Add DLNA functionality

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  • John WatkinsJohn Watkins Member Posts: 3
    edited 23 July 2013, 12:00AM
    The Meek said:

    If you want DLNA it's best to forget YV and switch to a Synology NAS (other makes available) with DVBlink installed.

    My RS812+ with 12TB & PCTV 290e DVB-T2 tuners works great and all over WiFi to every smart TV.

    ...and no DRM on recordings!

    You know what I mean... The TV is the display, the smart bit is in the add-on box (be it a YV box, Sky box, etc).
  • churchwardenchurchwarden Member Posts: 795
    edited 2 December 2016, 7:27PM
    The Meek said:

    If you want DLNA it's best to forget YV and switch to a Synology NAS (other makes available) with DVBlink installed.

    My RS812+ with 12TB & PCTV 290e DVB-T2 tuners works great and all over WiFi to every smart TV.

    ...and no DRM on recordings!

    Actually I have a smart TV which is smart on its own - has all the players - iplayer, 4OD, etc. plays games, downloads apps, and would record programmes if I connected it to a hard drive/usb stick. And it has its own guide, and is internet connected. Don't need another box to make my TV smart......
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,591 ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 7:38AM
    The Meek said:

    If you want DLNA it's best to forget YV and switch to a Synology NAS (other makes available) with DVBlink installed.

    My RS812+ with 12TB & PCTV 290e DVB-T2 tuners works great and all over WiFi to every smart TV.

    ...and no DRM on recordings!

    Yes, the only thing the YouView box has over a Smart TV is the backwards EPG and a second tuner. No Apps, can't get Internet radio, no DLNA, no iThingy remote, can't copy to a USB stick, can't read off a USB stick, not a blind bit of use outside the UK... All of which all our Smart TVs have covered.

    As son as any TV comes out with a backwards EPG, the YouView box is going to look like an overpriced and underspecified PVR. For us retail customers, anyway. I just hope I get my money's worth by then.
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • churchwardenchurchwarden Member Posts: 795
    edited 2 December 2016, 7:27PM
    The Meek said:

    If you want DLNA it's best to forget YV and switch to a Synology NAS (other makes available) with DVBlink installed.

    My RS812+ with 12TB & PCTV 290e DVB-T2 tuners works great and all over WiFi to every smart TV.

    ...and no DRM on recordings!

    A smart TV with YouView included ..... now that would be nice.......
  • petkolpetkol Member Posts: 213
    edited 14 April 2017, 5:24PM
    I think smart TVs are good for some people, but i fear for how quickly their built in operating systems and software applications will fall behind what is seen as current technology.

    As I see it the addition of these 'smart' features to TVs is an attempt by the TV manufacturers to differentiate their products from what has become a commodity market (flat panel screens). The increased price of the smart sets provide them with some much needed margin in a market that is so competitive and over supplied that there is little or no money left in panels without these features.

    However there will be little incentive for the same TV manufacturers to maintain the software and issue updates into the future - they would far rather sell you a new TV with the this year's latest smart features.

    My own preference is for a TV or panel to be as dumb as possible - just excellent at producing a picture. For larger sets, I think that's all they should do. Any tuners, or content players and sound systems are best kept separate. That's pretty much how plasma screens were sold when they first appeared. For smaller sets I think it's desirable but not essential for a built in tuner and some passable amplification / speakers.

    So, trying to get back on topic, I think DLNA, or some other means of being able to play externally stored content would be highly desirable for a smart box such as Youview. I think there are few smart TVs which have been updated as regularly as the Youview box, and the plans seem to be to keep on updating.

    So in addition to sorting out the issues we all know about, Youview should be encouraged to provide some more reasons to ditch other boxes and use theirs.
  • The MeekThe Meek Member Posts: 251
    edited 23 July 2013, 9:13AM
    petkol said:

    I think smart TVs are good for some people, but i fear for how quickly their built in operating systems and software applications will fall behind what is seen as current technology.

