Arqiva launches range of channels on YouView

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  • RoyRoy Posts: 15,055Member ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:39AM
    MattMan said:

    Redchiz I think they have taken you comment down, but it did make me laugh. 

    I can't see what would be interesting on a channel about an insurance company anyway.....
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  • JoeJoe Posts: 2,000Member ✭✭✭
    edited 4 December 2014, 2:14PM
    Joe2 said:

    Hello Youview. Is there any chance of presenting these channels in their correct aspect ratio? I'm looking at vintage tv stretched into 16:9 from 4:3 It would be good if it was consistent with the rest of Youview. Thanks

    Ha ha yes I loved my zx spectrum 48k :) and yes 4:3 I meant ( now edited ) it's funny how they do the stretchy thing - you wouldn't want to look at your family photos stretched and out of proportion, it wouldn't seem right, so why do it with televisual pictures? This morning I briefly watched a video of madonna looking more like a squat rugby player- it's not quite the same thing :)
  • RoyRoy Posts: 15,055Member ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:39AM
    Joe2 said:

    Hello Youview. Is there any chance of presenting these channels in their correct aspect ratio? I'm looking at vintage tv stretched into 16:9 from 4:3 It would be good if it was consistent with the rest of Youview. Thanks

    Mac versus PC or Android versus iOS are gentle murmurings compared to the stretchvision controversy :-)

    I don't know about rugby players, but stretchyvision aficionados are entirely happy with cars whose wheels are like rugby balls.

    Search the Community for the word 'stretchyvision' and feast your eyes on the pros and cons of the debate....
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  • gsvalentinegsvalentine Posts: 147Member
    edited 20 March 2017, 5:24PM
    I see that Planet Knowledge has just been added to channel number 245. Anyone know, if this channel will with work YouView at any point in the future?
  • zulu17zulu17 Posts: 921Member ✭✭
    edited 1 March 2017, 11:49AM
    Looks like some mux changes are/have occuring - so for a while these channels may be available  on two muxes and two channel positions.

     240 Motors moved from COM5/ARQ A to COM4/SDN.

    242 Vintage TV moved from COM5/ARQ A to COM4/SDN.

    Motors added to 792 (COM5/ARQ A)

    Vintage TV added to  793 (COM5/ARQ A


    Youview appears to handle the changes automatically
  • ozsatozsat Posts: 6Member
    edited 21 December 2014, 1:59PM
    Joe2 said:

    Hello Youview. Is there any chance of presenting these channels in their correct aspect ratio? I'm looking at vintage tv stretched into 16:9 from 4:3 It would be good if it was consistent with the rest of Youview. Thanks

    It is the same on all platforms  -  Vintage are not doing any switching between 4:3 and 16:9.

    They used too - but stopped many months ago so now everything is stuck in widescreen - stretching most of the videos.
  • SanjSanj Posts: 1,644Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited 21 December 2016, 7:56PM

    Can't get any of these to work on a Humax DTR-T1000 retail box. After pressing the red button I get the error message:

    There seems to be a problem accessing the content, please try later.
    Error code: 24464-803

    Any ideas?

    Bob.

    @Shaun - Now that TalkTalk are rolling out the latest software, TalkTalk customers will be able to view these channels using the Red Button too if they have downloaded the latest software. It is a phased roll-out which should be complete by 30th January 2015 as mentioned in their release notes. 
  • mike.alexandermike.alexander Posts: 46Member
    edited 23 February 2015, 9:56PM

    I see that Planet Knowledge has just been added to channel number 245. Anyone know, if this channel will with work YouView at any point in the future?

    Gordon, Planet Knowledge on 245 uses the "MHEG-IC" technology from the Freeview specification (the "D-Book"), which isn't supported by YouView boxes.
  • JoeJoe Posts: 2,000Member ✭✭✭
    edited 23 February 2015, 10:03PM

    I see that Planet Knowledge has just been added to channel number 245. Anyone know, if this channel will with work YouView at any point in the future?

