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  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,188Member ✭✭✭
    edited 21 December 2016, 11:06PM
    skiller said:

    BT prepares ultra-high definition technology for Champions League coverage

    In contrast to Sky’s wait-and-see attitude to 4K, it is understood that BT aims to introduce the technology on BT Sport within months. It is also poised to launch a new set-top box and mount a major marketing push in spring.
    Does anyone know any more about this?

    I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.

    If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?Scott, are you registered on the BT trials programme and kept your kit profile up to date?
  • scottscott Posts: 1,890Member ✭✭✭
    edited 29 November 2016, 10:48AM
    skiller said:

    BT prepares ultra-high definition technology for Champions League coverage

    In contrast to Sky’s wait-and-see attitude to 4K, it is understood that BT aims to introduce the technology on BT Sport within months. It is also poised to launch a new set-top box and mount a major marketing push in spring.
    Does anyone know any more about this?

    I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.

    If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?Yes visionman
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,188Member ✭✭✭
    edited 21 December 2016, 11:06PM
    skiller said:

    BT prepares ultra-high definition technology for Champions League coverage

    In contrast to Sky’s wait-and-see attitude to 4K, it is understood that BT aims to introduce the technology on BT Sport within months. It is also poised to launch a new set-top box and mount a major marketing push in spring.
    Does anyone know any more about this?

    I don't know enough about how the technology works, but to me this report suggests that 4K streaming requires new STBs.

    If so, will the new STBs that BT will be providing their customers still be "YouView boxes"?Nice one. You've at least got a shout of testing this then.  image 
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,188Member ✭✭✭
    edited 26 February 2017, 1:39PM
  • zulu17zulu17 Posts: 904Member ✭✭
    edited 14 December 2016, 9:35PM
    Visionman said:

    Its been reported in the press the closing date for bids for Premier League live TV rights is a week on Friday.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2924243/Premier-League-race-against-time-auction-5...

    The sums that will be bid will be eye-watering.

    Well back in October - BT said during a presentation on the Q2 results 

    John Petter Just to add very briefly that our plans for the Champions League have been very consistently to charge but to be extremely keen on the pricing for the Champions League
  • David8David8 Posts: 645Member ✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 1:50PM
    "While 4K can be done with a 15Mbps connection"

    Good luck with live sport at that
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,188Member ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 9:48PM
    I believe thats referencing on demand content only. True uncompressed live 4K content (sport in this case) would require around 40Mbps using cutting edge encoding, Which is already achievable of course. But I can't help but wonder why?

    Why (if true) are both Sky and BT going to launch 4K this year? As as it stands atm its still a niche product. Brownie points? Bragging rights? Finger pointing giggles in the school playground between the two top dogs top two? I don't know, but its certainly a strange one if true. 
  • scottscott Posts: 1,890Member ✭✭✭
    edited 29 November 2016, 10:48AM
    Visionman said:

    I believe thats referencing on demand content only. True uncompressed live 4K content (sport in this case) would require around 40Mbps using cutting edge encoding, Which is already achievable of course. But I can't help but wonder why?

    Why (if true) are both Sky and BT going to launch 4K this year? As as it stands atm its still a niche product. Brownie points? Bragging rights? Finger pointing giggles in the school playground between the two top dogs top two? I don't know, but its certainly a strange one if true. 

    Selling point. Niche maybe at the minute but there is no doubt uhd is selling faster than hd did and for most people hd is now the normal expectation. They are selling it for same reason the tv manufacturers are, a reason for people to buy a new product. Again it is niche because there is not much support so it's a bit chicken and egg. I for one applaud them for doing it, you might also find that BT can push uhd across it's network cheaper than sky (certainly cheaper than talk talk) can across theirs so moving forwards it is a better bet for BT.

    It's also a great way for BT to sell fibre over copper ;-)
  • Michael GMichael G Posts: 876Member
    edited 21 December 2016, 11:29AM
    Visionman said:

    I believe thats referencing on demand content only. True uncompressed live 4K content (sport in this case) would require around 40Mbps using cutting edge encoding, Which is already achievable of course. But I can't help but wonder why?

    Why (if true) are both Sky and BT going to launch 4K this year? As as it stands atm its still a niche product. Brownie points? Bragging rights? Finger pointing giggles in the school playground between the two top dogs top two? I don't know, but its certainly a strange one if true. 

    I agree. In the tech industry it wouldn't be the first time a solution has arrived before the problem, and in doing so has created a new "need".

