And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.Snails pace? Its actually been one of the fastest rollouts in Europe, redchiz. Heres the latest link I could find -
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.That link contains nothing to support your comment. And tellingly it references "fibre broadband" thus neatly sidestepping Ofcom's definition of "superfast" i.e. 30Mbps. Which reaches just 32% of UK homes, measured by "headline" rates which in reality are usually less. And includes Virgin Media. But don't let the facts etc...
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.Yes the figures are accurate red. So in regard to UHD and the 44Mbps (29+15) requirement whats your ultimate point?
I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.That those who suggest internet 4K TV is "the future" while all other platforms are doomed are being a bit hasty.
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.Finally, I don't understand how a local exchange which keels over at the hint of peak-hour congestion will have the capacity to deliver this kind of product as customer numbers rise into the millions. So essentially it is the limitations of the network which cause me to be sceptical, not UHD per se.Finally, I don't understand how a local exchange which keels over at the hint of peak-hour congestion will have the capacity to deliver this kind of product as customer numbers rise into the millions. So essentially it is the limitations of the network which cause me to be sceptical, not UHD per se.
I'm in a small town within a rural location, North Norfolk, I get in excess of 50mnps. Regarding a local exchange keeling over at peak time, well my exchange has never keeled over. And multicast can and foes cope with delivery of massive amounts of data, that's what it was devised for. It's only the likes of NowTV, unicast, that keeles over due to high capacity. Yes there are areas that cannot get UHD due to speed restrictions, but the vast majority will in the future be able to receive this product.
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.Redchiz, where do you get your figures. Try this :-
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.Sorry Paul but didn't you read the news , the BT Sports app and online keeled over the first week (community shield).
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.Your speeds are very similar to mine and my exchange doesn't keel over either. Unfortunately many do, a quick whizz around any internet/ISP forum will tell you so. And I have noticed severe deterioration in quality on regular multicast channels when demand is high e.g. the recent Ashes coverage, or major PL matches. I have no quibble with the enthusiasm shown by those who are currently able to enjoy BT UHD, I just feel that the unbridled proselytising shown by some needs to be tempered with a touch of realism. I wish I could share your confidence about the "vast majority in the future," without any meaningful detail of how and when this might be achieved.
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.Scott, I got my figures from Ofcom as per the link I posted earlier. BT and HMG think that "superfast" is 25Mbps, which isn't fast enough for UHD TV!
This chart seems to be most pertinent to this particular discussion:
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.Over 90% can get over 25mbps, and it doesn't stop working when the weather is bad like my sky did...
Also you can't complain about a company with the fastest rollout in Europe in the middle of a recession and complain they haven't done fttp. If BT had gone done the fttp route the coverage would still be at about 30% and everyone would be complaining.
Can I get the link. I would suggest the official ofcom report which isn't nearly a year out of date is actually more pertinent
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.Script sheet......check Blinkers on ........check Promotional material......check
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.Now, now...
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.How many more links do you want
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.Any that shows over 90% get 25Mbps, as opposed to those that say 90% have "access to" fibre at any speed. Thread is about BT Sport and UHD, remember? Not a PR release for BT. ;-)
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.Did you not read the first link. While Ofcom defines ‘superfast’ as anything delivering 30Mbps or above, the government and BT have a different idea, setting the superfast bar down to 25Mbps or faster.
Taking this into account, Ofcom’s report shows that 90 per cent of premises across the UK can now get broadband services from an NGA (next-generation access) network, whether that’s the FTTC (Fibre to the Cabinet) or FTTP (Fibre to the Premises) portion of Openreach, Virgin Media’s up to 152Mbps cable network, or KCOM’s up to 350Mbps Lightstream footprint in Hull.
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.I have never said that Sky are doomed to failure regarding their method of delivery. My point is that from a recently introduced product the developments has been quicker than Sky. I accept partly due to the need to compete with a Sky on a technical aspect. Regarding the future BT have started to trial Ultra Fast fiber with the ambition to roll out to the majority of the UK within 10 years and before comments regarding the time scale, I go back to my previous observation - it took Sky over 20 years to get to where they are now.