    Yes see this recent discussion here for the reason for the incompatibility of this channel with Youview: https://community.youview.com/youview...
  • JoeJoe Posts: 2,000Member ✭✭✭
    edited 23 February 2015, 10:05PM

    I see that Planet Knowledge has just been added to channel number 245. Anyone know, if this channel will with work YouView at any point in the future?

    It comes down to a commercial barrier for the channel not being on Youview. Shame
  • JoeJoe Posts: 2,000Member ✭✭✭
    edited 23 February 2015, 10:07PM
    Joe2 said:

    Hello Youview. Is there any chance of presenting these channels in their correct aspect ratio? I'm looking at vintage tv stretched into 16:9 from 4:3 It would be good if it was consistent with the rest of Youview. Thanks

    Come on Youview (Sanj) can you have a word with the vintage tv owners to sort out this aspect ratio problem - it's been a long time now
  • RoyRoy Posts: 15,055Member ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:39AM

    I see that Planet Knowledge has just been added to channel number 245. Anyone know, if this channel will with work YouView at any point in the future?

    No, this is a technical barrier at present. The commercial barrier comes later :-)
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  • JoeJoe Posts: 2,000Member ✭✭✭
    edited 23 February 2015, 11:14PM

    I see that Planet Knowledge has just been added to channel number 245. Anyone know, if this channel will with work YouView at any point in the future?

    Agreed if the only route is to use the freeview hd standard of MHEG-IC which Youview won't implement. However Mike Alexander has said that they could technically use Youviews new standards for unicast, but that the cost is commercially prohibitive.
  • mike.alexandermike.alexander Posts: 46Member
    edited 25 February 2015, 8:59AM

    I see that Planet Knowledge has just been added to channel number 245. Anyone know, if this channel will with work YouView at any point in the future?

    To be clear, the commercial barrier is not related to unicast or any other technology/infrastructure.
  • JoeJoe Posts: 2,000Member ✭✭✭
    edited 24 February 2015, 11:00AM

    I see that Planet Knowledge has just been added to channel number 245. Anyone know, if this channel will with work YouView at any point in the future?

    Youview - Sanj without divulging any sensitive commercial figures, would you say that your charges for iptv channels (like connect channels) are within line of industry expectations ie comparable to what similar iptv channels are charged on freeview HD? I'm worried as a Youview user that the Youview platform may be charging too much for this service and are possibly there by holding back the growth of this area on the platform. It seems channels such as Vutv and planet knowledge are restrained from joining due to possible high charges. I also wonder whether this is the same reason for Nowtv not bringing their live linear channels to Youview and thereby the full nowtv entertainment package? I would really appreciate some feedback on this, though I appreciate much of this is commercially sensitive.
  • JoeJoe Posts: 2,000Member ✭✭✭
    edited 24 February 2015, 12:29PM

    I see that Planet Knowledge has just been added to channel number 245. Anyone know, if this channel will with work YouView at any point in the future?

    There has been an interesting ongoing discussion in another thread about this issue. I quote below Mike Alexander from that discussion, who has indicated that there are commercial barriers for certain providers (knowledge tv, vutv etc)in bringing more iptv channels to Youview. It has also been hinted in that discussion that perhaps the Arqiva owned Connect channels may have a special preferential rate due to Arqiva being stakeholders in Youview.

    " Actually, we'd be willing to pay something to make our services available via YouView. Our issue is that the way this is currently structured commercially makes it unviable for us." - Mike Alexander.

    This appears to me to be a big issue, and one that is hampering the growth of non Youview stakeholders launching their iptv channels on Youview. What would the bbc Trust have to say about this?
  • mike.alexandermike.alexander Posts: 46Member
    edited 25 February 2015, 9:00AM

    I see that Planet Knowledge has just been added to channel number 245. Anyone know, if this channel will with work YouView at any point in the future?

    Joe said:
    It has also been hinted in that discussion that perhaps the Arqiva owned Connect channels may have a special preferential rate due to Arqiva being stakeholders in Youview.
    I did say I don't believe Arqiva have a special rate per se, but that as a YouView shareholder, the reasons they could commercially justify the costs are likely to be different to those of a non-YouView shareholder.
  • SomersetBobSomersetBob Posts: 208Member
    edited 17 December 2016, 2:36PM
    Visionman said:

    Nice one YouView Team and you said 'some channels' would be coming only a few short weeks ago.