    In this case though, we're already seeing the kit, and some content, and this isn't any more than our 46" 1080p TV bought 4 years ago:

    http://www.johnlewis.com/lg-49ub850v-led-4k-ultra-hd-3d-smart-tv-49-with-freeview-hd-2x-3d-glasses/p...
    The content will come.
  • David8David8 Posts: 645Member ✭✭
    edited 15 December 2016, 1:16PM
    Visionman said:

    I believe thats referencing on demand content only. True uncompressed live 4K content (sport in this case) would require around 40Mbps using cutting edge encoding, Which is already achievable of course. But I can't help but wonder why?

    Why (if true) are both Sky and BT going to launch 4K this year? As as it stands atm its still a niche product. Brownie points? Bragging rights? Finger pointing giggles in the school playground between the two top dogs top two? I don't know, but its certainly a strange one if true. 

    The reasons are simple up selling , BT would benefit from customers moving to its top FTTC package if available however with 40mb requirement this would currently rule out some Infinity customers from using 4K.

    Sky's reasoning is simple hand out new hardware in return for a customer commiting to a new contract thus reducing the chances of customers defecting to BT , satellite 4K distribution would also mean the product is available to its entire customer base.
  • RoyRoy Posts: 14,818Member ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 7:39AM
    Visionman said:

    I believe thats referencing on demand content only. True uncompressed live 4K content (sport in this case) would require around 40Mbps using cutting edge encoding, Which is already achievable of course. But I can't help but wonder why?

    Why (if true) are both Sky and BT going to launch 4K this year? As as it stands atm its still a niche product. Brownie points? Bragging rights? Finger pointing giggles in the school playground between the two top dogs top two? I don't know, but its certainly a strange one if true. 

    Michael G said:-
    The content will come.

    And if it doesn't, we can always press a button on our 65" UHDs and turn them into an array of four 32" HD sets :-)
    Does HDMI stand for Hardly Dare Mention It?
  • Michael GMichael G Posts: 876Member
    edited 21 December 2016, 11:29AM
    Visionman said:

    I believe thats referencing on demand content only. True uncompressed live 4K content (sport in this case) would require around 40Mbps using cutting edge encoding, Which is already achievable of course. But I can't help but wonder why?

    Why (if true) are both Sky and BT going to launch 4K this year? As as it stands atm its still a niche product. Brownie points? Bragging rights? Finger pointing giggles in the school playground between the two top dogs top two? I don't know, but its certainly a strange one if true. 

    ...each showing a different HD channel. Percy Shaw would have loved it ;-)
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,188Member ✭✭✭
    edited 21 December 2016, 11:06PM
    Visionman said:

    I believe thats referencing on demand content only. True uncompressed live 4K content (sport in this case) would require around 40Mbps using cutting edge encoding, Which is already achievable of course. But I can't help but wonder why?

    Why (if true) are both Sky and BT going to launch 4K this year? As as it stands atm its still a niche product. Brownie points? Bragging rights? Finger pointing giggles in the school playground between the two top dogs top two? I don't know, but its certainly a strange one if true. 

    Now, an area I don't know much about... I read an article stating when 4K TV's (and content) begin to get traction, they will very quickly be switching to 8K tech. Is this true?
  • scottscott Posts: 1,890Member ✭✭✭
    edited 29 November 2016, 10:48AM
    Visionman said:

    I believe thats referencing on demand content only. True uncompressed live 4K content (sport in this case) would require around 40Mbps using cutting edge encoding, Which is already achievable of course. But I can't help but wonder why?

    Why (if true) are both Sky and BT going to launch 4K this year? As as it stands atm its still a niche product. Brownie points? Bragging rights? Finger pointing giggles in the school playground between the two top dogs top two? I don't know, but its certainly a strange one if true. 

    They will move from 4k to 8k about the same speed they changed from hd to 4k. Give it about 5 years and we will be talking about who is launching super ultra HD (or 8k if you prefer) :-)

    You have to make 4k mainstream before you move on and making 4k mainstream only really happens when you get the FTA psb's onboard. Can anyone see that happening within the next 5 years.
  • RoyRoy Posts: 14,818Member ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 7:39AM
    Visionman said:

    I believe thats referencing on demand content only. True uncompressed live 4K content (sport in this case) would require around 40Mbps using cutting edge encoding, Which is already achievable of course. But I can't help but wonder why?

    Why (if true) are both Sky and BT going to launch 4K this year? As as it stands atm its still a niche product. Brownie points? Bragging rights? Finger pointing giggles in the school playground between the two top dogs top two? I don't know, but its certainly a strange one if true. 

    UHD now adds maybe £200 over the cost of a comparable HD set, such that you can already find UHD sets in Samsung's range that cost less than better specified HD sets of the same screen size.

