It looks like the migration from Digital Terrestrial Television to pure IP delivery is picking up pace. I've just read this comment on the Community forum -
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- I recently received an email from BT which states that :
"We're in the process of changing the way we deliver BT Sport to our customers. We're turning off the Digital Terrestrial Television signal that allows you to watch our sport channels through your TV aerial, and instead we will be delivering them over the internet."
They "suggested" that I get a Chromecast (for free) and "stream from my 'phone, Tablet or PC". All well and good, but why not simpl ad an app to the BT Vision Box, or XBOX, Playstation etc. like with iPlayer, 4OD etc?
In the interest of science I tried the Chromecast, but to call its performance and usability lamentable would be overly generous. Of course as one of the aparrent "minority" using a Windows device, I don't get most of Chromecast's "features". Maybe it works with Android?
As a rural dweller the likelihood of my Broadband being upgraded to anything above its current (nominal) 6Mbs looks unlikely. As someone who pays the same for my cruddy 6Mbs Broadband as those who get 20+Mbs I feel entitled to being able to get BT Sport, and all the other "features" of being a loyal BT customer.
Perhaps someone from BT woiuld like to clarify this situation.
If memory serves, the BT Sport DTT licences are due to expire at the end of Jan 2015, at £10m a pop slot. So in regard to the very small % of viewers that view via DTT, its not commercially viable to continue the service via this method. And for those not on Infinity, the Chromecast bit is true.
Absolutely.
I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
It looks like the migration from Digital Terrestrial Television to pure IP delivery is picking up pace. I've just read this comment on the Community forum -
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- I recently received an email from BT which states that :
"We're in the process of changing the way we deliver BT Sport to our customers. We're turning off the Digital Terrestrial Television signal that allows you to watch our sport channels through your TV aerial, and instead we will be delivering them over the internet."
They "suggested" that I get a Chromecast (for free) and "stream from my 'phone, Tablet or PC". All well and good, but why not simpl ad an app to the BT Vision Box, or XBOX, Playstation etc. like with iPlayer, 4OD etc?
In the interest of science I tried the Chromecast, but to call its performance and usability lamentable would be overly generous. Of course as one of the aparrent "minority" using a Windows device, I don't get most of Chromecast's "features". Maybe it works with Android?
As a rural dweller the likelihood of my Broadband being upgraded to anything above its current (nominal) 6Mbs looks unlikely. As someone who pays the same for my cruddy 6Mbs Broadband as those who get 20+Mbs I feel entitled to being able to get BT Sport, and all the other "features" of being a loyal BT customer.
Perhaps someone from BT woiuld like to clarify this situation.
If memory serves, the BT Sport DTT licences are due to expire at the end of Jan 2015, at £10m a pop slot. So in regard to the very small % of viewers that view via DTT, its not commercially viable to continue the service via this method. And for those not on Infinity, the Chromecast bit is true.
Not sure what the issue is here. BT Sport has always been an internet "channel" on our YV box.
For other readers, chromecast works with PC/Mac, android, and iOS.
Far from its performance being lamentable, our experience is exactly the opposite. We've enjoyed Netflix for over 12 months with it and it works brilliantly, via my **** old W7 laptop too.
In fact, whilst we have iPlayer on the TV, BD, and YV, I use it far more via my phone and the app's cast option.
It looks like the migration from Digital Terrestrial Television to pure IP delivery is picking up pace. I've just read this comment on the Community forum -
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- I recently received an email from BT which states that :
"We're in the process of changing the way we deliver BT Sport to our customers. We're turning off the Digital Terrestrial Television signal that allows you to watch our sport channels through your TV aerial, and instead we will be delivering them over the internet."
They "suggested" that I get a Chromecast (for free) and "stream from my 'phone, Tablet or PC". All well and good, but why not simpl ad an app to the BT Vision Box, or XBOX, Playstation etc. like with iPlayer, 4OD etc?
In the interest of science I tried the Chromecast, but to call its performance and usability lamentable would be overly generous. Of course as one of the aparrent "minority" using a Windows device, I don't get most of Chromecast's "features". Maybe it works with Android?
As a rural dweller the likelihood of my Broadband being upgraded to anything above its current (nominal) 6Mbs looks unlikely. As someone who pays the same for my cruddy 6Mbs Broadband as those who get 20+Mbs I feel entitled to being able to get BT Sport, and all the other "features" of being a loyal BT customer.
