BT DTR2110 28.26 update caused live pause problem

DaveGrohlDaveGrohl Member Posts: 81
edited 26 August 2017, 9:00AM in Support
My loathing for the NextGen foisting continues, but enough of that, we appear to be stuck with it. My box got the 28.26 update a few days ago but it seems to have collected a bug when it updated. The update improved the back journey when finishing a recording so that you can delete the just watched episode without going back a step too far. A tiny but important improvement.

However a bug has appeared in the live pause part of the software. I generally only use my box for two things: recording certain programmes on series link and also watching BBC News channel. I use live pause constantly on the news channel and skip forward by 60 secs all the time, saves me sitting through the BBC agenda. The box is in our kitchen so it's only really used at mealtimes hence our viewing habits on this box (Sky is our main viewing machine). Since the update if I pause the tv it pauses ok and will ff as normal at x2 x30 etc. However if you press the skip forward button it jumps back to live tv. Then if you try to rewind back to where you originally paused it it will only do so at x2, but it doesn't display x2 as it displays the BBC logo instead. Pressing the skip back 15 secs button does something odd, so it's x2 backwards that's the only option. The back journey in the planner is an improvement but this development is a big problem for me in comparison. I'd rather have the previous software update thank you frankly. But then I'd also rather have old gen back in a heartbeat too.

I've done a soft reset as per the instructions on here to try to clear the bug. I used the option 2 as I don't want to lose my recordings. This hasn't worked. So what can I do now is my question? All help gratefully received.
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  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭
    edited 16 August 2017, 10:46AM
    I have the same problem. Same box and software version.
    Worth mentioning that for me when this happens the buffer is full (I leave the box on overnight so I can watch the BBC Breakfast programme and can skip past segments that don't interest me).
    Also the progress bar behaves strangely sometimes indicating that the buffer is empty depending on which skip or ff/rew buttons are pushed.
    A very annoying bug which has totally disrupted my normal morning viewing pattern.
    So far I have not yet tried MM might do this when I have time. Soft reset doesn't work.
  • DaveGrohlDaveGrohl Member Posts: 81
    edited 15 August 2017, 9:49AM
    jimb said:

    I have the same problem. Same box and software version.
    Worth mentioning that for me when this happens the buffer is full (I leave the box on overnight so I can watch the BBC Breakfast programme and can skip past segments that don't interest me).
    Also the progress bar behaves strangely sometimes indicating that the buffer is empty depending on which skip or ff/rew buttons are pushed.
    A very annoying bug which has totally disrupted my normal morning viewing pattern.
    So far I have not yet tried MM might do this when I have time. Soft reset doesn't work.

    That's exactly how mine behaves. I've tried replicating the problem on different channels this am but it won't do it. It has happened for the last three mornings however in exactly the manner you've described, BBC 1 HD left on overnight so I can skip about during BBC Breakfast when I get up first thing. At least I now know precisely when the problem occurs and that it isn't affecting other live pausing.

    What is the buffer full problem though? I don't leave it paused overnight so why is the buffer full?
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭
    edited 15 August 2017, 10:05AM
    jimb said:

    I have the same problem. Same box and software version.
    Worth mentioning that for me when this happens the buffer is full (I leave the box on overnight so I can watch the BBC Breakfast programme and can skip past segments that don't interest me).
    Also the progress bar behaves strangely sometimes indicating that the buffer is empty depending on which skip or ff/rew buttons are pushed.
    A very annoying bug which has totally disrupted my normal morning viewing pattern.
    So far I have not yet tried MM might do this when I have time. Soft reset doesn't work.

    By buffer full I simply mean that if the box has been left on overnight you can rewind through two hours.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,796 ✭✭✭
    edited 15 August 2017, 11:22AM
    jimb said:

    I have the same problem. Same box and software version.
    Worth mentioning that for me when this happens the buffer is full (I leave the box on overnight so I can watch the BBC Breakfast programme and can skip past segments that don't interest me).
    Also the progress bar behaves strangely sometimes indicating that the buffer is empty depending on which skip or ff/rew buttons are pushed.
    A very annoying bug which has totally disrupted my normal morning viewing pattern.
    So far I have not yet tried MM might do this when I have time. Soft reset doesn't work.

    Not a fix, but perhaps a workaround; on the iPlayer, you can watch BBC Breakfast either live or from the start.

    Would this suit, until the bug is fixed?
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭
    edited 15 August 2017, 1:05PM
    jimb said:

    I have the same problem. Same box and software version.
    Worth mentioning that for me when this happens the buffer is full (I leave the box on overnight so I can watch the BBC Breakfast programme and can skip past segments that don't interest me).
    Also the progress bar behaves strangely sometimes indicating that the buffer is empty depending on which skip or ff/rew buttons are pushed.
    A very annoying bug which has totally disrupted my normal morning viewing pattern.
    So far I have not yet tried MM might do this when I have time. Soft reset doesn't work.