    Conversely, if you want a really well specified set, then you will find only UHD sets at that level these days. Albeit that £500 will buy you a 'midrange' spec that you could only dream of for under £1200 a couple of years back.

    And also that to have pixels no bigger than in a 32" HD set, a 65" set needs to be UHD.

    And I think it may well be more about that than about content per se.

    Watch a standard DVD on a UHD screen, and it is inventing about 96% of what you see, and even on a Bluray 75% of it. Blowed if I can tell, though.

    We may see prosumer 8K next year, and TVs in 2018, but I think Scott is on the money for 5 years to mainstream, affordable, 8K as the default option.
    Does HDMI stand for Hardly Dare Mention It?
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,188Member ✭✭✭
    edited 21 December 2016, 11:06PM
    Visionman said:

    I believe thats referencing on demand content only. True uncompressed live 4K content (sport in this case) would require around 40Mbps using cutting edge encoding, Which is already achievable of course. But I can't help but wonder why?

    Why (if true) are both Sky and BT going to launch 4K this year? As as it stands atm its still a niche product. Brownie points? Bragging rights? Finger pointing giggles in the school playground between the two top dogs top two? I don't know, but its certainly a strange one if true. 

    scott>
    You have to make 4k mainstream before you move on and making 4k mainstream only really happens when you get the FTA psb's onboard. Can anyone see that happening within the next 5 years.
    Over superfast BB, yes.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,188Member ✭✭✭
    edited 21 December 2016, 11:06PM
    Visionman said:

    I believe thats referencing on demand content only. True uncompressed live 4K content (sport in this case) would require around 40Mbps using cutting edge encoding, Which is already achievable of course. But I can't help but wonder why?

    Why (if true) are both Sky and BT going to launch 4K this year? As as it stands atm its still a niche product. Brownie points? Bragging rights? Finger pointing giggles in the school playground between the two top dogs top two? I don't know, but its certainly a strange one if true. 

    Roy>
    We may see prosumer 8K next year.
    For a few Sky and BT execs, probably. :)

    Unlike 3D, I am of the opinion UHD is here to stay and over time will evolve into mainstream. Indeed, this topic deserves a thread in its own right imo. YouView UHD... Hmmm
  • RoyRoy Posts: 14,818Member ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 7:39AM
    Visionman said:

    I believe thats referencing on demand content only. True uncompressed live 4K content (sport in this case) would require around 40Mbps using cutting edge encoding, Which is already achievable of course. But I can't help but wonder why?

    Why (if true) are both Sky and BT going to launch 4K this year? As as it stands atm its still a niche product. Brownie points? Bragging rights? Finger pointing giggles in the school playground between the two top dogs top two? I don't know, but its certainly a strange one if true. 

    One wonders if having UHD on the roadmap was a prerequisite of NetFlix coming on board, since they will be offering this on their service? Just as they do with surround sound..... Ah
    Does HDMI stand for Hardly Dare Mention It?
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,188Member ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 1:50PM
    Re the Premier League - all indications are D-Day will be Friday. Darroch mentioned it. BT have said nothing. 
  • scottscott Posts: 1,890Member ✭✭✭
    edited 29 November 2016, 10:48AM
    Visionman said:

    Re the Premier League - all indications are D-Day will be Friday. Darroch mentioned it. BT have said nothing. 

    Friday is the deadline for the first round of tenders.  I would expect there to almost certainly be a second round (I can't see someone totally blowing the other bids out the water as happened in the champions league) and we will find out the final outcomes in March...
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,188Member ✭✭✭
    edited 21 December 2016, 11:06PM
    Visionman said:

    Re the Premier League - all indications are D-Day will be Friday. Darroch mentioned it. BT have said nothing. 

    The auction could even be over tomorrow, scott. Whether that happens or not remains to be seen. The only constant in this bidding process is that both companies will be throwing the kitchen sink at it, with BT looking to improve their current package line up. Which would have implications for YouView in regard to a further increase in user numbers. I just wonder if TalkTalk will also get aboard this time round.
  • scottscott Posts: 1,890Member ✭✭✭
    edited 29 November 2016, 10:48AM
    Visionman said:

    Re the Premier League - all indications are D-Day will be Friday. Darroch mentioned it. BT have said nothing. 

    OK march was pushing it... The money is on next week after a second round of bids.
  • Paul19Paul19 Posts: 116Member
    edited 17 December 2016, 7:18PM
    Visionman said:

    Re the Premier League - all indications are D-Day will be Friday. Darroch mentioned it. BT have said nothing. 

