Funny that the Digital Stream PVR can do it then. They deal with copying issues by encoding the material such that it can only be played back on that or another DS, but from what you say, this doesn't deal with the copyright issue.
Which, if there was one, would require all PVRs to set a time limit on how long you could keep a recording, just like BBC iPlayer downloads on a PC.
And as this shows such a limit is perfectly technically feasible, how do you explain that no PVR does this?
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I'm sorry but everybody knows about copyright laws and everybody keeps recordings regardless, therefore it is irrelevent to this Forum to be constantly reminded about something that the majority of people ignore.
Martin it is not personal but it would be more useful if you answered people's problems without sounding like the solicitor general.
The feature would be really useful, but I don't see the broadcasters who co-own YouView allowing it to be added, and i explained why. Nothing to do with trying to sound like a solicitor, merely an expression of an opinion.
If the rampant and repeated rudeness, baiting and attempts to twist and blatantly lie about what I said aren't personal there must be some other reason that you today:
b) leapt on someone else called Martin, a poster making their very first post here, with a really rude and unhelpful response: http://community.youview.com/youview/...
You really do display all the signs of having a rather unhealthy obsession with me.
I'm sorry but everybody knows about copyright laws and everybody keeps recordings regardless, therefore it is irrelevent to this Forum to be constantly reminded about something that the majority of people ignore.
Martin it is not personal but it would be more useful if you answered people's problems without sounding like the solicitor general.
I was not being rude just querying why a question about a Freesat box was asked, and to be honest I didn't notice the OP's name.
Personally, I can't see why in connection with copyright law, apart from the impossibility of enforcing it in this context, USB storage is being defined as long term and the YouView box as not. We all know the the box can be a bit flaky but surely the legislators didn't when the relevant law was implemented.
Is there a schedule for the phased release? Mine was a new retail boxed replacement in early January and it still has not been updated - and will not manually. I know with earlier updates, the BT boxes were usually in a second tranche (presumably to allow further testing in case of clashes with the BT apps).
Also, in the copyright context, my Panasonic allows unlimited copying to DVD for a standard definition programme and only one copy for a HD programme. So Panasonic at least don't see any copyright issues in archiving per se.
Is there a schedule for the phased release? Mine was a new retail boxed replacement in early January and it still has not been updated - and will not manually. I know with earlier updates, the BT boxes were usually in a second tranche (presumably to allow further testing in case of clashes with the BT apps).
The announcements never say more than "over the next couple of weeks."
On a previous occasion I had to wait a number of days, I cannot recall exactly how many now. It is just question of being patient. There is nothing particularly mission-critical this time around.
Personally, I can't see why in connection with copyright law, apart from the impossibility of enforcing it in this context, USB storage is being defined as long term and the YouView box as not. We all know the the box can be a bit flaky but surely the legislators didn't when the relevant law was implemented.
At the risk of Andy again accusing me of thinking those wanting a feature I'd find useful and welcome are "evil" please allow me to elaborate on my earlier post.
Copyright law has a provision allowing recordings as follows:
"The making [F2 in domestic premises] for private and domestic use of a recording of a broadcast F3. . . solely for the purpose of enabling it to be viewed or listened to at a more convenient time does not infringe any copyright in the broadcast"
"This time-shifting exception does not however cover the making of recordings for placing in a collection for repeated viewing or listening. The making of a recording for purposes other than to time-shift a programme for your or your family is likely to be illegal."
Offloading content to a USB drive potentially allows for longterm storage and repeated use in the way a capacity limited set top box doesn't - if you want to keep recording on any PVR you need eventually to delete content.
But my earlier mention of copyright was merely in support of my personal views on why the four big content owners who happen to be shareholders of YouView might not allow outputting to USB.
Another is that content owners make money from selling adverts around initial and repeat showings of programmes and/or releasing them DVD and selling them to archive channels and streaming services such as netflix.
Therefore the YouVIew shareholders have a vested interest in not allowing any method for us users keeping recordings if doing so would limit their potential for future commercial exploitation of that content.
None of which means I wouldn't like the ability to offload my recordings, and indeed settings and series links, to a USB in case I ended up having to reset o return my box.
