Prompted by Martin's 5 month old post I've just had a look at the YouView specs publication, which includes the statement...
"Integrated wireless Ethernet is optional. If not provided, the device must support the use of USB Wifi adapters."
Does it actually do this? .
I think, once again, folk are getting confused as to the purpose of the YouView spec.
It is not to tell us, the users, what we will get, or what is enabled for our use.
It is to tell the box manufacturers what the box itself must have - e.g. USB ports and the ability to use WiFi. This is so YouView can implement these features at a later date, should they see fit to. If the box makers weren't specified to include these features, then the YouView coders wouldn't have the option.
The spec is for people like Humax and Huawei, not for folk like you or I.
Prompted by Martin's 5 month old post I've just had a look at the YouView specs publication, which includes the statement...
"Integrated wireless Ethernet is optional. If not provided, the device must support the use of USB Wifi adapters."
Does it actually do this? .
Well said, Chris_M.
And I can well understand why WiFi might be low on the list. Samsung have tried to implement WiFi with their dongle but it doesn't necessarily work, as there are so many factors outside the control of Samsung. I imagine it would be just the same for any YouView dongle, and then they'd get stick for that.
Prompted by Martin's 5 month old post I've just had a look at the YouView specs publication, which includes the statement...
"Integrated wireless Ethernet is optional. If not provided, the device must support the use of USB Wifi adapters."
Does it actually do this? .
Sorry that is just nonsense. If a device does not conform to their base specification, repeat BASE specification, how can Youview authorise the use of their logo and indeed market the Humax as a "Youview" box?
If the software meant that the boxes were unable to receive DVB-T/T2 or record at launch, Youview could use the same logic to argue that they could implement reception or recording "at a later date". Humax actually market a dongle for their Fox T2 series so they have already got the appropriate Linux drivers.
Prompted by Martin's 5 month old post I've just had a look at the YouView specs publication, which includes the statement...
"Integrated wireless Ethernet is optional. If not provided, the device must support the use of USB Wifi adapters."
Does it actually do this? .
Because there would be no Youview boxes if they did that. They obviously had to cut a few corners to get YouView out to market. The Humax dongle is for a Humax box with Humax software. There is no guarantee that it will work on a Humax box with YouView software.
Prompted by Martin's 5 month old post I've just had a look at the YouView specs publication, which includes the statement...
"Integrated wireless Ethernet is optional. If not provided, the device must support the use of USB Wifi adapters."
Does it actually do this? .
I like WiFi, and make great use of it. I use WiFi for my tablet, my phone, and - believe it or not - I even have a WiFi BBQ temperature monitor.
However, based on previous experience with streaming HD video, I had already gone the powerline route - I found WiFi too unreliable for this.
Your mileage may vary, but considering this is a consumer market product, rather than a geek toy, I think YouView would have been in for a drubbing to nothing had they launched it as a WiFi connectable device. It would have worked in some cases, but not in others, due to circumstances beyond their control.
Can YouView enable the USB ports so that they can play media stored on them (using the open source multimedia player VideoLAN for example). This would make the machine a one-stop shop for all media and would help non-technical users like my dad view family videos and slideshows
Can YouView enable the USB ports so that they can play media stored on them (using the open source multimedia player VideoLAN for example). This would make the machine a one-stop shop for all media and would help non-technical users like my dad view family videos and slideshows
I think this has been asked for previously but never the less its a good point and one i would vote for, especially as i have a pc in an other room with pictures and family videos, so for those more techy it would also be great to access these over the network rather than having a media player sitting alongside the YouView box.
With a name like YouView you would kind of expect it really wouldnt you!!
Can YouView enable the USB ports so that they can play media stored on them (using the open source multimedia player VideoLAN for example). This would make the machine a one-stop shop for all media and would help non-technical users like my dad view family videos and slideshows
I bought this box based on the functionality of the HDR-Fox T2 The hacked firmware on the T2 is a must have. I would willingly forgo any YouView connectivity to have a box that operates like a quicker hacked T2, especially if I could use my old T2 remote with it. It would be nice if declining the YouView agreement, switched to a Humax firmware?