    As I see it the addition of these 'smart' features to TVs is an attempt by the TV manufacturers to differentiate their products from what has become a commodity market (flat panel screens). The increased price of the smart sets provide them with some much needed margin in a market that is so competitive and over supplied that there is little or no money left in panels without these features.

    However there will be little incentive for the same TV manufacturers to maintain the software and issue updates into the future - they would far rather sell you a new TV with the this year's latest smart features.

    My own preference is for a TV or panel to be as dumb as possible - just excellent at producing a picture. For larger sets, I think that's all they should do. Any tuners, or content players and sound systems are best kept separate. That's pretty much how plasma screens were sold when they first appeared. For smaller sets I think it's desirable but not essential for a built in tuner and some passable amplification / speakers.

    So, trying to get back on topic, I think DLNA, or some other means of being able to play externally stored content would be highly desirable for a smart box such as Youview. I think there are few smart TVs which have been updated as regularly as the Youview box, and the plans seem to be to keep on updating.

    So in addition to sorting out the issues we all know about, Youview should be encouraged to provide some more reasons to ditch other boxes and use theirs.

    Agree, that's the beauty of a smart NAS plus all content can be accessed from any TV in the home or for that matter any other device including over the Internet (connection bandwidth allowing)... and content is stored on redundant media (RAID 5 HDDs etc.).

    And of course the NAS can be upgraded without the need to replace displays with speakers (smart TVs).
  • The MeekThe Meek Member Posts: 251
    edited 23 July 2013, 9:15AM
    petkol said:

    I think smart TVs are good for some people, but i fear for how quickly their built in operating systems and software applications will fall behind what is seen as current technology.

    As I see it the addition of these 'smart' features to TVs is an attempt by the TV manufacturers to differentiate their products from what has become a commodity market (flat panel screens). The increased price of the smart sets provide them with some much needed margin in a market that is so competitive and over supplied that there is little or no money left in panels without these features.

    However there will be little incentive for the same TV manufacturers to maintain the software and issue updates into the future - they would far rather sell you a new TV with the this year's latest smart features.

    My own preference is for a TV or panel to be as dumb as possible - just excellent at producing a picture. For larger sets, I think that's all they should do. Any tuners, or content players and sound systems are best kept separate. That's pretty much how plasma screens were sold when they first appeared. For smaller sets I think it's desirable but not essential for a built in tuner and some passable amplification / speakers.

    So, trying to get back on topic, I think DLNA, or some other means of being able to play externally stored content would be highly desirable for a smart box such as Youview. I think there are few smart TVs which have been updated as regularly as the Youview box, and the plans seem to be to keep on updating.

    So in addition to sorting out the issues we all know about, Youview should be encouraged to provide some more reasons to ditch other boxes and use theirs.

    ... and can be located in a central location keeping heat, spaghetti, HDD and fan noise in a cupboard/attached garage etc.
  • The MeekThe Meek Member Posts: 251
    edited 23 July 2013, 9:19AM
    The problem with STBs is that they must use HDMI for content protection license (Freeview & Freesat logo's to be used).

    HDMI is comparatively expensive and complex to distribute compared to DLNA.
  • sam1sam1 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭
    edited 14 April 2017, 5:24PM
    I think there are few smart TVs which have been updated as regularly as the Youview box, and the plans seem to be to keep on updating
    I seem to have had about as many TV updates as YouView updates. And new apps are frequently added. Though since the most popular ones such as Netflix, Lovefilm, Blinkbox etc are already there, the ones that appear nowadays aren't that useful. Whereas the only thing that's been added to YouView for a long time is the porn player.
  • petkolpetkol Member Posts: 213
    edited 17 December 2015, 1:32PM
    sam1 said:

    I think there are few smart TVs which have been updated as regularly as the Youview box, and the plans seem to be to keep on updating
    I seem to have had about as many TV updates as YouView updates. And new apps are frequently added. Though since the most popular ones such as Netflix, Lovefilm, Blinkbox etc are already there, the ones that appear nowadays aren't that useful. Whereas the only thing that's been added to YouView for a long time is the porn player.Hi Sam - what make of TV is that? Be interested to know how often the operating software gets updated and what commitments / plans there are for the future.