Also, in the copyright context, my Panasonic allows unlimited copying to DVD for a standard definition programme and only one copy for a HD programme. So Panasonic at least don't see any copyright issues in archiving per se.
Panasonic of course aren't content owners who are the forces who ultimately restrict what we do with media - such DRM - and where and when we access it - see the numerous complaints about certain content missing from the catch-up players.
As someone said above, it's about vested interests.
Why are Talktalk Users using a Huawai box still on 1.26. When your update release is 1.34 for Humax boxes. The update screen says software up-to-date. Has their been any move forward to enable boosts to be turned on and off from boxes.
You seem to be looking at the Component software details, rather than the Manufacturer ones. In any event, these are all different on the TalkTalk Huawei box, the illustration at the beginning of this thread relates to retail Humax boxes only.
Not sure what you mean about turning boosts on and off, this can already be done via your TalkTalk box.
>> As UK copyright law doesn't allow for longterm storage of recordings, and YouView is part-owned by 4 of the UK's biggest broadcasters and content owners who have a vested interested in not extending viewers' rights beyond what the law allows, my personal suspicion is this is a feature we're unlikely to see added.
Martin, I am sick of reading you banging on about UK copyright law. Exactly how lon is one allowed to keep a recording for? Also who gives a **** about Uk copyright law aqpart from you?
Why not make a copy of anything that u may want to keep.
You seem to be looking at the Component software details, rather than the Manufacturer ones. In any event, these are all different on the TalkTalk Huawei box, the illustration at the beginning of this thread relates to retail Humax boxes only.
Not sure what you mean about turning boosts on and off, this can already be done via your TalkTalk box.
It is my understanding that you can only turn a boost on and have to phone up to cancel it.
Sorry, not really concerned about the above. However, I have noticed that my Humax is going slower and slower; it seems to take an absolute age to do anything.
I delete recordings all the time, I like to keep it around the 70 per cent level, and it has never posed a problem in the past.
Sorry, not really concerned about the above. However, I have noticed that my Humax is going slower and slower; it seems to take an absolute age to do anything.
I delete recordings all the time, I like to keep it around the 70 per cent level, and it has never posed a problem in the past.
Any suggestions please.
Kind Regards Ursula
Have you tried resetting it by pressing the large button in the middle on the front of the box? I never delete anything (the box manages to do that when it needs to) and haven't noticed any difference in speed on my Humax box since the update so maybe yours just needs a proper reboot to sort it out. It's worth a try, anyway.
Sorry, not really concerned about the above. However, I have noticed that my Humax is going slower and slower; it seems to take an absolute age to do anything.
I delete recordings all the time, I like to keep it around the 70 per cent level, and it has never posed a problem in the past.
Any suggestions please.
Kind Regards Ursula
I would suggest a "hard" reboot by turning off using the remote (only do this when you are not recording in the background so the hard drive is not spinning). Then turn the power off using the rear switch. Wait a few seconds (10-20 say) and power back up. This will make the unit completely power down and clear any volatile memory (I have a suspicion this slowing down may be a result of one of these memory locations filling and not clearing down in normal use.)
The last update has nothing to do with this problem (unless it solves it or makes it worse!). I am still on the previous version and experience it. I have recently taken to doing the above hard boot about once a week and not had repeats of some of the other manifestations like sticking skip forwards and fast forward keys.
I was one of the original triallists and usually receive the software updates as soon as they're available. Not this time though. Even if I attempt a manual update, the screen says that I have the most up to date software (the January 8th one).
"New software for the YouView Humax box is now available and will be rolled out across all Retail and BT boxes over the next couple of weeks."
YouView, can you explain us why you need a 'couple of weeks' to update just thousands of boxes when almost all computer companies update multiple millions of computers or smartphones in a few days at most?
sarumbear 1 hour ago "New software for the YouView Humax box is now available and will be rolled out across all Retail and BT boxes over the next couple of weeks."
YouView, can you explain us why you need a 'couple of weeks' to update just thousands of boxes when almost all computer companies update multiple millions of computers or smartphones in a few days at most? --------------------------------------------------------------
Aren't you negative? Like, always. Geesh.
Have a minus point.
