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may i ask a question please on upgrading a harddrive

nick3nick3 Member Posts: 55 ✭
edited 24 September 2017, 9:07PM in Support
may i ask a question which to some may sound stupid but as i bought my bt uhd box t4000 1TB harddrive of a selling site and dont belong to bt can i put in a lardger harddrive if so as any one actualy done it and what precautions do i need to know and take so any help or advice would be very much appreciated thank you

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  • DanielDaniel Member, Super User Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭
    edited 24 September 2017, 9:07PM
    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.
  • nick3nick3 Member Posts: 55 ✭
    edited 29 March 2017, 6:56PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    hi and thank you Daniel i fully understand what your saying but i just would like to know if it can be done and what precautions i would need to take its a little experiment i would like to try to see if i can and may add a little extra bite to the box but again and much appreciated 
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭
    edited 29 March 2017, 7:36PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    It is easy to swap the drive; you just get a suitable one, sold as optimised for video use, and drop it in in place of the old one. The YouView box will then set it up for you, formatting, partitioning, loading software to it and so on.

    While I can't speak for the T4000, there have been earlier 2TB YouView boxes, so the chance is strong that the T4000 will accept a 2TB drive, and give you the full 2TB.
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  • nick3nick3 Member Posts: 55 ✭
    edited 29 March 2017, 8:30PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    thank you Roy really appreciate your help when you say (sold as optimised for video use)may i ask what you mean please, as call me crazy as i have known to be in the past, im looking at a 6TB harddrive to put in one so any more help would be again very much appreciated thank you
  • SomersetBobSomersetBob Member Posts: 213 ✭✭
    edited 29 March 2017, 9:19PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    If you believe the blurb then some disks are designed for video usage - Western Digital Purple series or various Seagate drives (or Samsung Spinpoint as in the original T1000's). But any modern drive will probably suffice, after all I never had to choose function specific drives when I ran a CAD system for an engineering company. The real issue will be whether the software can format and manage anything above 2TB and it would be a case of try it and see. 
  • nick3nick3 Member Posts: 55 ✭
    edited 29 March 2017, 9:19PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    thank you Rob really appreciate your input into this thank you but i have done a bit of googling earlier and appartently seagate are or have bringing out a 6TB harddrive for cctv which i do believe but correct me if im wrong works in the similar way as the 6TB harddrive from seagate does HD video so hoping its the same but i could go for a 3TB or 4TB which will be better as just seen a couple on a well known selling site just sold for a 3TB one for 55 pound 
  • joneshjonesh Member, Super User Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭
    edited 29 March 2017, 9:25PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    "im looking at a 6TB harddrive"

    May I ask why you are considering a 6TB HDD nick? That would be an awful lot of recordings to lose if your box failed when the drive was almost full.
  • nick3nick3 Member Posts: 55 ✭
    edited 29 March 2017, 9:34PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    i have other reasons behind my scheme it does not have to be a 6TB a 3TB or a 4TB would do its there is certain programmes i like to record and what im trying to do if it will work is try and record back to back episodes of certain series but keep them on harddrives then make a nas drive if that makes sense 
  • joneshjonesh Member, Super User Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭
    edited 29 March 2017, 9:41PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    You can't transfer recordings made on a YouView box to a NAS drive, or any other drive. Recordings made by the box will only play on that box using the drive that they were saved to.
  • nick3nick3 Member Posts: 55 ✭
    edited 29 March 2017, 10:11PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    thank you jonesh appreciate your help thank you
  • joneshjonesh Member, Super User Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭
    edited 29 March 2017, 11:03PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    It's a similar situation for all current UK spec PVRs, certainly for HD recordings. Panasonic machines allow the transfer (not copying) of recordings to external USB storage, but USB drives used for that purpose are keyed to the machine that made the recordings. All recordings are lost when the machine that made them fails.
  • CegCeg Member Posts: 184 ✭
    edited 29 March 2017, 11:56PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    You could use a DVB-T/T2 tuner with a computer to record and keep on a drive. The custom firmware for the HDR FOX T2 can also allow you to archive recordings.
  • joneshjonesh Member, Super User Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭
    edited 30 March 2017, 10:16AM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    Is the Humax HDR-FOXT2 a currently available (new) UK spec PVR?

