YouView developing voice controlled TV experience with Amazon Alexa

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  • Simon12Simon12 Posts: 390Member
    edited 12 June 2017
    Simon12 said:

    Btw, Amazon currently have the Dot for sub 45quid. Fill ur boots folks.

    Hold on a sec redchiz, where in the article does it say they are locked into a partnership/sole-supplier set with Amazon? There's nothing to stop Google, or Apple, or anyone else providing the necessary hooks to make this work for them. After all we have an iPhone app, and an android app. This is a pilot at this point. I think you are reading too much between the lines of the blurb.
  • redchizredchiz Posts: 4,278Member ✭✭✭
    edited 12 June 2017
    Simon12 said:

    Btw, Amazon currently have the Dot for sub 45quid. Fill ur boots folks.

    Um, have a read of the topic title again.
  • Simon12Simon12 Posts: 390Member
    edited 12 June 2017
    Simon12 said:

    Btw, Amazon currently have the Dot for sub 45quid. Fill ur boots folks.

    Come on redchiz, It's a pilot with the Echo units, You're talking about sole tie ups and narrow Dev paths. Read ur own posts. There's nothing in the article to indicate what you're posting.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,272Member ✭✭✭
    edited 12 June 2017
    Simon12 said:

    Btw, Amazon currently have the Dot for sub 45quid. Fill ur boots folks.

    redchiz, YouViews foundation as a platform is all about tie-ups and is the core of its existence. Its what they do.
  • redchizredchiz Posts: 4,278Member ✭✭✭
    edited 12 June 2017
    OK, I have been bullied into submission for expressing an opinion, have it your own way, I have had it with this particular "debate."
  • mike_taylormike_taylor Posts: 11Member
    edited 13 June 2017
    Simon as a 72 year old i have no trouble using a remote control .
    People of my age would rather use a remote than talk to a loudspeaker.
    Youview work on nextgen not this stupid idea.
  • jimbjimb Posts: 799Member ✭✭
    edited 13 June 2017
    Surely if this development is part of a deal which includes bringing Amazon Prime Video to YouView then this has to be "a good thing".
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,272Member ✭✭✭
    edited 13 June 2017

    Simon as a 72 year old i have no trouble using a remote control .
    People of my age would rather use a remote than talk to a loudspeaker.
    Youview work on nextgen not this stupid idea.

    I know a 24 year old who does. See the point?
    BTW, this is a separate future release from developing NextGen and so won't slow any of it. :)
  • RoyRoy Posts: 12,962Member ✭✭✭
    edited 12 June 2017
    Darren2 said:

    This is good news as I have been using the Amazon Echo(Alexa) since 3 weeks after it first came out last November.

    Everything on a network goes via the router, in the ordinary course of business. The Dot sends its packet for the YouView box to the router by wifi, and the router sends it on down the wire to the YouView box.

    Think of a wifi link as a virtual wire.
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  • RoyRoy Posts: 12,962Member ✭✭✭
    edited 12 June 2017
    Simon12 said:

    Btw, Amazon currently have the Dot for sub 45quid. Fill ur boots folks.

    This seems to be something redchiz has a bee in his bonnet about.

    Which is wildly unfair on wasps and hornets, to say nothing of fedoras and trilbys :-)
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  • RoyRoy Posts: 12,962Member ✭✭✭
    edited 12 June 2017

    Simon as a 72 year old i have no trouble using a remote control .
    People of my age would rather use a remote than talk to a loudspeaker.
    Youview work on nextgen not this stupid idea.

    I can see certain difficulties in talking to a loudspeaker :-)
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  • Simon12Simon12 Posts: 390Member
    edited 12 June 2017

    Simon as a 72 year old i have no trouble using a remote control .
    People of my age would rather use a remote than talk to a loudspeaker.
    Youview work on nextgen not this stupid idea.