You can - reset the control codes to 1 and the T2 remote can be used as all Humaxes share the same control code sets. Some functions on the T1000 remote are deactivated when used for controlling TVs - very notably the "change input" button.
Prompted by Martin's 5 month old post I've just had a look at the YouView specs publication, which includes the statement...
"Integrated wireless Ethernet is optional. If not provided, the device must support the use of USB Wifi adapters."
Does it actually do this? .
Aye Chris_M, I was also a little suprised about the lack of WiFi but powerline adapters seem to be doing the job well (totally agree about the streaming reliability comment - may have been the reason behind dropping WiFi).
Can YouView enable the USB ports so that they can play media stored on them (using the open source multimedia player VideoLAN for example). This would make the machine a one-stop shop for all media and would help non-technical users like my dad view family videos and slideshows
+1, even though accessing YV from the local network and uploading data to it directly would be even greater!
I bought the Humax DTR-1010 box assuming it would be the same as the Humax box my dad has, just with a few extra features. I am really disappointed with the lack of both DLNA and USB playback support. Had I known this, I wouldn't have bothered buying the Youview box and would have just got the standard Humax PVR.
Is there any chance of these features being supported / activated in a future software update?
Iain, I sympathise, but I used to have the Humax PVR and IMHO it is not as good as YV. Both have a distressingly large number of, ahem, issues. I took the old humax PVR back to the shop and got a refund. My YV box is only marginally better and the main thing that stops me taking it back as well is that I got it free because I was trialing it.
As a trialist I said right the beginning about DLNA and USB and a host of other things. I reckon they are never going to be done. There are more fundamental problems to sort out and I think they need to take priority over enhancements.
I wish I would have read these reviews before buying my youview boxes I've brought 2 at a cost of well over 300 pound issues no USB support the box freesss rubbish signal quality it's not my reception hd channels make buzzing noise both boxes ain't very fast 2 years in the making what the hell was you doing with all that time
also no undelete function the boxes are noisy the lead on box is not very long as awquard to reach sockets machine random reboots itself sometimes can think of alot more were your going wrong the box is very sexy that's why I brought the humax ones but wish I brought humax own brand wasn't aware as tv adds just kept on saying youview so I thought this one the latest and greatest but unfortunately it's still far behind the rest in terms of other competitors no lovefilm no Netflix no USB support would love to have a hardrive connected to watch my films from it hope all this comes soon or will have to sell both boxes and get humax own brand now I know they do sell a freeview box thought they only did freesat and this new box oh well ya learn by ya mistakes I suppose please catch up youview all your in the lead with is tv on demand and yourl loose that battle soon
I wish I would have read these reviews before buying my youview boxes I've brought 2 at a cost of well over 300 pound issues no USB support the box freesss rubbish signal quality it's not my reception hd channels make buzzing noise both boxes ain't very fast 2 years in the making what the hell was you doing with all that time
The box is not advertised as having USB support, so research would have been a good idea. No problems with signal or buzzing for me, so I would suggest starting a new thread with your issues listed and you may get some help solving them.
I wish I would have read these reviews before buying my youview boxes I've brought 2 at a cost of well over 300 pound issues no USB support the box freesss rubbish signal quality it's not my reception hd channels make buzzing noise both boxes ain't very fast 2 years in the making what the hell was you doing with all that time
While USB support is "not advertised", both boxes have a large logo stating "Youview". The "Core Technical Specification" (page 11, 2.4 "Peripheral Devices" includes 2 "required" functions -
Support for USB mass storage devices - "For presentation of content from USB drives. No requirement to export content."
Support for USB human interface devices - "Required for accessibility applications."
In addition "Support for USB wireless Ethernet adapter" is "Required for domestic connectivity if the IEEE 802.11n standard is not supported internally."
None of these are currently available so these boxes falsely claim to be "Youview" boxes. No doubt at some stage they may well be capable of claiming this after further software development or perhaps You-view has secretly changed the 2011 Core Specifications. So rather than using the excuse of "not advertised" perhaps Humax, BT and TalkTalk should come clean and state very clearly that certain core features are still under development.
Under UK law it's illegal to retain recordings, the law allows you to record solely for timeshifting purpose - watching once at a more convenient time. Storing it for long-term viewing ins't permitted.