    From a technical perspective, are these delivered via pure MHEG-IC, HTML5 or a mixture of the two?

    I have the same error using Technicolor router from Plusnet. The only setting for multicast exposed in the UI is for wireless and is enabled. Anybody have some tips?
    PS I have posted the same question with more details in the Problems section.
  • Andrew MillerAndrew Miller Posts: 2Member
    edited 6 March 2017, 10:48PM
    It would be great if these were available on Freeview 'Lite' areas.
  • RoyRoy Posts: 15,055Member ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:39AM

    It would be great if these were available on Freeview 'Lite' areas.

    If you have control over your aerial and its placement, try talking to a local aerial installer about DXing to your nearest FreeView Full transmitter.

    When we had no stereo on our local transmitter, back in 1997, and no prospect of it inside two years, we had a specialist aerial to pull in Sutton Coldfield, which did have stereo, from over 50 miles away.

    That was in the old analogue days, but the principle is the same even in these digital ones.
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  • JoeJoe Posts: 2,000Member ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 10:36AM
    Sanj/ Phil/ Youview,


    After looking at this official reply from Sanj in this thread from 6 months ago :


    "Hi Gordon, with the current implementation of channels delivered via IP, this was the best way to deliver these channels to our customers. This is the first phase of an on-going project and we'll keep you posted with any further developments. "


    Is it time for a quick update on progress here? Sanj's reply above was in the context of Gordon mentioning about having to use the red button to access the iptv channel stream. From Sanj's direct reply it could be inferred that a future update could do away with the need to press the red button to access the stream. In light of this I have a few questions for Youview:


    1.Could Youview confirm whether the need to press the red button to access iptv channel streams will be removed in a future update?

    2. Could Youview also confirm whether these channels will become recordable in future?

    3. Could Youview confirm whether or not future Nowtv live channels will be in the EPG, and whether they will be recordable?

    4. When does phase 2 begin? Or when can we expect to see the results of the next phase of the implementation of iptv channels?


    Thanks
  • JoeJoe Posts: 2,000Member ✭✭✭
    edited 20 May 2015, 2:35PM
    Joe2 said:

    Sanj/ Phil/ Youview,


    After looking at this official reply from Sanj in this thread from 6 months ago :


    "Hi Gordon, with the current implementation of channels delivered via IP, this was the best way to deliver these channels to our customers. This is the first phase of an on-going project and we'll keep you posted with any further developments. "


    Is it time for a quick update on progress here? Sanj's reply above was in the context of Gordon mentioning about having to use the red button to access the iptv channel stream. From Sanj's direct reply it could be inferred that a future update could do away with the need to press the red button to access the stream. In light of this I have a few questions for Youview:


    1.Could Youview confirm whether the need to press the red button to access iptv channel streams will be removed in a future update?

    2. Could Youview also confirm whether these channels will become recordable in future?

    3. Could Youview confirm whether or not future Nowtv live channels will be in the EPG, and whether they will be recordable?

    4. When does phase 2 begin? Or when can we expect to see the results of the next phase of the implementation of iptv channels?


    Thanks

    Sanj - it would be great if you could update us on this, and hopefully answer some of the questions above. This is in my view the last big underdeveloped area on Youview. Part of the basic functionality that should form the backbone of the Complete Youview service.
    Multicast delivery has been established for the ISP' s extra linear channels, which took much time and resources. In contrast the implementation of unicast linear channels accessable by all Youview users, leaves a lot to be desired.
    Will we soon see the next phase of development for unicast iptv channels? With the ability to record,pause, rewind etc to put them on equal footing with the ISp's multicast channels? Or if this is not in Youviews plans, could you please end this speculation and let us all know?
    Thanks
  • JoeJoe Posts: 2,000Member ✭✭✭
    edited 20 May 2015, 3:42PM
    Joe2 said:

