Breaking news: BBC store to close

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  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,168 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Visionman said:

    The whole concept of IP 'Buy To Keep' purchase is a highly controversial topic in itself, due to the draconian T&Cs that are imposed on such purchases. A bit like (well a lot actually) the XBOX One digital rights issues they tried to impose at launch. And people just rebelled. Yeah, look where that got them.
    Though I've never used it, the Ultraviolet model looks ok.

    "using Google store and chromecast for digital purchases as my Google account I have had for years and I can keep on a change of isp."
    Which is exactly what they want.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • DanielDaniel Member, Super User Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Visionman said:

    The whole concept of IP 'Buy To Keep' purchase is a highly controversial topic in itself, due to the draconian T&Cs that are imposed on such purchases. A bit like (well a lot actually) the XBOX One digital rights issues they tried to impose at launch. And people just rebelled. Yeah, look where that got them.
    Though I've never used it, the Ultraviolet model looks ok.

    I see so what would you do in my situation out of curiosity?
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Visionman said:

    The whole concept of IP 'Buy To Keep' purchase is a highly controversial topic in itself, due to the draconian T&Cs that are imposed on such purchases. A bit like (well a lot actually) the XBOX One digital rights issues they tried to impose at launch. And people just rebelled. Yeah, look where that got them.
    Though I've never used it, the Ultraviolet model looks ok.

    Of course it is, but as virtual ownership becomes the norm then any losses of access will inevitably drive people more into the arms of the big boys such as Amazon, Apple, Google etc. There needs to be some kind of regulatory protection for consumers, perhaps Ofcom will come up with something five years too late.
  • DanielDaniel Member, Super User Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Visionman said:

    "Sky and BT have circumvented this legal issue with their ‘buy to keep’ services by also dispatching a DVD copy of the movie at the time of purchase."

    I believe this statement to be incorrect. Only SKY send out DVDs (not BT). But they are not allowed to send out Blurays. But one can go into a shop or purchase a physical disk online elsewhere. Madness....

    It is the case VM I have never got a dvd from bt purchased content. Got plenty from sky but they sit there in the cupboard or end up in cex because I don't go out of my way to watch SD content.
  • David8David8 Member Posts: 655 ✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Visionman said:

    "Sky and BT have circumvented this legal issue with their ‘buy to keep’ services by also dispatching a DVD copy of the movie at the time of purchase."

    I believe this statement to be incorrect. Only SKY send out DVDs (not BT). But they are not allowed to send out Blurays. But one can go into a shop or purchase a physical disk online elsewhere. Madness....

    VM that's incorrect about Blu Ray they currently choose not to that doesn't mean they can't or won't in the future.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,168 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Visionman said:

    "Sky and BT have circumvented this legal issue with their ‘buy to keep’ services by also dispatching a DVD copy of the movie at the time of purchase."

    I believe this statement to be incorrect. Only SKY send out DVDs (not BT). But they are not allowed to send out Blurays. But one can go into a shop or purchase a physical disk online elsewhere. Madness....

    So it is correct then?
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • DanielDaniel Member, Super User Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Visionman said:

    "Sky and BT have circumvented this legal issue with their ‘buy to keep’ services by also dispatching a DVD copy of the movie at the time of purchase."

    I believe this statement to be incorrect. Only SKY send out DVDs (not BT). But they are not allowed to send out Blurays. But one can go into a shop or purchase a physical disk online elsewhere. Madness....

    Obviously the user above is looking at it from the angle of sky don't do it because they don't want to do it but at the same time one could certainly say sky store staff don't send out blu rays because they are not allowed to do so. However I think the point you are raising is quite valid VM.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,168 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Visionman said:

    "Sky and BT have circumvented this legal issue with their ‘buy to keep’ services by also dispatching a DVD copy of the movie at the time of purchase."

    I believe this statement to be incorrect. Only SKY send out DVDs (not BT). But they are not allowed to send out Blurays. But one can go into a shop or purchase a physical disk online elsewhere. Madness....

    Under SKYs current terms its DVD only. Thats honestly all I was saying.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2017
    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?
  • David8David8 Member Posts: 655 ✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Visionman said:

    "Sky and BT have circumvented this legal issue with their ‘buy to keep’ services by also dispatching a DVD copy of the movie at the time of purchase."

    I believe this statement to be incorrect. Only SKY send out DVDs (not BT). But they are not allowed to send out Blurays. But one can go into a shop or purchase a physical disk online elsewhere. Madness....

    There was plans for Blu Ray I'm not sure if they are still happening however I believe in Germany they have just launched with both DVD or Blu Ray available.
    http://www.digitaltveurope.net/707851...