    That's what I've started doing Roy.
    It has an added benefit of X256 ff/rew :-)
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭
    edited 15 August 2017, 1:09PM
    jimb said:

    I have the same problem. Same box and software version.
    Worth mentioning that for me when this happens the buffer is full (I leave the box on overnight so I can watch the BBC Breakfast programme and can skip past segments that don't interest me).
    Also the progress bar behaves strangely sometimes indicating that the buffer is empty depending on which skip or ff/rew buttons are pushed.
    A very annoying bug which has totally disrupted my normal morning viewing pattern.
    So far I have not yet tried MM might do this when I have time. Soft reset doesn't work.

    No help though for those who prefer the dreaded Piers Morgan.
  • DaveGrohlDaveGrohl Member Posts: 81
    edited 15 August 2017, 1:24PM
    jimb said:

    I have the same problem. Same box and software version.
    Worth mentioning that for me when this happens the buffer is full (I leave the box on overnight so I can watch the BBC Breakfast programme and can skip past segments that don't interest me).
    Also the progress bar behaves strangely sometimes indicating that the buffer is empty depending on which skip or ff/rew buttons are pushed.
    A very annoying bug which has totally disrupted my normal morning viewing pattern.
    So far I have not yet tried MM might do this when I have time. Soft reset doesn't work.

    Is this a known bug Roy?
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 16 August 2017, 2:47PM
    DaveGrohl>
    "[I left] BBC 1 HD left on overnight so I can skip about during BBC Breakfast when I get up first thing. At least I now know precisely when the problem occurs and that it isn't affecting other live pausing.
    What is the buffer full problem though? I don't leave it paused overnight so why is the buffer full?"

    Hi Dave, if memory serves, when you leave a box on a live channel, it will automatically buffer the channel from the point you turned on the channel, up to a maximum of 2 hours.  
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,796 ✭✭✭
    edited 15 August 2017, 3:03PM
    jimb said:

    I have the same problem. Same box and software version.
    Worth mentioning that for me when this happens the buffer is full (I leave the box on overnight so I can watch the BBC Breakfast programme and can skip past segments that don't interest me).
    Also the progress bar behaves strangely sometimes indicating that the buffer is empty depending on which skip or ff/rew buttons are pushed.
    A very annoying bug which has totally disrupted my normal morning viewing pattern.
    So far I have not yet tried MM might do this when I have time. Soft reset doesn't work.

    It!s certainly a previously reported bug.

    I remember going round the same loop of trying to provoke it, and failing, and it then being qualified to only happening when the buffer is nearly full... :-;
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • DaveGrohlDaveGrohl Member Posts: 81
    edited 15 August 2017, 4:34PM
    Visionman said:

    DaveGrohl>
    "[I left] BBC 1 HD left on overnight so I can skip about during BBC Breakfast when I get up first thing. At least I now know precisely when the problem occurs and that it isn't affecting other live pausing.
    What is the buffer full problem though? I don't leave it paused overnight so why is the buffer full?"

    Hi Dave, if memory serves, when you leave a box on a live channel, it will automatically buffer the channel from the point you turned on the channel, up to a maximum of 2 hours.  

    Indeed. But my box is live as it were, not say 1hr 50 mins behind, so there should be no full buffer issues. I've always left it on at night so I can skip about while having breakfast. I've not changed my behaviour but the box has. I've never seen this particular problem before.
  • scottscott Member, Super User Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭
    edited 15 August 2017, 4:48PM
    Visionman said:

    DaveGrohl>
    "[I left] BBC 1 HD left on overnight so I can skip about during BBC Breakfast when I get up first thing. At least I now know precisely when the problem occurs and that it isn't affecting other live pausing.
    What is the buffer full problem though? I don't leave it paused overnight so why is the buffer full?"

    Hi Dave, if memory serves, when you leave a box on a live channel, it will automatically buffer the channel from the point you turned on the channel, up to a maximum of 2 hours.  

    Doesn't this mean that the buffer is always full (having the last 2 hours in it) even though it is not on pause. The buffer will only empty when you power down or change channel. Even if you are watching live the buffer has to have the previous 2 hours in it to allow you to go back, you don't have to pause for the buffer to fill up?

