BT Sport

VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,782Member ✭✭✭
edited 12 December 2017, 11:54AM in Discussion
I see that as expected BT will continue to include BT Sport at no extra cost with a BT BB subscription -

http://sport.bt.com/sportfootball/football/bt-sport-to-remain-free-with-bt-broadband-S11363897619644...

But does anyone know if that extends to the current free 12 months HD offer? 
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  • edited 8 January 2015, 4:54PM
    The Financial Times published a story about this yesterday.
    The opening statement was:
    BT will maintain pressure on rival BSkyB by offering free sports coverage to its broadband customers for another year, although its pay-TV platform has grown only modestly following heavy investment in sports rights...
    (Full article is here: BT to keep up pressure on BSkyB - but you need a subscription to access it.)


  • drhowellsdrhowells Posts: 633Member
    edited 10 March 2017, 12:54AM
    I thought the main reason to offer BT Sports for free was to boost their broadband customers, not their TV Platform? I am sure they hoped to raise those numbers as well, but I thought Broadband was the primary....
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,782Member ✭✭✭
    edited 26 February 2017, 2:39PM
    Yes BB retention and expansion is the strategy using free/included BT Sport. The TV platform is inconsequential atm, for reasons I won't go into here as they are not YouView matters.

    The BT Sport Team rang me today, which was quite a surprise as I only emailed them this morning...

    From next season BT will start charging £3 a mth for viewing BT Sport in HD. This extends to BT BB Sky platform users as well. But they do not require 30 days cancellation notice if anyone wants to cancel the HD aspect. 
  • David8David8 Posts: 641Member ✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 2:50PM
    In my opinion it's purely to build its base up , let's see how free it is if they are successful in the next premier league rights , won't be long and we'll be seeing Sky Sports type charges in my opinion.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,782Member ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 10:48PM
    No. Nothing like on the figures I've seen muted. But they will start charging for it. The season after next. Nothing lasts forever unfortunately.
  • RoyRoy Posts: 13,832Member ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:39AM
    Visionman said:

    No. Nothing like on the figures I've seen muted. But they will start charging for it. The season after next. Nothing lasts forever unfortunately.

    They are keeping very quiet about the figures, then?
    ‘Does television exist for us to watch, or do we exist to watch television?’ - Noah Hawley
  • scottscott Posts: 1,776Member ✭✭✭
    edited 29 November 2016, 11:48AM
    Visionman said:

    No. Nothing like on the figures I've seen muted. But they will start charging for it. The season after next. Nothing lasts forever unfortunately.

    Of course... it is more than a year away and by then the later seasons of the prem auction will have happened and this could have a bearing on the price also. I think we can all make fairly good guesses (as all the figures floating around by analysts are really) but no one knows (including BT) till nearer the time.

    My guess is £5-£10 but again this is purely off the top of my head....
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,782Member ✭✭✭
    edited 26 February 2017, 2:39PM
    The following is an excellent article/overview on BT Sport since it launched and the financial implications for BT both now and in the future.

    http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/sectors/media/news/bt-sports-first-season-kicks-it-out-of-the-park/40...

    Also, for those that subscribe to these Freemium channels, they will start charging £3 for the HD aspect wef from the 1st August. If anyone is out contract for BB but wishes to continue to receive the channels without re-contracting, BT Sport in SD will cost £6.75 a mth with no discounts on whatever BB package your on, so its best to re-subscribe (negotiating a new discount of course).

    And last but not least, my information is BT Sport will finally be available to TalkTalks Boost users wef 01/08/14. Should be in HD too. But I do not know if they will be provided for free (like VM XL users do). All in all, progress.
  • scottscott Posts: 1,776Member ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 8:32AM
    Are you saying BT has done a wholesale deal with talk talk.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,782Member ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 8:32AM
    Yes scott. Some time ago apparently. Though I admit I was informed of this by a third party, so they may be wrong. But I've also thought that TalkTalk would get BT Sport eventually, once the channels become recordable and trickplay facilities enabled.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,782Member ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 8:32AM
    Anyone seen the now breaking BT Sport news? 

    http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/news/2014/05/free-bt-sport-youview-140514

    5.25Mb - 6.25Mb required. What the article doesn't mention is only 1 channel is recordable at a time. 
  • edited 8 January 2015, 4:54PM
    Visionman said:

    Anyone seen the now breaking BT Sport news? 

    http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/news/2014/05/free-bt-sport-youview-140514

    5.25Mb - 6.25Mb required. What the article doesn't mention is only 1 channel is recordable at a time. 

    Apparently yes, the story broke about 23 hours ago...

    Tweeted at 13.28 and previously at about 2.30am!
    (Seenit published the story soon after midnight last night.)
  • scottscott Posts: 1,776Member ✭✭✭
    edited 29 November 2016, 11:48AM
    Visionman said:

    Anyone seen the now breaking BT Sport news? 

    http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/news/2014/05/free-bt-sport-youview-140514

    5.25Mb - 6.25Mb required. What the article doesn't mention is only 1 channel is recordable at a time. 