    To be honest I rarely buy optical media these days and certainly wouldn't pay Sky Store full price.
  • DanielDaniel Member, Super User Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Visionman said:

    "Sky and BT have circumvented this legal issue with their ‘buy to keep’ services by also dispatching a DVD copy of the movie at the time of purchase."

    I believe this statement to be incorrect. Only SKY send out DVDs (not BT). But they are not allowed to send out Blurays. But one can go into a shop or purchase a physical disk online elsewhere. Madness....

    Blu Ray should be there from day one to be honest. It would not surprise me if sky store customers either dump them in a cupboard and forget about them or take them to cex or even bin them. In this day and age dvd is useless.
  • DanielDaniel Member, Super User Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    I agree with your comment why would you want a dvd if you want hd simple answer is you wouldn't. It does occur to me it may be a rhetorical question but I decided to answer anyway as it felt like Christmas finding a post of yours I agree with. Maybe one day you will get this feeling if I post something you agree with.
  • David8David8 Member Posts: 655 ✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    Completely agree , only time I've used the service is the odd time they've had Black Friday deals etc and we've generally given the DVD away.

    As I say I was led to believe Blu Ray was going to arrive as an option but so far it's not.
  • DanielDaniel Member, Super User Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    I remember that they give a ice age movie away once. I give it too my kids. Also I think I remember them giving Kong fu panda away again the kids got the dvd and I'm yet to this day actually watch them.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,998 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Joe2 said:
    The massive unreliability of second-tier journalism?
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • DanielDaniel Member, Super User Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,998 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    The DVD is Sky's insurance against ever having to do what the BBC are having to do; in effect, buying back everything the BBC Store has ever sold.
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • DanielDaniel Member, Super User Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    It would not surprise me. I completely agree with you Roy.
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    I disagree, it is just a marketing ploy, it will be so out of date so soon.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,168 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    No Roys right (sorry).
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,998 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    It's already out of date (if I am correctly interpreting your tangle of unassigned pronouns), which is the whole point.

    If anybody really thought they were going to have to fall back onto the DVD, then they would be demanding something of at least the quality they paid for - i .e. a Bluray if they had bought HD.

    People buy online to avoid needing to store physical media, and to watch it anywhere without having to find and carry about the physical media.

    The DVD is a mere figleaf - but like a figleaf, what it covers is both sensitive, and surprisingly important.
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    Just buy a DVD then. :)
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,168 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    No thats not the point, chiz. Purely buying a digital has DRM issues which has big implications. Supplying a physical copy with said purchase has workarounds which don't. Though as you say (and all points I agree with btw) why purchase the equivalent of a digital Bluray only to be physically supplied with a DVD? Its a bit pointless. But it gets around the DRM, kind of.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    You may be right, I still have no idea why Sky would send you a DVD other than customers think it's a good thing and presumably have a DVD player stacked up under their telly with all the other boxes.

    I am just counting up now how many DVD players I have had over the years, five I think, including one which at the time what as a cutting edge hybrid with recording capabilities.

    I am just thinking now how many I still use, you can probably guess.
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    You may be right, I still have no idea why Sky would send you a DVD other than customers think it's a good thing and presumably have a DVD player stacked up under their telly with all the other boxes.

    I am just counting up now how many DVD players I have had over the years, five I think, including one which at the time was as a cutting edge hybrid with recording capabilities.

    I am just thinking now how many I still use, you can probably guess.
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    You may be right, I still have no idea why Sky would send you a DVD other than customers think it's a good thing and presumably have a DVD player stacked up under their telly with all the other boxes.

    I am just counting up now how many DVD players I have had over the years, five I think, including one which at the time was a cutting edge hybrid with recording capabilities.

    I am just thinking now how many I still use, you can probably guess.
  • DanielDaniel Member, Super User Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    About the same as how many dvd players are under my tv. Zero. Waste of time in this day and age no point going back to the dark ages.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,998 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    Not looking at the UHD player any more then, or does the above exclude Bluray players?
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • DavidBDavidB Member Posts: 69
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    How long before the dishes disappear from the sides of houses, if you've got a decent broadband connection, the old antenna, with its fixed channels, will ultimately be consigned to the scrap heap.
    It will still be useful for third world countries, to transmit fixed channels over wide areas that don't/can't have a very good broadband distribution network or as a "fill in" for remote areas.
      
  • DanielDaniel Member, Super User Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    redchiz said:

    The only provider I am aware of who dispatches physical media alongside a digital purchase is Sky, they advertise that quite heavily. Now, the benefits of that are hard to evaluate. If you want a DVD it would be cheaper to just buy it. If you want digital access you would generally opt for HD above SD, wouldn't you? And if you want HD why would you want a DVD?

    @roy I decided against it until a standard is agreed on. While I am keen on a uhd bluray player I don't think I want a situation what I ended up with when hd dvd and blu ray came out.
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