Given YouView is backed by broadcasters It's perhaps unlikely that a feature which breaks their legal protection against unauthorised copies would be added.
Utter claptrap as has I believe been pointed out to you several times. Please quote the law you are referring to if you wish to continue with this claim.
Under UK law it's illegal to retain recordings, the law allows you to record solely for timeshifting purpose - watching once at a more convenient time. Storing it for long-term viewing ins't permitted.
Given YouView is backed by broadcasters It's perhaps unlikely that a feature which breaks their legal protection against unauthorised copies would be added.
I agree with Peter. If Martin was right my PC, my tape video recorder snd my DVD videorecorder would not have been allowed onto thr market as a retain long term recordings from them all.
Under UK law it's illegal to retain recordings, the law allows you to record solely for timeshifting purpose - watching once at a more convenient time. Storing it for long-term viewing ins't permitted.
Given YouView is backed by broadcasters It's perhaps unlikely that a feature which breaks their legal protection against unauthorised copies would be added.
Yes, what 'law', Martin?
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I wish I would have read these reviews before buying my youview boxes I've brought 2 at a cost of well over 300 pound issues no USB support the box freesss rubbish signal quality it's not my reception hd channels make buzzing noise both boxes ain't very fast 2 years in the making what the hell was you doing with all that time
>> None of these are currently available so these boxes falsely claim to be "Youview" boxes.
Not at all. It's for YouView to determine which boxes they allow to use their name and software stack. No falsity involved.
The OP you're replying to made an assumption, when he found his assumption was wrong he could have taken the box back for a refund.
I wish I would have read these reviews before buying my youview boxes I've brought 2 at a cost of well over 300 pound issues no USB support the box freesss rubbish signal quality it's not my reception hd channels make buzzing noise both boxes ain't very fast 2 years in the making what the hell was you doing with all that time
He could not have "taken the box back" to the store as a wrong assumption by a consumer is not a cause for a refund under the Sale of Goods Acts. If he had purchased it by mail order or over the web, he could have returned it under the Distance Selling Regulations for any reason but would have had to have done so within a week.
I am afraid YouView cannot publish a base specification and retailers (with who the buyer has the contract, not YouView, not Huawei and not Humax unless purchased from their "direct" web site) cannot then claim that a box meets these specifications, whether YouView has authorised the maker to slap on their sticker or not. A reasonable person would assume that these boxes meet the base specification - in the same way you might expect a basic specification Mini car to have four wheels. Would you expect to buy a TV, find that it did not display a picture and be told by the maker that they would be issuing a software update including the missing panel driver at some unspecified time in the future? In view of this, a buyer may well be able to claim a refund from the retailer on the basis that the box is "unfit for purpose" under the SoGA.
This is of course based on English law and some of these might not apply in Scotland or Northern Ireland.
also no undelete function the boxes are noisy the lead on box is not very long as awquard to reach sockets machine random reboots itself sometimes can think of alot more were your going wrong the box is very sexy that's why I brought the humax ones but wish I brought humax own brand wasn't aware as tv adds just kept on saying youview so I thought this one the latest and greatest but unfortunately it's still far behind the rest in terms of other competitors no lovefilm no Netflix no USB support would love to have a hardrive connected to watch my films from it hope all this comes soon or will have to sell both boxes and get humax own brand now I know they do sell a freeview box thought they only did freesat and this new box oh well ya learn by ya mistakes I suppose please catch up youview all your in the lead with is tv on demand and yourl loose that battle soon
If your Humax YouView box is noisy (typically a grinding or squeeking like sound), return it to the retailer for an refund or exchange with a new consumer packed model. Do not entertain a warranty claim via Humax. As I point out elsewhere, your sale contract is with the retailer, not Humax. These boxes should be relatively silent and these sorts of noises from the hard drive (the only mechanical moving parts) tend to go ahead of the drives crashing. Loads of their < free time > boxes are apparently suffering from this and I suspect my first YouView box had a dodgy drive which caused its crash, recover and wiping of recordings.
Under UK law it's illegal to retain recordings, the law allows you to record solely for timeshifting purpose - watching once at a more convenient time. Storing it for long-term viewing ins't permitted.