Perhaps someone from BT woiuld like to clarify this situation.
If memory serves, the BT Sport DTT licences are due to expire at the end of Jan 2015, at £10m a pop slot. So in regard to the very small % of viewers that view via DTT, its not commercially viable to continue the service via this method. And for those not on Infinity, the Chromecast bit is true.
Why would you want to spend £30 for a Chromecast dongle to plug into your Mac when you can watch BT Sport via their website anyway? Ditto Netflix? Or am I missing something here?
It looks like the migration from Digital Terrestrial Television to pure IP delivery is picking up pace. I've just read this comment on the Community forum -
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- I recently received an email from BT which states that :
"We're in the process of changing the way we deliver BT Sport to our customers. We're turning off the Digital Terrestrial Television signal that allows you to watch our sport channels through your TV aerial, and instead we will be delivering them over the internet."
They "suggested" that I get a Chromecast (for free) and "stream from my 'phone, Tablet or PC". All well and good, but why not simpl ad an app to the BT Vision Box, or XBOX, Playstation etc. like with iPlayer, 4OD etc?
In the interest of science I tried the Chromecast, but to call its performance and usability lamentable would be overly generous. Of course as one of the aparrent "minority" using a Windows device, I don't get most of Chromecast's "features". Maybe it works with Android?
As a rural dweller the likelihood of my Broadband being upgraded to anything above its current (nominal) 6Mbs looks unlikely. As someone who pays the same for my cruddy 6Mbs Broadband as those who get 20+Mbs I feel entitled to being able to get BT Sport, and all the other "features" of being a loyal BT customer.
Perhaps someone from BT woiuld like to clarify this situation.
If memory serves, the BT Sport DTT licences are due to expire at the end of Jan 2015, at £10m a pop slot. So in regard to the very small % of viewers that view via DTT, its not commercially viable to continue the service via this method. And for those not on Infinity, the Chromecast bit is true.
Most users would plug chromecast into their TV and get web based services on the big screen. Hence my comment that we added Netflix a year ago. Same with Google Play content, and other cast ready apps.
Clearly, anyone already getting the internet services they want on their big screen wouldn't need chromecast or any other streaming solution.
My reference to PC/Mac etc was to show that the initial "cast" command can come from either desktop platform, and either of the two biggest mobile platforms.
It looks like the migration from Digital Terrestrial Television to pure IP delivery is picking up pace. I've just read this comment on the Community forum -
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- I recently received an email from BT which states that :
"We're in the process of changing the way we deliver BT Sport to our customers. We're turning off the Digital Terrestrial Television signal that allows you to watch our sport channels through your TV aerial, and instead we will be delivering them over the internet."
They "suggested" that I get a Chromecast (for free) and "stream from my 'phone, Tablet or PC". All well and good, but why not simpl ad an app to the BT Vision Box, or XBOX, Playstation etc. like with iPlayer, 4OD etc?
In the interest of science I tried the Chromecast, but to call its performance and usability lamentable would be overly generous. Of course as one of the aparrent "minority" using a Windows device, I don't get most of Chromecast's "features". Maybe it works with Android?
As a rural dweller the likelihood of my Broadband being upgraded to anything above its current (nominal) 6Mbs looks unlikely. As someone who pays the same for my cruddy 6Mbs Broadband as those who get 20+Mbs I feel entitled to being able to get BT Sport, and all the other "features" of being a loyal BT customer.
Perhaps someone from BT woiuld like to clarify this situation.
If memory serves, the BT Sport DTT licences are due to expire at the end of Jan 2015, at £10m a pop slot. So in regard to the very small % of viewers that view via DTT, its not commercially viable to continue the service via this method. And for those not on Infinity, the Chromecast bit is true.
And I fooled you by removing my earlier comments, just as you were in the process of replying! I understand now, I think I am probably just guilty of being anti-Google. And I don't think I could ever bring myself to use Chrome as a primary browser, they already steal enough of my data through the back door without me allowing them in through the front.
Michael G> Not sure what the issue is here. BT Sport has always been an internet "channel" on our YV box.
