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  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,334Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:06AM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    No, no it isn't. I agree. Most football fans go to the games red, but I get what you mean.

    Now will TT finally throw their hat in the ring? Because its there if they want it. 
  • redchizredchiz Posts: 4,837Member ✭✭✭
    edited 20 December 2016, 1:57PM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    Fair point and I get what you mean too, I would probably describe those who go to the game as supporters rather than fans, although I would also regard myself as having been and continuing to be both from time to time. But let's not get bogged down in semantics, I don't think we are arguing about the huge appetite for and commercial value of live football on TV. And the fact that those who enjoy the game are at the mercy of those who exploit it for their own commercial aims.

    Your final comment about TalkTalk bemuses me though, are you thinking that a a whipper-snapper like them can take on the might of Sky or BT when it comes to exclusive rights? Or what?
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,334Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:06AM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    Absolutely not. This content will be made available on the Sky and Virgin Media platforms as well. And its there for the taking if TalkTalk want it.
  • David8David8 Posts: 645Member ✭✭
    edited 15 December 2016, 2:16PM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    The content isn't available on a wholesale basis to any TV provider with a broadband service on the Openreach network.

    Sky said they were open to talks on wholesaling Atlantic funny nobody else has it.

    Saying you've been in talks and are open to making it available doesn't always mean exactly that.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,334Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:06AM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    Please make your point... bluntly.
  • David8David8 Posts: 645Member ✭✭
    edited 15 December 2016, 2:16PM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    My opinion is pretty self explanatory.

    However here goes , BT went into sport to boost its broadband sales and as a way of retaining BB subscribers agreed ?

    In my opinion wholesaling it's sports content to its biggest Openreach broadband competitors doesn't make sense and hence why no wholesale agreement is in place with either Sky or TT.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,334Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:06AM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    Some very interesting points you bring up there, David. I don't agree with any of em like, but they are interesting.
  • David8David8 Posts: 645Member ✭✭
    edited 15 December 2016, 2:16PM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    Agree or not facts are facts , no TV provider who sells BB on the Openreach network has wholesale access to BT Sport.

    Why is that in your opinion ?
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,334Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:06AM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    This is going to be a long one, so forgive me...

    BT offered BT Sport to both Virgin Media and TalkTalk. VM said yes, TT said no. The fact TT are on an Openreach BB network is irrelevant. BT have not offered it to Sky, and nor will they ever do unless forced to.

    I know how much Virgin Media paid for BT Sport and its peanuts compared to Sky. Anyhow, of the 4.7m user base, 20% of VM users take Sky Sports as a premium package on varying scales of cost, and wholesale (WMO) SS1 & 2 costs £25.34 plus VAT per user. Where BT Sport is concerned, BTS 1 & 2 costs VM £2.75 plus VAT per user, as such, VM crunched some numbers and decided they could easily offer BT Sport for 'free' for Virgin XL pack users. For they, it was a no-brainer.

    I also know what the deal offered for BT Sport was on the TalkTalk platform, and it was even less than what BT offered it to VM for, because their platform is much smaller. So TT also crunched some numbers, but said no, because their budget demographic is completely different to VM's pay model, in that of TT's 1.4m user base only 25% take Boost packages, and of those, only 2% take Sky Sports. And because both BT and VM offer it for 'free', they also wanted to offer it for free or not at all (meaning they'd get bad PR if they didn't). So after crunching the numbers they realised that if they did, they would lose money on the deal (be loss making) and so said no. For TT it just didn't add up.

    I'll talk about the Sky situation a minute, kids stuff to attend to. :)
  • roger1roger1 Posts: 67Member
    edited 30 May 2015, 10:38PM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    Visionman is perhaps forgetting the OFCOM "pay TV wholesale must-offer obligation". This obliges Sky to offer Sky Sports SD channels on a wholesale basis to BT. This was confirmed last year and Sky reluctantly agreed to honour the commitment..

    BT chooses not to offer BT Sport channels to Sky on a wholesale basis, (at least not on a competitive basis). Thus Sky customers have to contract with BT.

    Sky asked OFCOM to look again at the pay tv market to see if the must-offer obligation is still needed.

    OFCOM has consulted and I believe has yet to publish the conclusions.
    http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/wholesale-must-offer/

    On a separate note, perhaps to demonstrate the "value of BT Sport", BT has doubled the price it notionally charges for BT Sport channels for non-fibre customers. Last year I reported in this thread it was £6.75 pm. Eleven months later it is £13.50. The price is notional as an equivalent discount is provided if certain conditions are met.
  • David8David8 Posts: 645Member ✭✭
    edited 15 December 2016, 2:16PM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    I'm sorry Visionman but I'm not sure I believe much of your post , forum users generally don't know info from commercially sensitive negotiations.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,334Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:06AM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    Sky -

    BT will never offer BT Sport to Sky for one reason, and one reason only. BT make it included for any and every BT BB user they have. They call it 'free', I call it included. Its their USP (unique selling point) to boost its broadband sales and to stop the erosion of its existing BB subscriber base from defecting to Sky and other BB providers.