Given YouView is backed by broadcasters It's perhaps unlikely that a feature which breaks their legal protection against unauthorised copies would be added.
That would be the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, specifically section 70. Martin is 100% correct about this.
@Peter Wells - not quite the 'utter claptrap' that you thought?
@Rowland Sheard - Cars can be used for mass murder, should they not be allowed onto the market either? Just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean that you should do it (as I wrote that, I could swear it sounded like a quote from Star Trek).
I wish I would have read these reviews before buying my youview boxes I've brought 2 at a cost of well over 300 pound issues no USB support the box freesss rubbish signal quality it's not my reception hd channels make buzzing noise both boxes ain't very fast 2 years in the making what the hell was you doing with all that time
>> He could not have "taken the box back" to the store as a wrong assumption by a consumer is not a cause for a refund under the Sale of Goods Acts.
Depends, most shops have a more open returns policy. However it's nice to see that you agree people's wrongful assumptions aren't justified grounds for complaint.
>> I am afraid YouView cannot publish a base specification
They've never published the base specification to the general public and it forms no part of the retail contract offer. It's a reference document for device makers, not Point of Sale for consumers' use.
I wish I would have read these reviews before buying my youview boxes I've brought 2 at a cost of well over 300 pound issues no USB support the box freesss rubbish signal quality it's not my reception hd channels make buzzing noise both boxes ain't very fast 2 years in the making what the hell was you doing with all that time
Humax have not published any detailed specification on their web site or in the operating manuals. In that case, it is reasonable for a consumer to investigate what a "YouView" box is supposed to feature by reference to the specification published by YouView on their web site.
You will find that many stores will stick to their obligations under the SoGA which is why I quote them. One well known high street catalogue store - the one that is currently trying to upsell by offering a £25 or £35 HDMI lead at "half price" or a £9 SCART lead despite both being in the box - has this statement "Please note that this product is excluded from our 30 Day Money Back Guarantee. This does not affect your statutory rights."
I have just signed up to BT Broadband so except my YouView box shortly and it's been interesting to read all the comments about it, so thank you. In response to the legality issue Martin keeps banging on about, I have read the act and there is no mention of "once" and also the box allows you to keep recordings forever, it just doesn't allow you to export them via USB as it was not in the specification. I cite here Bob Monkhouse who was acquitted.
I have just signed up to BT Broadband so except my YouView box shortly and it's been interesting to read all the comments about it, so thank you. In response to the legality issue Martin keeps banging on about, I have read the act and there is no mention of "once" and also the box allows you to keep recordings forever, it just doesn't allow you to export them via USB as it was not in the specification. I cite here Bob Monkhouse who was acquitted.
>> In response to the legality issue Martin keeps banging on about,
Oi, where do you get off signing up to a forum and having a pop at someone you know nothing about?
I have just signed up to BT Broadband so except my YouView box shortly and it's been interesting to read all the comments about it, so thank you. In response to the legality issue Martin keeps banging on about, I have read the act and there is no mention of "once" and also the box allows you to keep recordings forever, it just doesn't allow you to export them via USB as it was not in the specification. I cite here Bob Monkhouse who was acquitted.
I know your name, so I do know something. I also know what your forum posts are about, in this thread. I am sorry but we can't all be in a priviledged position where we automatically know everyone that uses this forum, like you. I believe in freedom of speech. I looked at the act and there was no mention of the word "once." You have been mentioning it a lot, other people have noticed, I was just trying to put an end to the issue. With digital technology I am sure they could have put a system in place to automatically delete the recording once watched but they didn't. I was just offering my opinion. I am sorry you didn't like that fact but that's life. Are you in a bad mood today?
I have just signed up to BT Broadband so except my YouView box shortly and it's been interesting to read all the comments about it, so thank you. In response to the legality issue Martin keeps banging on about, I have read the act and there is no mention of "once" and also the box allows you to keep recordings forever, it just doesn't allow you to export them via USB as it was not in the specification. I cite here Bob Monkhouse who was acquitted.
Hi BeatleUK, regular users of this forum know that a reply like that from Martin doesn't mean he's in a bad mood at all, it's standard.