The issue is for those that cannot get either copper or fibre based multicast services. A minority of BT Sport (Vision) users to be sure, but still an issue for they. Though such a change will have no overall impact on BT TV churn. But that wasn't the point I was making.
This move, along with the CAT's interim approval for BT to finally carry Sky Sports, has significance in regard to BT YouViews user numbers! And of course the eventual phasing out of the 2nd and final generation BT Vision boxes. This move carries weight.
I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
It looks like the migration from Digital Terrestrial Television to pure IP delivery is picking up pace. I've just read this comment on the Community forum -
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- I recently received an email from BT which states that :
"We're in the process of changing the way we deliver BT Sport to our customers. We're turning off the Digital Terrestrial Television signal that allows you to watch our sport channels through your TV aerial, and instead we will be delivering them over the internet."
They "suggested" that I get a Chromecast (for free) and "stream from my 'phone, Tablet or PC". All well and good, but why not simpl ad an app to the BT Vision Box, or XBOX, Playstation etc. like with iPlayer, 4OD etc?
In the interest of science I tried the Chromecast, but to call its performance and usability lamentable would be overly generous. Of course as one of the aparrent "minority" using a Windows device, I don't get most of Chromecast's "features". Maybe it works with Android?
As a rural dweller the likelihood of my Broadband being upgraded to anything above its current (nominal) 6Mbs looks unlikely. As someone who pays the same for my cruddy 6Mbs Broadband as those who get 20+Mbs I feel entitled to being able to get BT Sport, and all the other "features" of being a loyal BT customer.
Perhaps someone from BT woiuld like to clarify this situation.
If memory serves, the BT Sport DTT licences are due to expire at the end of Jan 2015, at £10m a pop slot. So in regard to the very small % of viewers that view via DTT, its not commercially viable to continue the service via this method. And for those not on Infinity, the Chromecast bit is true.
Chrome is the best browser I've used. And believe me, I've tried them all.
Am I bothered that Google knows I enjoyed OITNB on Netflix a year ago?
No. And I'm not naive enough to think that no-one else gathers my data.
But here's the thing. Despite the name, no browsers are involved anyway when using chromecast for its main purpose. You cast the app, not a browser.
Michael G> Not sure what the issue is here. BT Sport has always been an internet "channel" on our YV box.
The issue is for those that cannot get either copper or fibre based multicast services. A minority of BT Sport (Vision) users to be sure, but still an issue for they. Though such a change will have no overall impact on BT TV churn. But that wasn't the point I was making.
This move, along with the CAT's interim approval for BT to finally carry Sky Sports, has significance in regard to BT YouViews user numbers! And of course the eventual phasing out of the 2nd and final generation BT Vision boxes. This move carries weight.Right. I was late to the party. I knew of no other means of delivery of BT Sport than over the internet.
I do know that many chromecast users bought it specifically to add BT Sport to the big screen because they'd no other way of doing it neatly. And those users can initiate it via PC, MAC, chromebook, and on mobile, iOS or android. So most are catered for.
Of course, streaming HD needs a reasonable connection to start with. That applies to any service via any device.
Michael G> Not sure what the issue is here. BT Sport has always been an internet "channel" on our YV box.
The issue is for those that cannot get either copper or fibre based multicast services. A minority of BT Sport (Vision) users to be sure, but still an issue for they. Though such a change will have no overall impact on BT TV churn. But that wasn't the point I was making.
This move, along with the CAT's interim approval for BT to finally carry Sky Sports, has significance in regard to BT YouViews user numbers! And of course the eventual phasing out of the 2nd and final generation BT Vision boxes. This move carries weight.Michael - Chromecast is not a suitable method for casting BT Sport from a laptop/PC to a TV - Casting video streams that use silverlight players is not supported and generally will not work without picture and/or sound issues.
Michael G> Not sure what the issue is here. BT Sport has always been an internet "channel" on our YV box.
The issue is for those that cannot get either copper or fibre based multicast services. A minority of BT Sport (Vision) users to be sure, but still an issue for they. Though such a change will have no overall impact on BT TV churn. But that wasn't the point I was making.
This move, along with the CAT's interim approval for BT to finally carry Sky Sports, has significance in regard to BT YouViews user numbers! And of course the eventual phasing out of the 2nd and final generation BT Vision boxes. This move carries weight.Does it use Silverlight? I didn't know. I'd venture to suggest most would initiate cast from a phone. That's how I tested it.