    Happy to be corrected though - Perhaps I should have written that 'it's my impression that...' rather than 'I think that' as I don't have personal experience of all the Smart TVs on sale. .
  • The MeekThe Meek Member Posts: 251
    edited 23 July 2013, 9:46AM
    sam1 said:

    I think there are few smart TVs which have been updated as regularly as the Youview box, and the plans seem to be to keep on updating
    I seem to have had about as many TV updates as YouView updates. And new apps are frequently added. Though since the most popular ones such as Netflix, Lovefilm, Blinkbox etc are already there, the ones that appear nowadays aren't that useful. Whereas the only thing that's been added to YouView for a long time is the porn player.Over The Air updates for all UK devices can be found here;
    http://www.dtg.org.uk/industry/downlo...

    As with all consumer hardware, when the platform goes out of production software/firmware updates stop!
  • The MeekThe Meek Member Posts: 251
    edited 23 July 2013, 9:53AM
    petkol said:

    I think smart TVs are good for some people, but i fear for how quickly their built in operating systems and software applications will fall behind what is seen as current technology.

    As I see it the addition of these 'smart' features to TVs is an attempt by the TV manufacturers to differentiate their products from what has become a commodity market (flat panel screens). The increased price of the smart sets provide them with some much needed margin in a market that is so competitive and over supplied that there is little or no money left in panels without these features.

    However there will be little incentive for the same TV manufacturers to maintain the software and issue updates into the future - they would far rather sell you a new TV with the this year's latest smart features.

    My own preference is for a TV or panel to be as dumb as possible - just excellent at producing a picture. For larger sets, I think that's all they should do. Any tuners, or content players and sound systems are best kept separate. That's pretty much how plasma screens were sold when they first appeared. For smaller sets I think it's desirable but not essential for a built in tuner and some passable amplification / speakers.

    So, trying to get back on topic, I think DLNA, or some other means of being able to play externally stored content would be highly desirable for a smart box such as Youview. I think there are few smart TVs which have been updated as regularly as the Youview box, and the plans seem to be to keep on updating.

    So in addition to sorting out the issues we all know about, Youview should be encouraged to provide some more reasons to ditch other boxes and use theirs.

    For those with a NAS;

    A TV with just a DLNA client without Internet access is really all that is needed.

    For some, OTT players (iPlayer, 4oD etc.) also included are of use.

    Our Smart TVs (Sony & Samsung) have a lot of clutter though with novelty features that are a lot easier to use on a tablet.
  • sam1sam1 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭
    edited 14 April 2017, 5:24PM
    Samsung. I haven't kept track, that's why I said "seem to". And I haven't looked into commitment, plans for the future, etc., as, unlike YouView, most of what I'm interested in is there in the present. :-)

    I doubt if there will be any major updates though. I'm not totally convinced there will be any major updates for YouView either, beyond the apps and the long-awaited IP functionality. Maybe I'm too pessimistic.
  • The MeekThe Meek Member Posts: 251
    edited 23 July 2013, 9:56AM
    sam1 said:

    I think there are few smart TVs which have been updated as regularly as the Youview box, and the plans seem to be to keep on updating
    I seem to have had about as many TV updates as YouView updates. And new apps are frequently added. Though since the most popular ones such as Netflix, Lovefilm, Blinkbox etc are already there, the ones that appear nowadays aren't that useful. Whereas the only thing that's been added to YouView for a long time is the porn player.With all the YV updates my VY boxes have had they still take a ridiculous time to boot... whereas my £30 Raspberry Pi takes 10 seconds!
  • The MeekThe Meek Member Posts: 251
    edited 23 July 2013, 9:59AM
    sam1 said:

    Samsung. I haven't kept track, that's why I said "seem to". And I haven't looked into commitment, plans for the future, etc., as, unlike YouView, most of what I'm interested in is there in the present. :-)

    I doubt if there will be any major updates though. I'm not totally convinced there will be any major updates for YouView either, beyond the apps and the long-awaited IP functionality. Maybe I'm too pessimistic.