    BT know if they were to wholesale these sport channels to Sky, they would do one thing and one thing only with it. They would give them away for free. And I literally mean free. This would would both negate and destroy BT broadband's USP and its considerable investment in their new sports venture. So its BT that said 'no'.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,334Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:06AM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    Roger>
    Visionman is perhaps forgetting the OFCOM "pay TV wholesale must-offer obligation".
    That was in my post above? It would appear you missed it.
    On a separate note, perhaps to demonstrate the "value of BT Sport", BT has doubled the price it notionally charges for BT Sport channels for non-fibre customers. Last year I reported in this thread it was £6.75 pm. Eleven months later it is £13.50. The price is notional as an equivalent discount is provided if certain conditions are met.
    Via the Sky platform thats a deliberate commercial strategy. 
  • David8David8 Posts: 645Member ✭✭
    edited 15 December 2016, 2:16PM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    The landline payer is also paying for BT Sport whether they want it or not , line rental saver was £11.75 a month less than 18 months ago it went up to £13.32 and has now increased again to £14.15 a month.
  • David8David8 Posts: 645Member ✭✭
    edited 15 December 2016, 2:16PM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    Thanks for reinforcing what I'd originally said , BT doesn't wholesale to anyone with broadband on the Openreach network , and why would they considering it now accounts for two thirds of the FTTC connections on the Openreach network more than Sky and Talk Talk combined.
  • RoyRoy Posts: 15,055Member ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:39AM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    David

    As you said, facts are facts. Your scepticism about Visionman having in his possession the facts about pricing that he laid out above leads, I think to one of three conclusions:-

    (i) Visionman is a fantasist and is making this stuff up;
    (ii) Visionman has access to commercially sensitive information whose publication is restricted, so he has just broken an NDA, or at least a confidence;
    (iii) Visionman has taken publicly available information and posted it here, as he has a perfect right to do.

    I have every confidence that he will be able to provide a URL to back up (iii).

    Or perhaps he will provide a (iv)?
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  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,334Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:06AM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    Virgin Media will pay around £75m a year for three years to carry BT Sport, it is understood.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/media/10244390/BT-Sport-s...

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/aug/15/bt-sport-virgin-media-tv
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,334Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:06AM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    Re the Champions League launch -
     The big push will begin a week on Tuesday when the company will host a launch of “the next exciting chapter in the BT Sport story” at its television studios in the Olympic Park.
    We know that new technology will be at the centre of this pitch to consumers. BT will seek to tempt Sky subscribers by unveiling a new set-top box capable of delivering ultra-high-definition pictures, to those few who have so far invested in a screen that is capable of showing them.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/digital-media/11637414/Sk...

    Never mind the sport. Whats the betting this is a YouView box?

  • David8David8 Posts: 645Member ✭✭
    edited 15 December 2016, 2:16PM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    To be fair I'd already read those articles and was fully aware of the deal with Virgin , I'm more interested about your comments with regards to Talk Talk.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,334Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:06AM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    I've said all I can, as far as I know. I also said it it good faith as well, and its certainly been an interesting debate. :)
  • zulu17zulu17 Posts: 921Member ✭✭
    edited 14 December 2016, 10:35PM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    I seem to remember an earlier Telegraph article which stated :

    Dido Harding, the company’s chief executive of TalkTalk, said: “Everybody thinks were should care about football but we really, genuinely don’t.
  • redchizredchiz Posts: 4,837Member ✭✭✭
    edited 20 December 2016, 1:57PM
    Visionman said:

    Its been announced BT will reveal their prices for next season on the 9th June.

    http://www.cityam.com/216705/bt-reveal-how-much-fans-will-pay-watch-champions-league

    I can't wait to see Sky's face when they are announced.

    I think Dido Harding is a realist and TalkTalk cannot afford to engage in the corporate megalomania that sometimes afflicts those who are used to dominating markets with near-monopolistic practices.
  • David8David8 Posts: 645Member ✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 10:48PM
    @Visionman

    So no way of confirming , thanks but I'll stick to my original views. The only people who know anything about such commercially sensitive negotiations generally don't post on a public forum.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,334Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:06AM
    David8 said:

    @Visionman

    So no way of confirming , thanks but I'll stick to my original views. The only people who know anything about such commercially sensitive negotiations generally don't post on a public forum.

    No probs.

    It was TT that confirmed they were in talks with BT for the channels -

    TalkTalk eyes BT Sport

    'TalkTalk commercial director Tristia Clarke said the channels would complement its Sky Sports package, which it offers to subscribers on a monthly basis.

    “We’re talking to BT. As Sky do, they will look for points of distribution. The channels won’t be there for launch but we are talking to them,” said Clarke. “It would be a way to drive incremental revenue in the same way we do with Sky.” '

    Full article -

    17 May, 2013 

    TalkTalk is in discussions about distributing the BT Sport channels on YouView, as the quadplay provider moves to beef up its TV offering.