    What Visionman said. Lock, stock & 2 smoking. I'm not saying all pensioners will prefer voice over buttons Mike, but some will. As a parent of a severely physically disabled son it's a huge thumbs up from me.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,272Member ✭✭✭
    edited 12 June 2017

    Simon as a 72 year old i have no trouble using a remote control .
    People of my age would rather use a remote than talk to a loudspeaker.
    Youview work on nextgen not this stupid idea.

    Do you have certain objections to this development, Roy? 
  • RoyRoy Posts: 12,962Member ✭✭✭
    edited 12 June 2017

    Simon as a 72 year old i have no trouble using a remote control .
    People of my age would rather use a remote than talk to a loudspeaker.
    Youview work on nextgen not this stupid idea.

    None at all, I welcome it wholeheartedly.

    Is your question based on my comment about talking to a loudspeaker?

    If so, think about it....... :-)
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful or believe to be beautiful’ - William Morris
  • Simon12Simon12 Posts: 390Member
    edited 13 June 2017

    Simon as a 72 year old i have no trouble using a remote control .
    People of my age would rather use a remote than talk to a loudspeaker.
    Youview work on nextgen not this stupid idea.

    It listens quite well for a loudspeaker ;)
  • Matthew JohnsMatthew Johns Posts: 98Member
    edited 13 June 2017

    Foreseeable issues:
    Alexa, please:
    1) List the most recent things I've recorded
    2) Jump fifteen minutes forward in this programme
    3) Delete the oldest episode of this series
    4) Record the next episodes of 'Allo 'allo, Doctor Who and Twirlywoos

    I've no trouble with getting dictation machine. It's just  very different from nailing a tuner and hard drive to a system designed for shopping, updates and music. Often in such cases the user ends up having to do more thinking and work in order to compensate for the interface (not a comment on Net-gen). E.g. by knowing that Doctor will be abbreviated to Dr; 'Allo amended to Hello, and Twirlyboo to Twerp Lee Boo.
    Any such interface has to consider what users may wish to do in advance and knows that things like "Not the nine o'clock news" is a programme rather than an instruction to not record the nine o'clock news. That's a lot of front end work that's not within Youview's power to alter and I don't see Amazon being interested in doing for them.
  • Michael GMichael G Posts: 876Member
    edited 13 June 2017

    Simon as a 72 year old i have no trouble using a remote control .
    People of my age would rather use a remote than talk to a loudspeaker.
    Youview work on nextgen not this stupid idea.

    I'm 68 this year and use voice search/control daily, on my phone and in the car. That works. I've got a basic voice capability on my TV smart remote - used it once, haven't bothered since.

    What I object to is the link to one particular ecosystem which is marketed aggressively by its seller.

    And as to "listening well" - compared to the competition, it doesn't.



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  • Simon12Simon12 Posts: 390Member
    edited 29 July 2017

    Simon as a 72 year old i have no trouble using a remote control .
    People of my age would rather use a remote than talk to a loudspeaker.
    Youview work on nextgen not this stupid idea.

    That was already discussed in previous posts 4 days ago.
  • RoyRoy Posts: 12,962Member ✭✭✭
    edited 13 June 2017

    Simon as a 72 year old i have no trouble using a remote control .
    People of my age would rather use a remote than talk to a loudspeaker.
    Youview work on nextgen not this stupid idea.

    We control our Echo Dots from the Alexa app on our iPads, and from there we can see what Alexa is making of what we say.

    Her voice recognition is remarkably good; her ability to respond to what she correctly hears, not always so.

    I do not think the above graphs make that important distinction,
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  • Simon12Simon12 Posts: 390Member
    edited 13 June 2017

    Simon as a 72 year old i have no trouble using a remote control .
    People of my age would rather use a remote than talk to a loudspeaker.
    Youview work on nextgen not this stupid idea.