I have just signed up to BT Broadband so except my YouView box shortly and it's been interesting to read all the comments about it, so thank you. In response to the legality issue Martin keeps banging on about, I have read the act and there is no mention of "once" and also the box allows you to keep recordings forever, it just doesn't allow you to export them via USB as it was not in the specification. I cite here Bob Monkhouse who was acquitted.
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It is not to tell us, the users, what we will get, or what is enabled for our use.
It is to tell the box manufacturers what the box itself must have - e.g. USB ports and the ability to use WiFi. This is so YouView can implement these features at a later date, should they see fit to. If the box makers weren't specified to include these features, then the YouView coders wouldn't have the option.
The spec is for people like Humax and Huawei, not for folk like you or I.
And I can well understand why WiFi might be low on the list. Samsung have tried to implement WiFi with their dongle but it doesn't necessarily work, as there are so many factors outside the control of Samsung. I imagine it would be just the same for any YouView dongle, and then they'd get stick for that.
If the software meant that the boxes were unable to receive DVB-T/T2 or record at launch, Youview could use the same logic to argue that they could implement reception or recording "at a later date". Humax actually market a dongle for their Fox T2 series so they have already got the appropriate Linux drivers.
However, based on previous experience with streaming HD video, I had already gone the powerline route - I found WiFi too unreliable for this.
Your mileage may vary, but considering this is a consumer market product, rather than a geek toy, I think YouView would have been in for a drubbing to nothing had they launched it as a WiFi connectable device. It would have worked in some cases, but not in others, due to circumstances beyond their control.
With a name like YouView you would kind of expect it really wouldnt you!!
As a trialist I said right the beginning about DLNA and USB and a host of other things. I reckon they are never going to be done. There are more fundamental problems to sort out and I think they need to take priority over enhancements.
Support for USB mass storage devices - "For presentation of content from USB drives. No requirement to export content."
Support for USB human interface devices - "Required for accessibility applications."
In addition "Support for USB wireless Ethernet adapter" is "Required for domestic connectivity if the IEEE 802.11n standard is not supported internally."
None of these are currently available so these boxes falsely claim to be "Youview" boxes. No doubt at some stage they may well be capable of claiming this after further software development or perhaps You-view has secretly changed the 2011 Core Specifications. So rather than using the excuse of "not advertised" perhaps Humax, BT and TalkTalk should come clean and state very clearly that certain core features are still under development.
Not at all. It's for YouView to determine which boxes they allow to use their name and software stack. No falsity involved.
The OP you're replying to made an assumption, when he found his assumption was wrong he could have taken the box back for a refund.
I am afraid YouView cannot publish a base specification and retailers (with who the buyer has the contract, not YouView, not Huawei and not Humax unless purchased from their "direct" web site) cannot then claim that a box meets these specifications, whether YouView has authorised the maker to slap on their sticker or not. A reasonable person would assume that these boxes meet the base specification - in the same way you might expect a basic specification Mini car to have four wheels. Would you expect to buy a TV, find that it did not display a picture and be told by the maker that they would be issuing a software update including the missing panel driver at some unspecified time in the future? In view of this, a buyer may well be able to claim a refund from the retailer on the basis that the box is "unfit for purpose" under the SoGA.
This is of course based on English law and some of these might not apply in Scotland or Northern Ireland.
@Peter Wells - not quite the 'utter claptrap' that you thought?
@Rowland Sheard - Cars can be used for mass murder, should they not be allowed onto the market either? Just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean that you should do it (as I wrote that, I could swear it sounded like a quote from Star Trek).
Depends, most shops have a more open returns policy. However it's nice to see that you agree people's wrongful assumptions aren't justified grounds for complaint.
>> I am afraid YouView cannot publish a base specification
They've never published the base specification to the general public and it forms no part of the retail contract offer. It's a reference document for device makers, not Point of Sale for consumers' use.
You will find that many stores will stick to their obligations under the SoGA which is why I quote them. One well known high street catalogue store - the one that is currently trying to upsell by offering a £25 or £35 HDMI lead at "half price" or a £9 SCART lead despite both being in the box - has this statement "Please note that this product is excluded from our 30 Day Money Back Guarantee. This does not affect your statutory rights."
Oi, where do you get off signing up to a forum and having a pop at someone you know nothing about?