    I have a TV tuner in a computer and it is useful for the purpose that you describe. I used to use the computer as a source for TV programmes off air and catchup, but I rarely use it now that PVRs do the same job more conveniently.
  • nick3nick3 Member Posts: 55 ✭
    edited 30 March 2017, 11:24AM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    thank you for your help in this matter i really appreciate your help so im going away to ponder and have a good look around on the internet to see what else i may be able to do 
  • StephenStephen Member, Super User Posts: 801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited 30 March 2017, 11:44AM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    You should be able to get at unencrypted SD DTT recordings if you lift the drive out of a YouView box, but obviously it's not supported, your warranty will be void, the value of your house may go up as well as down, etc.
    HD recordings are box-specific encrypted, IP-delivered channels are delivered encrypted for subscribers only and saved as such too.
  • nick3nick3 Member Posts: 55 ✭
    edited 30 March 2017, 11:46AM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    thank you Stephen much appreciated but the box is not under any warranty what so ever as i purchased it second hand but thank you any ways
  • Yasha NokeYasha Noke Member Posts: 318 ✭✭
    edited 30 March 2017, 12:41PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    One factor in whether the DTR-T4000 will support a drive larger than 2TB depends on the sector size it uses when formatting.
    If the sector size only supports up to 2TB then it may be possible to format a >2TB  drive yourself with a larger sector size providing you have a DTR-T4000 formatted drive as the basis of all the other formatting and partition requirements that may be necessary.  

    Surveillance drives are normally 3.5" and that size will not fit in the DTR-T4000. 

    There are differences to a drive optimised for DVR Video and Surveillance.  It would be a case of just trying it.

    The partition containing the recordings on at least some of the older Humax manufactured youview models was XFS .  As this could impact the NAS setup you were considering you may need to transfer the SD recordings to a differently formatted NAS drive.

    You may find it difficult to find enough programmes to legally fill up even a modest sized library of DTT recordings.
  • nick3nick3 Member Posts: 55 ✭
    edited 30 March 2017, 12:56PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    thank you Yasha Noke really appreciate your help i see where your coming from and fully understand it was just some thing rattling around in my brain for storing programmes that we enjoy watching as im not really a film bough i like certain series and wanted to record and keep like having a library of dvds or videos vhs if you know what i mean and was wondering if it was possible as being dissabled i get bored and fed up that i can not do things i used to be able to do and get really worked up when i try and do some thing and end up back on the floor so i just wanted to get some help in doing some thing that i could sit and do 
  • joneshjonesh Member, Super User Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭
    edited 30 March 2017, 10:03PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    What you want to do is possible nick. I started a similar project a few years ago and I add to my library as time goes by. My media is stored on a 2TB drive in the computer backed up to the cloud, but I have been toying with the idea of getting a NAS drive.

    I started by installing a Hauppauge WinTV tuner in the computer. Mine is an earlier two tuner version of this, but there are other solutions:

    http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/webstore/webstore_quadhd.html

    That took care of the TV side of things, but like you I wanted a solution that brought all my media together. I installed JRiver Media Center on the PC, but again there are other solutions:

    https://www.jriver.com/index.html

    JRiver is an excellent media centre and it can be used to rip CDs and DVDs as well as organise your TV programmes and other media. It can be controlled with a remote. I use a Microsoft Media Center remote, but others will work. There are also apps for iThings and Android devices. There is advice on the JRiver website.

    I also had some VCR recordings that I wanted to digitise. I used a VideMate video capture card, but some TV cards will capture video as well as TV. External USB video capture devices available. They come with their own video capture and editing software and the resulting files can be organised in your collection using JRiver MC.

  • nick3nick3 Member Posts: 55 ✭
    edited 30 March 2017, 10:27PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    thank you jonesh really appreciated also a massive thank you for sharing this info this will help me out big time
  • joneshjonesh Member, Super User Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭
    edited 30 March 2017, 10:51PM
    Daniel4 said:

    You do know the box has a 1tb hard drive already in it. It would be a lot of TV on that hard drive where do you find the time to watch it all. No content will be in ultra HD without a BT TV sub and even then its only sport or Netflix but Netflix is on demand of course.

    Cheers nick.

    VideoMate video capture cards are becoming hard to fiind now, but Hauppauge do this one:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hauppauge-ImpactVCB-E-computer-Express-Pentium/dp/B000075ANQ/ref=pd_sbs_147...

    Also this external USB device is available:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/August-VGB100-External-Composite-Transfer/dp/B008F0SARC/ref=pd_sbs_147_1?_e...

    Hauppauge might do a dual TV/Video capture card. Have a look on their website.
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