Actually, Amazon Video suffers from the same cast issue with desktop in the UK. Unlike the US, we can't select Flash as a video option.
However, since they rolled out Amazon streaming to android, official android mirroring will push it across. Works great on my set up mirrored from an ageing Nexus 4.
On the basis of reality...BT have always said they will charge a 'small' amount for champions league. Whether they will still leave the rest of the sport free we will have to wait and see but again they have said the reality is people can't expect BT to pay more and more and not look to get a return. So IF BT win some packages it is pretty certain they will cost more than before and BT will look to recover some of that.
In contrast to Sky’s wait-and-see attitude to 4K, it is understood that BT aims to introduce the technology on BT Sport within months. It is also poised to launch a new set-top box and mount a major marketing push in spring.
Does anyone know any more about this?
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?
In contrast to Sky’s wait-and-see attitude to 4K, it is understood that BT aims to introduce the technology on BT Sport within months. It is also poised to launch a new set-top box and mount a major marketing push in spring.
Does anyone know any more about this?
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?4k requires a hdmi 2.0 port which none of the current boxes have (they all use the 1.4 spec). It will 100% definitely be a YouView variant box though. BT have committed to having a single TV proposition within the next few years and that variant is 100% YouView.
In contrast to Sky’s wait-and-see attitude to 4K, it is understood that BT aims to introduce the technology on BT Sport within months. It is also poised to launch a new set-top box and mount a major marketing push in spring.
Does anyone know any more about this?
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?It'll also need a TV capable of displaying a 4K picture. Prices are coming down though and more content being announced. Looks like our next purchase will be 4K. Needs a fast'ish uncapped connection though. I think Netflix say 25meg.
In contrast to Sky’s wait-and-see attitude to 4K, it is understood that BT aims to introduce the technology on BT Sport within months. It is also poised to launch a new set-top box and mount a major marketing push in spring.
Does anyone know any more about this?
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?Netflix recommend 25 but will go down to about 20, but live broadcast streaming can't be compressed as much so will be looking closer to 40 :-( you can start to see why BT think G.fast might well be needed.
In contrast to Sky’s wait-and-see attitude to 4K, it is understood that BT aims to introduce the technology on BT Sport within months. It is also poised to launch a new set-top box and mount a major marketing push in spring.
Does anyone know any more about this?
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?Our Infinity 2 has slowed a bit but we can still manage 50 on a good day so bring on the live 4K streaming :-)
In contrast to Sky’s wait-and-see attitude to 4K, it is understood that BT aims to introduce the technology on BT Sport within months. It is also poised to launch a new set-top box and mount a major marketing push in spring.
Does anyone know any more about this?
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?I get 43 so i might be borderline :-( I have been watching netflix and some is upscaled and some is shot in 4k. It looks good but is obviously quite compressed to get to the 25 bandwidth and didn't compare to the proper higher bandwidth streams so will be interesting to see how the tv companies choose to show it
In contrast to Sky’s wait-and-see attitude to 4K, it is understood that BT aims to introduce the technology on BT Sport within months. It is also poised to launch a new set-top box and mount a major marketing push in spring.
Does anyone know any more about this?
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?Yep. Off at a tangent as might be a while yet before we jump, but which TV have you got Scott?
In contrast to Sky’s wait-and-see attitude to 4K, it is understood that BT aims to introduce the technology on BT Sport within months. It is also poised to launch a new set-top box and mount a major marketing push in spring.
Does anyone know any more about this?
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?Just got the LG ub850v, replaced a 8 year old Samsung plasma. I think uhd is still quite new so improvements will be made every year and better TV's will come out all the time but we are happy with it.
In contrast to Sky’s wait-and-see attitude to 4K, it is understood that BT aims to introduce the technology on BT Sport within months. It is also poised to launch a new set-top box and mount a major marketing push in spring.
Does anyone know any more about this?
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?I'm a big sammy fan but LG I know are doing some great stuff. Found the 49er on JL so bookmarked it. Thanks for the heads up Scott.
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For other readers, chromecast works with PC/Mac, android, and iOS.
Far from its performance being lamentable, our experience is exactly the opposite. We've enjoyed Netflix for over 12 months with it and it works brilliantly, via my **** old W7 laptop too.