    Sanj/ Phil/ Youview,


    After looking at this official reply from Sanj in this thread from 6 months ago :


    "Hi Gordon, with the current implementation of channels delivered via IP, this was the best way to deliver these channels to our customers. This is the first phase of an on-going project and we'll keep you posted with any further developments. "


    Is it time for a quick update on progress here? Sanj's reply above was in the context of Gordon mentioning about having to use the red button to access the iptv channel stream. From Sanj's direct reply it could be inferred that a future update could do away with the need to press the red button to access the stream. In light of this I have a few questions for Youview:


    1.Could Youview confirm whether the need to press the red button to access iptv channel streams will be removed in a future update?

    2. Could Youview also confirm whether these channels will become recordable in future?

    3. Could Youview confirm whether or not future Nowtv live channels will be in the EPG, and whether they will be recordable?

    4. When does phase 2 begin? Or when can we expect to see the results of the next phase of the implementation of iptv channels?


    Thanks

    The current implementation is frustrating, as iptv channel delivery in the EPG, available to all, has massive potential and is almost certainly the future of television delivery, and yet it remains in this underdeveloped state presently on Youview. I imagine in the future all our television channels will be delivered as iptv channels.

    If iptv were developed to its potential it could mean a cheaper way to deliver the extra HD channels that we don't currently have access to on freeview/Youview. 
    It could also be a way for the extra live linear streams of big events like the Olympics to be broadcast along side other channels in the EPG, and therefore make them recordable. It could also be used to incorporate the live linear channels from services like Nowtv into the EPG, and also treat them like regular recordable channels. The same for other over the top channel providers.

    There is a massive potential here for iptv, which has been overlooked so far in the development of Youview. We have a strong platform, with great catch up and on demand content (with the potential for more hopefully), Apps, and pay options through isp's. But we still lack a decent implementation of iptv channels available to all Youview users

    IPTV channels need to be developed so they can sit alongside other channels in the EPG equally, as proper grown up recordable channels ready for the big time. There should be nothing to distinguish them from the regular digital teresstrial channels.
    The current implementation is not good enough, and fails to meet our expectations of future tv delivery. They are currently non recordable, without pause rewind trick play options, and require the pressing of the red button to access, the quality of the streams is also debatable.

    Youview has a chance here to stand out and really push the boat and show the future of linear TV delivery for all - not just for the ISP subscribers. I would hope that the BBC as a share holder would be able to promote this issue, and keep the platform an open one.

    This subject has been talked about many times on this forum, and is currently hotly debated around the future implementation of the Nowtv linear channels. There are some great posts by Nick and others that also echo this same sentiment :

    ipTV linear channels: When will these arrive, which will they be and can they be recorded?

    ITV2 HD, ITV3 HD, ITV4 HD, Film4 HD and 5 HD available to all via ipTV?

    NowTV Entertainment and Sport Bundles - Will these EVER be on YouView??

    If we can have some kind of update Sanj it would be greatly appreciated.
  • RoyRoy Posts: 15,055Member ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 10:48PM
    Is it just my imagination, or are we getting louder and louder while YouView themselves are getting quieter and quieter?
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  • redchizredchiz Posts: 4,837Member ✭✭✭
    edited 20 December 2016, 1:57PM
    Roy1 said:

    Is it just my imagination, or are we getting louder and louder while YouView themselves are getting quieter and quieter?

    Nah, that's just you mate. ;)
  • JoeJoe Posts: 2,000Member ✭✭✭
    edited 20 May 2015, 11:48PM
    Roy1 said:

    Is it just my imagination, or are we getting louder and louder while YouView themselves are getting quieter and quieter?

    I think your right Roy. We used to get more feedback on issues such as this, at least some acknowledgement , and basic idea of where IP delivery is going in the future would be good. I can't see how that could hurt, unless of course it continues to remains under developed, and cost prohibitive for new IP content providers.