    My understanding is that as soon as you have had a channel on for more than 2 hours the buffer will be full whether you are watching from the buffer or not but maybe my understanding is wrong :-(

  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 15 August 2017, 5:17PM
    Visionman said:

    DaveGrohl>
    "[I left] BBC 1 HD left on overnight so I can skip about during BBC Breakfast when I get up first thing. At least I now know precisely when the problem occurs and that it isn't affecting other live pausing.
    What is the buffer full problem though? I don't leave it paused overnight so why is the buffer full?"

    Hi Dave, if memory serves, when you leave a box on a live channel, it will automatically buffer the channel from the point you turned on the channel, up to a maximum of 2 hours.  

    "Doesn't this mean that the buffer is always full (having the last 2 hours in it)".
    Yes, thats right.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • DaveGrohlDaveGrohl Member Posts: 81
    edited 15 August 2017, 9:32PM
    Visionman said:

    DaveGrohl>
    "[I left] BBC 1 HD left on overnight so I can skip about during BBC Breakfast when I get up first thing. At least I now know precisely when the problem occurs and that it isn't affecting other live pausing.
    What is the buffer full problem though? I don't leave it paused overnight so why is the buffer full?"

    Hi Dave, if memory serves, when you leave a box on a live channel, it will automatically buffer the channel from the point you turned on the channel, up to a maximum of 2 hours.  

    I'm not arguing that point, just need a solution.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 15 August 2017, 9:37PM
    Visionman said:

    DaveGrohl>
    "[I left] BBC 1 HD left on overnight so I can skip about during BBC Breakfast when I get up first thing. At least I now know precisely when the problem occurs and that it isn't affecting other live pausing.
    What is the buffer full problem though? I don't leave it paused overnight so why is the buffer full?"

    Hi Dave, if memory serves, when you leave a box on a live channel, it will automatically buffer the channel from the point you turned on the channel, up to a maximum of 2 hours.  

    To doing what?
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 16 August 2017, 7:04AM
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • DaveGrohlDaveGrohl Member Posts: 81
    edited 16 August 2017, 6:57AM
    Visionman said:

    DaveGrohl>
    "[I left] BBC 1 HD left on overnight so I can skip about during BBC Breakfast when I get up first thing. At least I now know precisely when the problem occurs and that it isn't affecting other live pausing.
    What is the buffer full problem though? I don't leave it paused overnight so why is the buffer full?"

    Hi Dave, if memory serves, when you leave a box on a live channel, it will automatically buffer the channel from the point you turned on the channel, up to a maximum of 2 hours.  

    To get rid of the bug. I've also noticed that the black bar now takes almost 8 seconds to disappear rather than the already too long 5 seconds.
  • DaveGrohlDaveGrohl Member Posts: 81
    edited 16 August 2017, 7:04AM
    Visionman said:
    Thanks, I would have struggled to start wading through posts from two months ago. It's comforting to know that a few have this problem. Still no solution offered though, apart from possibly doing a full reset and losing all recordings. If I have to do that then I may as well factory reset and disconnect from tinternet. Might that revert the box to old gen?
  • DaveGrohlDaveGrohl Member Posts: 81
    edited 16 August 2017, 7:05AM
    Visionman said:

    DaveGrohl>
    "[I left] BBC 1 HD left on overnight so I can skip about during BBC Breakfast when I get up first thing. At least I now know precisely when the problem occurs and that it isn't affecting other live pausing.
    What is the buffer full problem though? I don't leave it paused overnight so why is the buffer full?"

    Hi Dave, if memory serves, when you leave a box on a live channel, it will automatically buffer the channel from the point you turned on the channel, up to a maximum of 2 hours.  

    Another workaround would be to just put BBC Breakfast on series record of course.
  • DaveGrohlDaveGrohl Member Posts: 81
    edited 16 August 2017, 7:06AM
    Visionman said:

    DaveGrohl>
    "[I left] BBC 1 HD left on overnight so I can skip about during BBC Breakfast when I get up first thing. At least I now know precisely when the problem occurs and that it isn't affecting other live pausing.
    What is the buffer full problem though? I don't leave it paused overnight so why is the buffer full?"

    Hi Dave, if memory serves, when you leave a box on a live channel, it will automatically buffer the channel from the point you turned on the channel, up to a maximum of 2 hours.  

    If it's a buffer full problem then why do I not get the same problem when I have the box on BBC News channel during the day?
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭
    edited 16 August 2017, 9:35AM
    jimb said:

    I have the same problem. Same box and software version.
    Worth mentioning that for me when this happens the buffer is full (I leave the box on overnight so I can watch the BBC Breakfast programme and can skip past segments that don't interest me).
    Also the progress bar behaves strangely sometimes indicating that the buffer is empty depending on which skip or ff/rew buttons are pushed.
    A very annoying bug which has totally disrupted my normal morning viewing pattern.
    So far I have not yet tried MM might do this when I have time. Soft reset doesn't work.