    And apparently it's been available since 4th may according to that article....
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,782Member ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 8:32AM
    Oh. Even more changes apparently. As a BT Vision Sky Sports subscriber it looks like I'm goosed. They are going switch to YouView completely  -

    http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/news/2014/05/bt-stop-sky-sports-090514

    There must be more to this than meets the eye.


  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,782Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:05AM
    Visionman said:

    Anyone seen the now breaking BT Sport news? 

    http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/news/2014/05/free-bt-sport-youview-140514

    5.25Mb - 6.25Mb required. What the article doesn't mention is only 1 channel is recordable at a time. 

    Have a like gwatuk.
  • scottscott Posts: 1,776Member ✭✭✭
    edited 29 November 2016, 11:48AM
    Visionman said:

    Yes scott. Some time ago apparently. Though I admit I was informed of this by a third party, so they may be wrong. But I've also thought that TalkTalk would get BT Sport eventually, once the channels become recordable and trickplay facilities enabled.

    Maybe they will announce it tomorrow with there end of year financials although personally I am still sceptical... Will wait to be proved... Wonder if they will charge or offer free with a package.. Wonder if they will up thier package price again.. Would they dare...

    Also I believe the wholesale price to virgin will go up when the champions league starts, virgin can absorb some cost but not sure a more budget offering could quite so easily..
  • edited 8 January 2015, 4:54PM
    Visionman said:

    Anyone seen the now breaking BT Sport news? 

    http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/news/2014/05/free-bt-sport-youview-140514

    5.25Mb - 6.25Mb required. What the article doesn't mention is only 1 channel is recordable at a time. 

    According to seenit this has only just happened...
    "until today, a customer’s broadband package dictated how they could watch the channels."
  • edited 8 January 2015, 4:54PM
    Visionman said:

    Oh. Even more changes apparently. As a BT Vision Sky Sports subscriber it looks like I'm goosed. They are going switch to YouView completely  -

    http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/news/2014/05/bt-stop-sky-sports-090514

    There must be more to this than meets the eye.


    Does this mean you might finally get a YouView box?
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  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,782Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:05AM
    Visionman said:

    Oh. Even more changes apparently. As a BT Vision Sky Sports subscriber it looks like I'm goosed. They are going switch to YouView completely  -

    http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/news/2014/05/bt-stop-sky-sports-090514

    There must be more to this than meets the eye.


    Most definitely. And I'll get a G4 box to boot.

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  • TomWTomW Posts: 445Member
    edited 27 November 2016, 7:35PM
    Visionman said:

    Oh. Even more changes apparently. As a BT Vision Sky Sports subscriber it looks like I'm goosed. They are going switch to YouView completely  -

    http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/news/2014/05/bt-stop-sky-sports-090514

    There must be more to this than meets the eye.


    If this means that Sky Sports is never going to appear on BT YouView - as the article suggests - it's very disappointing news indeed.

    Does anyone know the latest news in the spat between BT and Sky over wholesale prices for Sky Sports? Put another way will Sky Sports EVER be available on BT YouView? I thought Sky were simply filibustering but it looks like we're still no closer to getting Sky Sports on BT YouView even after the intervention of ofcom.
  • scottscott Posts: 1,776Member ✭✭✭
    edited 29 November 2016, 11:48AM
    Visionman said:

    Oh. Even more changes apparently. As a BT Vision Sky Sports subscriber it looks like I'm goosed. They are going switch to YouView completely  -

    http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/news/2014/05/bt-stop-sky-sports-090514

    There must be more to this than meets the eye.


    Are you sure they haven't just got confused with the shut down of the first generation vision boxes as other articles originally did....
  • edited 8 January 2015, 4:54PM
    Visionman said:

    Oh. Even more changes apparently. As a BT Vision Sky Sports subscriber it looks like I'm goosed. They are going switch to YouView completely  -

    http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/news/2014/05/bt-stop-sky-sports-090514

    There must be more to this than meets the eye.


    And I'll get a G4 box to boot.
    Currently very cheap:
    http://tinyurl.com/nxbemtv


  • scottscott Posts: 1,776Member ✭✭✭
    edited 29 November 2016, 11:48AM
    Visionman said:

    Oh. Even more changes apparently. As a BT Vision Sky Sports subscriber it looks like I'm goosed. They are going switch to YouView completely  -

    http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/news/2014/05/bt-stop-sky-sports-090514

    There must be more to this than meets the eye.


    Both bt and sky have stated they are open to wholesale deals they just can't agree on a price...and possibly never will. This could mean that bt and sky are the only pay tv platforms that don't have wholesale to both sports packages...crazy.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,782Member ✭✭✭
    edited 26 February 2017, 2:39PM
    There is more to this than meets the eye. I've just read it again. They're unknowingly talking about silver boxes -
    "We will exchange legacy set-top boxes for new YouView boxes and anticipate some impact on TV customer churn during this period.
    Whereas the blogger A516 was unknowingly talking about black ones. Confusion abounds! Well it is BT.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,782Member ✭✭✭
    edited 26 February 2017, 2:39PM
    Just to clarify further, when BT refers to 'legacy' boxes they are referring to BT Vision silver boxes. Whereas Journalists and bloggers think they are referring to the entire BT Vision platform. This is not the case. The term legacy merely applies to the first generation BT Vision boxes.