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.This link shows 85.2% (what's a few percentage between friends ;-) ) http://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.Scott, I read both links. They make clear the difference in definitions. They then both go on to say that fibre (speed unspecified - neither 25 nor 30) is available (not delivered) to 90% of UK premises (which includes offices, shops, etc, as well as households). It's a bit like the claims the mobile phone networks keep making about coverage, the reality is somewhat different from the puff.
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.Are you saying that just because people haven't taken up the option available to them it can't be counted as being available...
I thought my link to the labs report above makes clear the speed... Think broadband are certainly no pr for BT as are recombu who are very sky driven.
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.No I am not. But it does skew the figures somewhat. What is more germane is the fact that it includes all fibre availability including that below 30Mbps, which will account for a hell of a lot. And rules out BT UHD. Which is what we are supposed to be talking about here!! Anyway, I'm off to watch the Liverpool match. On Sky. In a bar with SD beer-o-vision.
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.My labs link shows exactly the 30Mbps and above coverage (84.4%)...
The reality is probably somewhere in the middle (a bit like most things)...
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.This thread is pure comedy gold , to summarise
BT have and will always have the edge in UHD
Satellite isn't a viable delivery method for UHD
Sky are years behind the competition
And the best one yet
Sky will never deliver live channels in 4K and will only have a 4K On Demand system.
And the use of the internet will be limited only by the imagination of the providers who provide it.
Visionman, what percentage of customers connected to the BT network do you reckon are capable of receiving UHD via the internet at present? That would seem to me to be a more pertinent limit than anything in anyone's imagination.If you read across all the threads in here it does actually even itself out..There are plenty of threads saying SKY are the best thing since sliced bread and YouView (and of course BT TV) will be assigned to the trash bin any minute....
The facts at the minute are BT (and YouView) are ahead of SKY in the UHD race. For how long, until SKY gives us something, anything, to go on we can only guess.
David> This thread is pure comedy gold , to summarise BT have and will always have the edge in UHD Satellite isn't a viable delivery method for UHD Sky are years behind the competition And the best one yet Sky will never deliver live channels in 4K and will only have a 4K On Demand system. At least your a pretty neutral bunch lol.
Why did you take the BT YouView service David, and then on here extol the virtues of Sky and satellite?
I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
David> This thread is pure comedy gold , to summarise BT have and will always have the edge in UHD Satellite isn't a viable delivery method for UHD Sky are years behind the competition And the best one yet Sky will never deliver live channels in 4K and will only have a 4K On Demand system. At least your a pretty neutral bunch lol.
Why did you take the BT YouView service David, and then on here extol the virtues of Sky and satellite?
I took the BT service because at £4 a month it was cheaper than paying £9 for BT Sport HD on my Sky box unlike others I have no loyalty to any firm.
I have had Youview since its launch and generally think it's a decent PVR.
As you can see I have both services which allows me to see the good and bad of both , sadly on here the Sky haters struggle to present a balanced argument.
I'm sorry if you feel I shouldn't be questioning such absurd comments , I'm just struggling to believe that you seriously think one of Europe's largest pay tv providers will never have a live 4K channel despite all the recent tests conducted and evidence to the contrary.
If you read my posts you'll see I have no problems praising BT for it's move into UHD and it's Youview service in general but I'll always question ridiculous posts like one or two on here.
David> This thread is pure comedy gold , to summarise BT have and will always have the edge in UHD Satellite isn't a viable delivery method for UHD Sky are years behind the competition And the best one yet Sky will never deliver live channels in 4K and will only have a 4K On Demand system. At least your a pretty neutral bunch lol.
Why did you take the BT YouView service David, and then on here extol the virtues of Sky and satellite?
David> This thread is pure comedy gold , to summarise BT have and will always have the edge in UHD Satellite isn't a viable delivery method for UHD Sky are years behind the competition And the best one yet Sky will never deliver live channels in 4K and will only have a 4K On Demand system. At least your a pretty neutral bunch lol.
No one on here has said any of that.
I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
David> This thread is pure comedy gold , to summarise BT have and will always have the edge in UHD Satellite isn't a viable delivery method for UHD Sky are years behind the competition And the best one yet Sky will never deliver live channels in 4K and will only have a 4K On Demand system. At least your a pretty neutral bunch lol.