I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
You seem to be looking at the Component software details, rather than the Manufacturer ones. In any event, these are all different on the TalkTalk Huawei box, the illustration at the beginning of this thread relates to retail Humax boxes only.
Not sure what you mean about turning boosts on and off, this can already be done via your TalkTalk box.
Ah, got you now. You can add a TV Boost via the box, or using your online account. The advantage of adding it via the box is that it should become available more or less instantly. You have to login to your online account to remove it and allow 24 hours for it to take effect. Official help page here: http://help2.talktalk.co.uk/tv/how-do...
"New software for the YouView Humax box is now available and will be rolled out across all Retail and BT boxes over the next couple of weeks."
YouView, can you explain us why you need a 'couple of weeks' to update just thousands of boxes when almost all computer companies update multiple millions of computers or smartphones in a few days at most?
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Which, if there was one, would require all PVRs to set a time limit on how long you could keep a recording, just like BBC iPlayer downloads on a PC.
And as this shows such a limit is perfectly technically feasible, how do you explain that no PVR does this?
If the rampant and repeated rudeness, baiting and attempts to twist and blatantly lie about what I said aren't personal there must be some other reason that you today:
a) intervened in another thread with a sarky remark about me while providing no assistance at all to the OP: http://community.youview.com/youview/...
b) leapt on someone else called Martin, a poster making their very first post here, with a really rude and unhelpful response: http://community.youview.com/youview/...
You really do display all the signs of having a rather unhealthy obsession with me.
On a previous occasion I had to wait a number of days, I cannot recall exactly how many now. It is just question of being patient. There is nothing particularly mission-critical this time around.
Copyright law has a provision allowing recordings as follows:
"The making [F2 in domestic premises] for private and domestic use of a recording of a broadcast F3. . . solely for the purpose of enabling it to be viewed or listened to at a more convenient time does not infringe any copyright in the broadcast"
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1...
but the IPO claims:
"This time-shifting exception does not however cover the making of recordings for placing in a collection for repeated viewing or listening. The making of a recording for purposes other than to time-shift a programme for your or your family is likely to be illegal."
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-ot...
Offloading content to a USB drive potentially allows for longterm storage and repeated use in the way a capacity limited set top box doesn't - if you want to keep recording on any PVR you need eventually to delete content.
But my earlier mention of copyright was merely in support of my personal views on why the four big content owners who happen to be shareholders of YouView might not allow outputting to USB.
Another is that content owners make money from selling adverts around initial and repeat showings of programmes and/or releasing them DVD and selling them to archive channels and streaming services such as netflix.
Therefore the YouVIew shareholders have a vested interest in not allowing any method for us users keeping recordings if doing so would limit their potential for future commercial exploitation of that content.
None of which means I wouldn't like the ability to offload my recordings, and indeed settings and series links, to a USB in case I ended up having to reset o return my box.
As someone said above, it's about vested interests.
You seem to be looking at the Component software details, rather than the Manufacturer ones. In any event, these are all different on the TalkTalk Huawei box, the illustration at the beginning of this thread relates to retail Humax boxes only.
Not sure what you mean about turning boosts on and off, this can already be done via your TalkTalk box.
Sorry, not really concerned about the above. However, I have noticed that my Humax is going slower and slower; it seems to take an absolute age to do anything.
I delete recordings all the time, I like to keep it around the 70 per cent level, and it has never posed a problem in the past.
Any suggestions please.
Kind Regards
Ursula
The last update has nothing to do with this problem (unless it solves it or makes it worse!). I am still on the previous version and experience it. I have recently taken to doing the above hard boot about once a week and not had repeats of some of the other manifestations like sticking skip forwards and fast forward keys.
Not this time though.
Even if I attempt a manual update, the screen says that I have the most up to date software (the January 8th one).
YouView, can you explain us why you need a 'couple of weeks' to update just thousands of boxes when almost all computer companies update multiple millions of computers or smartphones in a few days at most?
"New software for the YouView Humax box is now available and will be rolled out across all Retail and BT boxes over the next couple of weeks."
YouView, can you explain us why you need a 'couple of weeks' to update just thousands of boxes when almost all computer companies update multiple millions of computers or smartphones in a few days at most?
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Aren't you negative? Like, always. Geesh.
Have a minus point.
That would be rather odd.