    BT Vision /  BT TV -

    G1 - Silver BT Vision box running Windows CE. These will soon be redundant (legacy boxes).

    G1.5 - Black BTV box still running windows CE. Now redundant and switched to Linux. 

    G2 - Black BTV box running the new YouView(ish) Linux firmware.

    H3 - BT switches to retail Humax YouView boxes.

    G4 - A second generation BT YouView box.

    Hope this clears it up.


  • RoyRoy Posts: 13,832Member ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 10:48PM
    I've posted a comment there to try to help put this straight.

    And one interesting thing I found while researching it was that BT are now once again offering the black BT Vision+ boxes to those who elect to take Sky Sports:-

    http://www.productsandservices.bt.com...

    That page also confirms the 'stealth' offering of BT Sport over copper if you can't get Infinity - presumably they have determined that streamed Internet channels can work over copper after all.

    But it's interesting because at the time of the 'silver boxes' announcement confusion, all mention of BT Vision boxes disappeared from BT's TV Packages lineup, as if the black ones were no longer being offered, even if they weren't actually being discontinued.

    I leave you to speculate just how much confusion must have existed within BT itself at the time of that announcement. And I wonder if at first they really did intend to do away with all BT Vision boxes, until somebody pointed out the consequences of this vis-a-vis supplying Sky Sports?
    ‘Does television exist for us to watch, or do we exist to watch television?’ - Noah Hawley
  • RoyRoy Posts: 13,832Member ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 10:48PM
    I've posted a comment there to try to help put this straight.

    And one interesting thing I found while researching it was that BT are now once again offering the black BT Vision+ boxes to those who elect to take Sky Sports:-

    http://www.productsandservices.bt.com...

    That page also confirms the 'stealth' offering of BT Sport over copper if you can't get Infinity - presumably they have determined that streamed Internet channels can work over copper after all.

    But it's interesting because at the time of the 'silver boxes' announcement confusion, all mention of BT Vision boxes disappeared from BT's TV Packages lineup, as if the black ones were no longer being offered, even if they weren't actually being discontinued.

    I leave you to speculate just how much confusion must have existed within BT itself at the time of that announcement. And I wonder if at first they really did intend to do away with all BT Vision boxes, until somebody pointed out the consequences of this vis-a-vis supplying Sky Sports?
    ‘Does television exist for us to watch, or do we exist to watch television?’ - Noah Hawley
  • scottscott Posts: 1,776Member ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 8:32AM

    not to question your sources BUT....

    'And last but not least, my information is BT Sport will finally be available to TalkTalks Boost users wef 01/08/14. Should be in HD too. But I do not know if they will be provided for free (like VM XL users do). All in all, progress.'

     

    Talk Talk TV is delivered over standard broadband lines, how many of thier internet channels are delivered in HD at the minute (other than the obvious FTA stuff)....

    I know you can SELECT either version of a on demand film or tv show but that is a totally different ball game to having a full blown channel....

  • edited 8 January 2015, 4:54PM
    scott said:

    not to question your sources BUT....

    'And last but not least, my information is BT Sport will finally be available to TalkTalks Boost users wef 01/08/14. Should be in HD too. But I do not know if they will be provided for free (like VM XL users do). All in all, progress.'

     

    Talk Talk TV is delivered over standard broadband lines, how many of thier internet channels are delivered in HD at the minute (other than the obvious FTA stuff)....

    I know you can SELECT either version of a on demand film or tv show but that is a totally different ball game to having a full blown channel....

    TalkTalk TV is delivered over standard broadband lines, how many of thier internet channels are delivered in HD at the minute (other than the obvious FTA stuff)....
    I have TalkTalk with a 10M ADSL connection.
    The "Boost" (internet) channels are pretty high quality, not sure if its full HD.
    Movies from Sky Store are available in HD and they play OK.

    Also, despite dire warnings from the box saying something like "An internet channel recording is about to start this may affect other on demand stuff", I've never encountered any problems with streaming two things at once (in HD).
    So for now I don't feel any need to spend more money to upgrade to fibre.




    (Not sure that answers your question though.)
  • scottscott Posts: 1,776Member ✭✭✭
    edited 29 November 2016, 11:48AM
    scott said:

    not to question your sources BUT....

    'And last but not least, my information is BT Sport will finally be available to TalkTalks Boost users wef 01/08/14. Should be in HD too. But I do not know if they will be provided for free (like VM XL users do). All in all, progress.'

     

    Talk Talk TV is delivered over standard broadband lines, how many of thier internet channels are delivered in HD at the minute (other than the obvious FTA stuff)....

    I know you can SELECT either version of a on demand film or tv show but that is a totally different ball game to having a full blown channel....

    I appreciate if your speed is good for ADSL there is a lot you can do but there will also be people with a lot less speed. So they have to cater for both and I am guessing (and only guessing I have no proper knowledge) that the boost channels are NOT actually HD. Choosing a HD option for on-demand content is a different matter to having a live HD channel available, which is the point I was trying to make.
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