Why did you take the BT YouView service David, and then on here extol the virtues of Sky and satellite?
So you didn't say
Sky are not bringing out a live channel UHD box. ?
David> This thread is pure comedy gold , to summarise BT have and will always have the edge in UHD Satellite isn't a viable delivery method for UHD Sky are years behind the competition And the best one yet Sky will never deliver live channels in 4K and will only have a 4K On Demand system. At least your a pretty neutral bunch lol.
Why did you take the BT YouView service David, and then on here extol the virtues of Sky and satellite?
So you didn't say
Sky are not bringing out a live channel UHD box. ?
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BT fibre broadband coverage reaches 80% of UK
http://www.uswitch.com/broadband/news/2015/07/bt_fibre_broadband_coverage_reaches_80_of_uk/
I'm in a small town within a rural location, North Norfolk, I get in excess of 50mnps. Regarding a local exchange keeling over at peak time, well my exchange has never keeled over. And multicast can and foes cope with delivery of massive amounts of data, that's what it was devised for. It's only the likes of NowTV, unicast, that keeles over due to high capacity. Yes there are areas that cannot get UHD due to speed restrictions, but the vast majority will in the future be able to receive this product.
https://recombu.com/digital/article/u...
Official ofcom report says over 83% can now get over 30mbps.
This chart seems to be most pertinent to this particular discussion:
Also you can't complain about a company with the fastest rollout in Europe in the middle of a recession and complain they haven't done fttp. If BT had gone done the fttp route the coverage would still be at about 30% and everyone would be complaining.
Can I get the link. I would suggest the official ofcom report which isn't nearly a year out of date is actually more pertinent
Blinkers on ........check
Promotional material......check
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/70...
While Ofcom defines ‘superfast’ as anything delivering 30Mbps or above, the government and BT have a different idea, setting the superfast bar down to 25Mbps or faster.
Taking this into account, Ofcom’s report shows that 90 per cent of premises across the UK can now get broadband services from an NGA (next-generation access) network, whether that’s the FTTC (Fibre to the Cabinet) or FTTP (Fibre to the Premises) portion of Openreach, Virgin Media’s up to 152Mbps cable network, or KCOM’s up to 350Mbps Lightstream footprint in Hull.
Is that clear enough...
http://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/
I thought my link to the labs report above makes clear the speed... Think broadband are certainly no pr for BT as are recombu who are very sky driven.
The reality is probably somewhere in the middle (a bit like most things)...
BT have and will always have the edge in UHD
Satellite isn't a viable delivery method for UHD
Sky are years behind the competition
And the best one yet
Sky will never deliver live channels in 4K and will only have a 4K On Demand system.
At least your a pretty neutral bunch lol.
The facts at the minute are BT (and YouView) are ahead of SKY in the UHD race. For how long, until SKY gives us something, anything, to go on we can only guess.
This thread is pure comedy gold , to summarise
BT have and will always have the edge in UHD
Satellite isn't a viable delivery method for UHD
Sky are years behind the competition
And the best one yet
Sky will never deliver live channels in 4K and will only have a 4K On Demand system.
At least your a pretty neutral bunch lol.
Why did you take the BT YouView service David, and then on here extol the virtues of Sky and satellite?
I have had Youview since its launch and generally think it's a decent PVR.
As you can see I have both services which allows me to see the good and bad of both , sadly on here the Sky haters struggle to present a balanced argument.
I'm sorry if you feel I shouldn't be questioning such absurd comments , I'm just struggling to believe that you seriously think one of Europe's largest pay tv providers will never have a live 4K channel despite all the recent tests conducted and evidence to the contrary.
If you read my posts you'll see I have no problems praising BT for it's move into UHD and it's Youview service in general but I'll always question ridiculous posts like one or two on here.
This thread is pure comedy gold , to summarise
BT have and will always have the edge in UHD
Satellite isn't a viable delivery method for UHD
Sky are years behind the competition
And the best one yet
Sky will never deliver live channels in 4K and will only have a 4K On Demand system.
At least your a pretty neutral bunch lol.
No one on here has said any of that.
Sky are not bringing out a live channel UHD box. ?
Sky are not bringing out a live channel UHD box. ?