    Roy, are you referring to the post that Visionman mentioned below?
    (https://community.youview.com/youview/topics/-discussion-humax-software-update-28-26-0?topic-reply-l...)
    That's not the same problem - it has some similarities but also significant differences.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,796 ✭✭✭
    edited 16 August 2017, 10:37AM
    Visionman said:

    DaveGrohl>
    "[I left] BBC 1 HD left on overnight so I can skip about during BBC Breakfast when I get up first thing. At least I now know precisely when the problem occurs and that it isn't affecting other live pausing.
    What is the buffer full problem though? I don't leave it paused overnight so why is the buffer full?"

    Hi Dave, if memory serves, when you leave a box on a live channel, it will automatically buffer the channel from the point you turned on the channel, up to a maximum of 2 hours.  

    So you put it on BBC News long enough in advance to fill the two hour buffer?

    But you can test the buffer full hypothesis by switching away from BBC Breakfast at say, 7 am, and then trying your recipe at 8am, before the buffer has refilled, and again at 9 am, when it has.
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,796 ✭✭✭
    edited 16 August 2017, 10:46AM
    jimb said:

    I have the same problem. Same box and software version.
    Worth mentioning that for me when this happens the buffer is full (I leave the box on overnight so I can watch the BBC Breakfast programme and can skip past segments that don't interest me).
    Also the progress bar behaves strangely sometimes indicating that the buffer is empty depending on which skip or ff/rew buttons are pushed.
    A very annoying bug which has totally disrupted my normal morning viewing pattern.
    So far I have not yet tried MM might do this when I have time. Soft reset doesn't work.

    I would say significant similarities but some differences - I think there is a basic 'box does not operate correctly with full buffer' issue, plus some baroque curlicues.
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • DaveGrohlDaveGrohl Member Posts: 81
    edited 16 August 2017, 1:51PM
    Visionman said:

    DaveGrohl>
    "[I left] BBC 1 HD left on overnight so I can skip about during BBC Breakfast when I get up first thing. At least I now know precisely when the problem occurs and that it isn't affecting other live pausing.
    What is the buffer full problem though? I don't leave it paused overnight so why is the buffer full?"

    Hi Dave, if memory serves, when you leave a box on a live channel, it will automatically buffer the channel from the point you turned on the channel, up to a maximum of 2 hours.  

    Well, rather confusingly I've just turned the telly on with BBC News channel being running all morning. This is now exhibiting the same behaviour as BBC 1 left on overnight. It definitely wasn't displaying this behaviour yesterday or the day before during the day though. Grrrrr.
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭
    edited 16 August 2017, 2:47PM
    Visionman said:

    DaveGrohl>
    "[I left] BBC 1 HD left on overnight so I can skip about during BBC Breakfast when I get up first thing. At least I now know precisely when the problem occurs and that it isn't affecting other live pausing.
    What is the buffer full problem though? I don't leave it paused overnight so why is the buffer full?"

    Hi Dave, if memory serves, when you leave a box on a live channel, it will automatically buffer the channel from the point you turned on the channel, up to a maximum of 2 hours.  

    I switched to ITV+1 at about 10am. Several hours later it was also exhibiting the same symptoms.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 16 August 2017, 8:52PM
    Hi Dave.
    A reset, no matter how harsh, won't do any good (sorry).
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • DaveGrohlDaveGrohl Member Posts: 81
    edited 20 August 2017, 10:10AM
    Why do you say that VM? I thought a reset was the standard response to bug collection?
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,796 ✭✭✭
    edited 18 August 2017, 2:03PM
    DaveGrohl said:

    Why do you say that VM? I thought a reset was the standard response to bug collection?

    I think he meant it would never revert to an earlier release of the software, which is what you were hoping for.
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 18 August 2017, 4:01PM
    DaveGrohl said:

    Why do you say that VM? I thought a reset was the standard response to bug collection?

    Sorry guys, I meant a reset won't prevent the behavior. 
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • DaveGrohlDaveGrohl Member Posts: 81
    edited 18 August 2017, 9:39PM
    DaveGrohl said:

    Why do you say that VM? I thought a reset was the standard response to bug collection?

    Roy, I get that it would search for the newest software upon reset but my question refers to if I never again have it connected to the timternet. Wouldn't it reset to the factory version and stay there?

    VM, why would the bugs remain? Are you suggesting the hardware is at fault? That seems an odd thing to understand.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 20 August 2017, 9:48AM
    Hi Dave, its not a bug. Its the boxes behavior.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
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