In fact, whilst we have iPlayer on the TV, BD, and YV, I use it far more via my phone and the app's cast option.
YMMV.
Clearly, anyone already getting the internet services they want on their big screen wouldn't need chromecast or any other streaming solution.
My reference to PC/Mac etc was to show that the initial "cast" command can come from either desktop platform, and either of the two biggest mobile platforms.
This move, along with the CAT's interim approval for BT to finally carry Sky Sports, has significance in regard to BT YouViews user numbers! And of course the eventual phasing out of the 2nd and final generation BT Vision boxes. This move carries weight.
Am I bothered that Google knows I enjoyed OITNB on Netflix a year ago?
No. And I'm not naive enough to think that no-one else gathers my data.
But here's the thing. Despite the name, no browsers are involved anyway when using chromecast for its main purpose. You cast the app, not a browser.
This move, along with the CAT's interim approval for BT to finally carry Sky Sports, has significance in regard to BT YouViews user numbers! And of course the eventual phasing out of the 2nd and final generation BT Vision boxes. This move carries weight.Right. I was late to the party. I knew of no other means of delivery of BT Sport than over the internet.
I do know that many chromecast users bought it specifically to add BT Sport to the big screen because they'd no other way of doing it neatly. And those users can initiate it via PC, MAC, chromebook, and on mobile, iOS or android. So most are catered for.
Of course, streaming HD needs a reasonable connection to start with. That applies to any service via any device.
This move, along with the CAT's interim approval for BT to finally carry Sky Sports, has significance in regard to BT YouViews user numbers! And of course the eventual phasing out of the 2nd and final generation BT Vision boxes. This move carries weight.Michael - Chromecast is not a suitable method for casting BT Sport from a laptop/PC to a TV - Casting video streams that use silverlight players is not supported and generally will not work without picture and/or sound issues.
This move, along with the CAT's interim approval for BT to finally carry Sky Sports, has significance in regard to BT YouViews user numbers! And of course the eventual phasing out of the 2nd and final generation BT Vision boxes. This move carries weight.Does it use Silverlight? I didn't know. I'd venture to suggest most would initiate cast from a phone. That's how I tested it.
Actually, Amazon Video suffers from the same cast issue with desktop in the UK. Unlike the US, we can't select Flash as a video option.
However, since they rolled out Amazon streaming to android, official android mirroring will push it across. Works great on my set up mirrored from an ageing Nexus 4.
It looks like the migration from Digital Terrestrial Television to pure IP delivery is picking up pace.
which puzzled me a little. But perhaps you were just talking about BT, given the context of this thread?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2924243/Premier-League-race-against-time-auction-5...
The sums that will be bid will be eye-watering.
Ambrose Bierce
Though glad to see the BBC and MOTD have retained the EPL rights.
http://advanced-television.com/2015/01/29/bbc-retains-premier-league-highlights/
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?4k requires a hdmi 2.0 port which none of the current boxes have (they all use the 1.4 spec). It will 100% definitely be a YouView variant box though. BT have committed to having a single TV proposition within the next few years and that variant is 100% YouView.
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?It'll also need a TV capable of displaying a 4K picture. Prices are coming down though and more content being announced. Looks like our next purchase will be 4K. Needs a fast'ish uncapped connection though. I think Netflix say 25meg.
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?Netflix recommend 25 but will go down to about 20, but live broadcast streaming can't be compressed as much so will be looking closer to 40 :-( you can start to see why BT think G.fast might well be needed.
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?Our Infinity 2 has slowed a bit but we can still manage 50 on a good day so bring on the live 4K streaming :-)
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?I get 43 so i might be borderline :-(
I have been watching netflix and some is upscaled and some is shot in 4k. It looks good but is obviously quite compressed to get to the 25 bandwidth and didn't compare to the proper higher bandwidth streams so will be interesting to see how the tv companies choose to show it
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?Yep. Off at a tangent as might be a while yet before we jump, but which TV have you got Scott?
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?Just got the LG ub850v, replaced a 8 year old Samsung plasma. I think uhd is still quite new so improvements will be made every year and better TV's will come out all the time but we are happy with it.
I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.
If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?I'm a big sammy fan but LG I know are doing some great stuff. Found the 49er on JL so bookmarked it. Thanks for the heads up Scott.