    I have my reservations over how much BT bid for, with the Champions Cup signed and the recent purchase of EE, I think BT will bottle it and keep the same or even obtain less football. I hope I'm wrong would love to see Sky get a bloody. If Sky do loose the majority of football rights I firmly believe this will hit their profit and subscriber numbers. There was never a better time for BT to go for the kill, if they have the bottle!
  • scottscott Posts: 1,890Member ✭✭✭
    edited 29 November 2016, 10:48AM
    Visionman said:

    Re the Premier League - all indications are D-Day will be Friday. Darroch mentioned it. BT have said nothing. 

    So nothing known today and all packages open for second round bids... On till next Friday then...
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,188Member ✭✭✭
    edited 21 December 2016, 11:06PM
    Visionman said:

    Re the Premier League - all indications are D-Day will be Friday. Darroch mentioned it. BT have said nothing. 

    Indeed. Which is a strong indicator that bids from all parties concerned were close, or if there are just Sky and BT involved, neither were happy with the previous status quo result. I could say what I think will happen, but that would of course be ultimately pointless. :)
  • David8David8 Posts: 645Member ✭✭
    edited 15 December 2016, 1:16PM
    Visionman said:

    Re the Premier League - all indications are D-Day will be Friday. Darroch mentioned it. BT have said nothing. 

    Sky Sports wins 126 games , BT wins 36 games.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,188Member ✭✭✭
    edited 21 December 2016, 11:06PM
    Visionman said:

    Re the Premier League - all indications are D-Day will be Friday. Darroch mentioned it. BT have said nothing. 

    Premier League Packs 2016 - 2019


    Package A: 28 at Sat 12.30pm
     - SKY
    - 6 1st picks
    - 14 2nd picks
    - 8 5th picks

    Package B: 28 at Sat 5.30pm - BT
    - 9 1st picks
    - 12 3rd picks
    - 7 5th picks

    Package C: 28 at Sun 1.30pm/2.15pm - SKY
    - 15 2nd picks
    - 6 4th picks
    - 7 5th picks

    Package D: 28 at Sun 4pm/4.30pm - SKY
    - 18 1st picks
    - 10 4th picks

    Package E: 28 at Mon 8pm (min 18) or Fri 7.30pm/8pm (max 10) - SKY
    - 15 3rd picks
    - 13 4th picks

    Package F: 6 midweek; 8 at Sat 12.30pm or Sat 5.30pm or Sun 12pm - BT
    - 3 1st picks
    - 7 2nd picks
    - 4 4th picks

    Package G: 8 Bank Hols; 6 at Sun 1.30pm/2.15pm or Sun 4pm/4.30pm - SKY
    - 2 1st picks
    - 2 2nd picks
    - 8 3rd picks
    - 2 4th picks


    Total amount paid £5.14bn. An overall 70% increase. 

    Sky - £4.18bn, up from £2.3bn, almost double what they paid last time. BT - £960m, up from £738m, which is only an 18% increase. Interesting.
  • David8David8 Posts: 645Member ✭✭
    edited 15 December 2016, 1:16PM
    Visionman said:

    Re the Premier League - all indications are D-Day will be Friday. Darroch mentioned it. BT have said nothing. 

    Taken from an excellent source on DS forums

    Cost movements INCLUDING CL (all per year):

    Current (2014/15):
    Sky - £760m + £80m = £840m
    BT - £246m + £0 = £246m

    Future (2016/17):
    Sky - £1,392m + £0 = £1,392m
    BT - £320m + £299m = £619m

    Changes:
    Sky - up £552m (up 66%)
    BT - up £373m (up 152%)

    One year in the middle (2015/16):
    Sky - £760m
    BT - £545m
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,188Member ✭✭✭
    edited 21 December 2016, 11:06PM
    Visionman said:

    Re the Premier League - all indications are D-Day will be Friday. Darroch mentioned it. BT have said nothing. 

    Damn abacus. Correction to the above - BT have incurred a 30% increase (not 18).
  • Paul19Paul19 Posts: 116Member
    edited 17 December 2016, 7:18PM
    Visionman said:

    Re the Premier League - all indications are D-Day will be Friday. Darroch mentioned it. BT have said nothing. 

    Well it looks like I have to admit being wrong over this football deal, yes Sky got the majority with BT getting four additional games, but the cost per game for BT is a lot less that Sky paid. A look at the Sky forums and their subscribers are not happy with the impending subscription increases. They refers to BT playing a blinder showing every Saturday game, a Champions League and Europa League, with BT only charging if you want CL/EL content. It seems BT could end up with more subscribers with their contend and pricing, also you can now subscribe to Sky Sports via BT. The Sky subscribers also say Sky look silly saying BT paid over the odds for European football when it's obvious Sky have massively overpaid for these tights. That's without the current Ofcom review of football rights. Interesting to see how the respective shared react tomorrow?
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