    I would concur with that Roy. Similar experience from the Dot and Echo we have, when you check the logged 'conversation' via our Android app.
  • scottscott Posts: 1,614Member ✭✭
    edited 13 June 2017

    Simon as a 72 year old i have no trouble using a remote control .
    People of my age would rather use a remote than talk to a loudspeaker.
    Youview work on nextgen not this stupid idea.

    I was going to say the same as Roy but then when I looked at the graph it does seem to show that distinction.

    It seems to show what it does recognise and answer is usually correct (87% answered rightly) but it says only 20.7% is recognised, that is opposite to what I have found, more like 80% recognised but a bit less than that giving me the answer (or action) I actually want. I put a lot of that down to Bing as opposed to Google (I see the same results when I search using a PC).

    Maybe one likes the American accent (or dollar) more than the other ;-)

    Or do we read that it gives absolutely no record of what words or phrases are actually recognised and purely only on answers to questions. I wonder what the questions were? (maybe the only question was how much capital does Goggle have for sponsorship ;-))

  • RoyRoy Posts: 12,962Member ✭✭✭
    edited 13 June 2017

    Simon as a 72 year old i have no trouble using a remote control .
    People of my age would rather use a remote than talk to a loudspeaker.
    Youview work on nextgen not this stupid idea.

    All voices assistants have a lot less trouble with my wife's GPO-telephonist-trained English voice than with my home-grown near-RP :-)
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful or believe to be beautiful’ - William Morris
  • mike_taylormike_taylor Posts: 11Member
    edited 14 June 2017
    i expect you guy's will want youview to add this https://www.apple.com/uk/homepod/ to the software next, price expected to be around £350.
  • Simon12Simon12 Posts: 390Member
    edited 14 June 2017

    i expect you guy's will want youview to add this https://www.apple.com/uk/homepod/ to the software next, price expected to be around £350.

    Nope, but I'm happy for it to support something at 1/7th of the price, or less.
  • jimbjimb Posts: 799Member ✭✭
    edited 20 June 2017
    Here's a discussion from the RNIB's Connect radio service.
    A bit long but it raises some interesting issues.
    Starts at 43.48
    https://audioboom.com/posts/6033378-e...
  • Matthew JohnsMatthew Johns Posts: 98Member
    edited 22 August 2017
    Just to say that I've now received an email from Humax saying that Youview Alexa support is "coming soon". Given the IT world I interpret this as meaning "before the heat death of the universe" but it's an indication of forthcoming developments.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,272Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 August 2017
    Just a personal interpretation, but where YouView is concerned I've always interpreted "coming soon" as meaning anytime in the next 6 to 12 mths, depending on development.
    Apparently Sky Qs Voice is very good, but no one likes using the touch remote in which its housed.
    Sony Bravia's is very good as well, but as with Q, users again find the touch remote difficult to use.
  • jimbjimb Posts: 799Member ✭✭
    edited 20 September 2017
    For those of us who might have thought that the Alexa stuff had been put on the back burner, you might be encouraged by a comment in another thread:
    (this is for the upcoming voice control to be able to work)
    https://community.youview.com/youview/topics/-technical-documentation-for-xmpp-interface?topic-reply...
  • RoyRoy Posts: 12,962Member ✭✭✭
    edited 5 September 2017
    jimb said:

    For those of us who might have thought that the Alexa stuff had been put on the back burner, you might be encouraged by a comment in another thread:

    (this is for the upcoming voice control to be able to work)
    https://community.youview.com/youview/topics/-technical-documentation-for-xmpp-interface?topic-reply...I never thought that for a minute :-)
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful or believe to be beautiful’ - William Morris
  • DarrenDarren Posts: 177Member
    edited 20 September 2017
    jimb said:

    For those of us who might have thought that the Alexa stuff had been put on the back burner, you might be encouraged by a comment in another thread:

    (this is for the upcoming voice control to be able to work)
    https://community.youview.com/youview/topics/-technical-documentation-for-xmpp-interface?topic-reply...I'm looking forward to when I can use the My Echo with my G4 Youview box.

    Darren
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