    What I'm disjointed with is that there is no BBC Sport player on YV.

    I don't understand why the BBC has segregated this content from iPlayer... probably some misguided policy I guess. My Sony 55HX753 has BBC Sport player... whereas my 55HX723 does not!
  • sam1sam1 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭
    edited 25 September 2013, 9:47AM
    ...the only thing that's been added to YouView for a long time is the porn player.
    And lo, as if by magic, Dave appears. :-)
  • petkolpetkol Member Posts: 213
    edited 17 December 2015, 1:32PM
    sam1 said:

    Samsung. I haven't kept track, that's why I said "seem to". And I haven't looked into commitment, plans for the future, etc., as, unlike YouView, most of what I'm interested in is there in the present. :-)

    I doubt if there will be any major updates though. I'm not totally convinced there will be any major updates for YouView either, beyond the apps and the long-awaited IP functionality. Maybe I'm too pessimistic.

    Thanks Sam. At the moment I think it looks like the Youview box / platform is primarily a set top box for BT and Talk / Talk. Those service providers would be as keen to allow access to external content as SKY are with their boxes

    Retail sales are very low. So I think your view is probably correct. I think most of the updates will be to facilitate services for BT and Talk / Talk, and any other service providers who decide to base their TV service on Youview (e.g. Plusnet? who are owned by BT).

    It would be good if they sorted some of the basic PVR issues as well e.g. the slow startup, no manual recording overrides to comepensate for (in)accurate recording, allowing manual tuning overrides,.
  • sam1sam1 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭
    edited 25 September 2013, 9:47AM
    At the moment I think it looks like the Youview box / platform is primarily a set top box for BT and Talk / Talk. Those service providers would be as keen to allow access to external content as SKY are with their boxes
    I agree. I think that's the underlying problem with selling YouView as a consumer item. Maybe they should have just sold it as a service box, together with ISP package.
  • DavidBDavidB Member Posts: 69
    edited 23 July 2013, 2:14PM
    sam1 said:

    I think there are few smart TVs which have been updated as regularly as the Youview box, and the plans seem to be to keep on updating
    I seem to have had about as many TV updates as YouView updates. And new apps are frequently added. Though since the most popular ones such as Netflix, Lovefilm, Blinkbox etc are already there, the ones that appear nowadays aren't that useful. Whereas the only thing that's been added to YouView for a long time is the porn player.And Raspberry Pi only consumes less than 2 watts flat out!
  • petkolpetkol Member Posts: 213
    edited 17 December 2015, 1:32PM
    sam1 said:

    I think there are few smart TVs which have been updated as regularly as the Youview box, and the plans seem to be to keep on updating
    I seem to have had about as many TV updates as YouView updates. And new apps are frequently added. Though since the most popular ones such as Netflix, Lovefilm, Blinkbox etc are already there, the ones that appear nowadays aren't that useful. Whereas the only thing that's been added to YouView for a long time is the porn player.Don't think you're comparing like with like there - the Youview box has twin TV tuners, a hard disc,a display,and more interfaces. Add those as extras to a Raspberry pi and I think the power consumption when on would be comparable to the Youview box, or possibly higher.