    TalkTalk, a shareholder in YouView along with BT, Arqiva and the terrestrial broadcasters, revealed it signed up 150,000 subscribers to the IPTV service in the first three months of 2012, taking its total base to 230,000.

    The ISP, which provides its high-end Talk Talk Plus TV customers with a free YouView box and subscription if they extend their contract, is focussed on offering more kids, entertainment and movie content – but sees sport as a potentially valuable addition.

    TalkTalk commercial director Tristia Clarke said the channels would complement its Sky Sports package, which it offers to subscribers on a monthly basis.

    “We’re talking to BT. As Sky do, they will look for points of distribution. The channels won’t be there for launch but we are talking to them,” said Clarke. “It would be a way to drive incremental revenue in the same way we do with Sky.”

    She added that 20% of TalkTalk’s TV subscribers had paid for content, with kids show Peppa Pig and Life Of Pi film among the most popular.

    TalkTalk also sees an opportunity to beef up its portfolio of live streamed foreign-language channels, beyond the current Star and Star Plus offering, due to the close fit with its international telephone packages.

    It is close to finalising a deal with aggregator Thema which distributes a raft of Arabic, African, Caribbean and Polish channels wholesale.

    Clarke is also keen to keep innovating and along with the launch of a mobile remote record app, plans to integrate the live streaming channels into the main YouView EPG to boost exposure form their current position in the TalkTalk portal.

    “People spend the majority of their time in the YouView EPG and it is a journey to the TalkTalk player,” she said. “Over time we are looking at streaming our live channels through the main EPG.”

    Separately, Talk Talk is planning to offer entry package customers a free basic YouView box that does not offer PVR functionality when they renew.

    http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/talktalk-eyes-bt-sport/5056224.article (subscription)

  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,334Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:06AM
    David8 said:

    @Visionman

    So no way of confirming , thanks but I'll stick to my original views. The only people who know anything about such commercially sensitive negotiations generally don't post on a public forum.

    But earlier they had said this -

    TalkTalk backs Peppa Pig over BT's Premier League football

    TalkTalk chief executive Dido Harding has insisted her firm does not need to respond to BT’s high-profile offer of free sports channels for broadband subscribers, as she prepares to deliver annual results on Thursday.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/telecoms/10059930/TalkTal...

    "fundamentally we’re just not in the premium sports game.

    “The reality is if you want premium sports you’re not going to be a TalkTalk customer. We’re not the right place for you to be and we’re really relaxed about that."

  • David8David8 Posts: 645Member ✭✭
    edited 15 December 2016, 2:16PM
    David8 said:

    @Visionman

    So no way of confirming , thanks but I'll stick to my original views. The only people who know anything about such commercially sensitive negotiations generally don't post on a public forum.

    To be fair I've read all that before , I was more interested in the fact you claimed to know what price BT had offered a wholesale deal to Talk Talk for the BT Sport channels. The posting of these links just proves its all guess work on your behalf , but thanks for taking the time.

  • RoyRoy Posts: 15,055Member ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:39AM
    David8 said:

    @Visionman

    So no way of confirming , thanks but I'll stick to my original views. The only people who know anything about such commercially sensitive negotiations generally don't post on a public forum.

    Yes, I'm looking for £25.34 and £2.75, with or without VAT, in those links Visionman provided and not seeing it.

    Hmmmm......hydrodigital jobbie?
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  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,334Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:06AM
    David8 said:

    @Visionman

    So no way of confirming , thanks but I'll stick to my original views. The only people who know anything about such commercially sensitive negotiations generally don't post on a public forum.

    Hi Roy,

    WMO prices - SS1 £17.01, SS2 £16.80. SS 1&2 £25.34 (all plus VAT). These are the new prices wef today.

    The VM £2.75 was simple math - £75m / number of Virgin XL users. Or its 55p per customer across Virgins whole user base. I didn't say how much it was offered to TT for and nor will I either. So I can understand the scepticism and thats fair enough. Its all a bit b-t-b now though, as TT said no. 
  • David8David8 Posts: 645Member ✭✭
    edited 15 December 2016, 2:16PM
    David8 said:

    @Visionman

    So no way of confirming , thanks but I'll stick to my original views. The only people who know anything about such commercially sensitive negotiations generally don't post on a public forum.

    In a similar way that everybody said no to Sky Atlantic lol.
  • David8David8 Posts: 645Member ✭✭
    edited 15 December 2016, 2:16PM
    David8 said:

    @Visionman

    So no way of confirming , thanks but I'll stick to my original views. The only people who know anything about such commercially sensitive negotiations generally don't post on a public forum.

    The press are stating an extra £5 , seems a bit steep to me just to watch European Football , hopefully there'll be some more surprises otherwise I'm considerably underwhelmed.
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