    Really interested to see what freeview play do with this area. I noted in the spec of freeview play there is provision for " free to air IP channels in the EPG". Hope Youview are taking note.
    I'm still concerned that charges forced on IP channel providers by Youview will kill this important area of development on the platform, where as on freeview play it could potentially flourish with low costs and open standards - I think at that point I would consider leaving Youview for the platform that supports free to air IP channels in the EPG.
    It's a big complicated issue, and one that I think we need some reassurances on, or at least an insight into where it's all going. After all many of us have been keen supporters of Youview since the beginning, it would be nice to let us know a bit more about this ( in my view) last big piece of the Youview puzzle.
  • SanjSanj Posts: 1,644Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited 21 December 2016, 7:57PM
    Joe2 said:

    Sanj/ Phil/ Youview,


    After looking at this official reply from Sanj in this thread from 6 months ago :


    "Hi Gordon, with the current implementation of channels delivered via IP, this was the best way to deliver these channels to our customers. This is the first phase of an on-going project and we'll keep you posted with any further developments. "


    Is it time for a quick update on progress here? Sanj's reply above was in the context of Gordon mentioning about having to use the red button to access the iptv channel stream. From Sanj's direct reply it could be inferred that a future update could do away with the need to press the red button to access the stream. In light of this I have a few questions for Youview:


    1.Could Youview confirm whether the need to press the red button to access iptv channel streams will be removed in a future update?

    2. Could Youview also confirm whether these channels will become recordable in future?

    3. Could Youview confirm whether or not future Nowtv live channels will be in the EPG, and whether they will be recordable?

    4. When does phase 2 begin? Or when can we expect to see the results of the next phase of the implementation of iptv channels?


    Thanks

    Hi Joe, 

    Thanks for your interest. I know you're following the Now TV thread and I've just said on there that we are chasing this internally to see if we are in a position to provide an update. The same applies here. 

    I appreciate the time you've taken to let us know your thoughts. 

    We'll get back to you as soon as we hear back.
  • JoeJoe Posts: 2,000Member ✭✭✭
    edited 22 May 2015, 3:09PM
    Joe2 said:

    Sanj/ Phil/ Youview,


    After looking at this official reply from Sanj in this thread from 6 months ago :


    "Hi Gordon, with the current implementation of channels delivered via IP, this was the best way to deliver these channels to our customers. This is the first phase of an on-going project and we'll keep you posted with any further developments. "


    Is it time for a quick update on progress here? Sanj's reply above was in the context of Gordon mentioning about having to use the red button to access the iptv channel stream. From Sanj's direct reply it could be inferred that a future update could do away with the need to press the red button to access the stream. In light of this I have a few questions for Youview:


    1.Could Youview confirm whether the need to press the red button to access iptv channel streams will be removed in a future update?

    2. Could Youview also confirm whether these channels will become recordable in future?

    3. Could Youview confirm whether or not future Nowtv live channels will be in the EPG, and whether they will be recordable?

    4. When does phase 2 begin? Or when can we expect to see the results of the next phase of the implementation of iptv channels?


    Thanks

    Many Thanks Sanj :)
  • Philip TrottPhilip Trott Posts: 1,040Administrator admin
    edited 19 December 2016, 9:55PM
    Roy1 said:

    Is it just my imagination, or are we getting louder and louder while YouView themselves are getting quieter and quieter?

    Hi Joe,

    Just to get back to you on this one-

    We share the same enthusiasm and desire to allow the providers to offer exciting content on the box. In regards to IPTV channels and the live linear channels mentioned, we are currently working on the technology required to support these types of services.

    You refer to one of the discussions in your post, which I have also updated on-

    NowTV Entertainment and Sport Bundles - Will these EVER be on YouView??

    We can't offer any time scale on this at the moment, but we will update as soon as there is more information on this functionality.

    Thanks,

    Phil
  • JoeJoe Posts: 2,000Member ✭✭✭
    edited 29 May 2015, 2:41PM
    Roy1 said:

    Is it just my imagination, or are we getting louder and louder while YouView themselves are getting quieter and quieter?

    Brilliant . Thanks Phil that helps me keep the faith. Good to know there is shared enthusiasm for these possibilities
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