    Nice to know it consumes relatively little power though, as I've heard they can be used as XBMC boxes.
  • edited 8 January 2015, 3:54PM
    sam1 said:

    I think there are few smart TVs which have been updated as regularly as the Youview box, and the plans seem to be to keep on updating
    I seem to have had about as many TV updates as YouView updates. And new apps are frequently added. Though since the most popular ones such as Netflix, Lovefilm, Blinkbox etc are already there, the ones that appear nowadays aren't that useful. Whereas the only thing that's been added to YouView for a long time is the porn player.Yes - a Raspberry Pi can make a great media centre.
  • Mark HarrisonMark Harrison Member Posts: 1
    edited 4 August 2013, 7:19PM
    The part of DLNA that I'm interested is having a DLNA rendered on the YouView box. YouView would have no copyright issues with that as their box is not the source of the media.
  • Richard LogueRichard Logue Member Posts: 1
    edited 8 January 2015, 3:54PM
    Having DLNA as a feature would increase the potential for the YouView box to be at the heart of a home entertainment system rather than just one component.
  • edited 8 January 2015, 3:54PM

    Having DLNA as a feature would increase the potential for the YouView box to be at the heart of a home entertainment system rather than just one component.

    Yes, this is part of what this thread dicusses...http://community.youview.com/youview/...
  • The MeekThe Meek Member Posts: 251
    edited 18 August 2013, 3:32PM
    I'm installing 4x CAT-6a to each point and want distributed playing of recordings. One can transmit HDMI through 2x cat-6a or single wire with HDbaseT. This costs up to £300 per TV though making YV uneconomical for this application compared with a NAS running DVBlink.

    YV running a DLNA server would make YV more attractive.
  • John17John17 Member Posts: 3
    edited 14 November 2013, 10:00AM
    Is there any update on this topic!!!
    I find it very frustrating. To look at my home photos, music, home videos etc. from our NAS drive (DNLA enabled) we have to unplug the network from the YouView Box to the TV and use a different remote control etc. Then move the plug back again to use YouView when we want to watch TV etc.
    Why is this not available directly in the YouView box?
    Such a waste of time and effort.
  • JamesBJamesB Member Posts: 841
    edited 31 March 2014, 10:11AM
    Are you using powerline adapers? You can get a switch quite cheaply - lets you keep both connected.

    Personally I use a dongle for the TV and PLAs for the YouView box.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,591 ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 9:48PM
    @John

    From your description, it sounds like your TV is Smart, in that it takes a network connection and does DLNA, but isn't on wifi?

    You can often get wifi dongles - at a price - which will save you the plugging/unplugging of the Ethernet cable.

    Or what I do, which is much cheaper, is to use a £10-£15 Ethernet switch, from Amazon or similar, to support both devices.

    The Ethernet cable from your router, or from your remote Powerline adaptor if that is what you are using, as I am, goes into the switch, and you will then need two more short Ethernet cables, from switch to YV box and switch to TV respectively.

    Scrabbling about in the box your router came in often reveals at least one spare Ethernet cable; but even if not, you should be able to bring the whole thing in under £20, if not indeed under £15.

    You can then use the Smart features of your TV at will, while waiting endlessly for YouView to implement DLNA, Netflix, Lovefilm, internet radio etc. - all the goodies your TV might provide and which YV doesn't at present, and may never do.

    It's not generally realised that Powerline adaptors are not just a one-to-one device, dedicated to that router-YV connection; they do in fact replicate an Ethernet cable, down which can flow data from multiple devices, and which can more than cope with the demands of YV box and TV simultaneously, just with the addition of a basic switch, as above.
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  • JamesBJamesB Member Posts: 841
    edited 6 March 2017, 9:48PM
    "... can more than cope with the demands of YV box and TV simultaneously, just with the addition of a basic switch, as above."

    I deleted part of my post due to uncertainty about this. So one could for instance stream a silent film from the YouView iPlayer, while simultaneously streaming a soundtrack of one's choice from NAS to the TV's DLNA client? In theory at least? (not sure my tv would let me do this)
  • John17John17 Member Posts: 3
    edited 14 November 2013, 10:59AM
    Thanks for the suggestions. I think I will not wait for YouView and will buy a network switch and give it a try.
    A TP-Link TL-SF1005D 5-Port 10/100Mbps Desktop Switch is only £6.
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