YouView Statement on box updates

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  • Jeffuk1Jeffuk1 Member Posts: 43
    Roy said:

    Jeffuk1 said:

    As far as I'm aware there are no multi-tuner versions of amYouview box. 
    2 isn’t multi?
    I'm sorry my note was unclear.  I obviously meant more than there currently were like the 5000T.
  • AnaglyptaAnaglypta Member, Super User Posts: 845 ✭✭✭
    Roy said:

    Jeffuk1 said:

    As far as I'm aware there are no multi-tuner versions of amYouview box. 
    2 isn’t multi?
    I have two legs - and I wouldn't describe myself as a multiped (is that a word?)
    Most dictionaries define "Multi-" as meaning many. :)

    John.
    "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity." - George S. Patton
  • Anaglypta said:
    Roy said:

    Jeffuk1 said:

    As far as I'm aware there are no multi-tuner versions of amYouview box. 
    2 isn’t multi?
    I have two legs - and I wouldn't describe myself as a multiped (is that a word?)
    Most dictionaries define "Multi-" as meaning many. :)

    John.
    That makes you a biped @Anaglypta
  • scottscott Member, Super User Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭
    edited 18 January 2018, 12:39AM
    Roy said:
    redchiz said:
    Sorry, no idea. When I know you are being unpleasant I just leave it. When I'm not sure I ask. Too clever by half.
    The screen I showed was exactly because it is no different from the current release. An alternative screen might not have been.
    Told you I was thick lol. I did think it would have made much more sense if you had showed the menu screen. Cogs slowly click. Lol
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,549 ✭✭✭
    edited 18 January 2018, 9:38AM
    Anaglypta said:
    Roy said:

    Jeffuk1 said:

    As far as I'm aware there are no multi-tuner versions of amYouview box. 
    2 isn’t multi?
    I have two legs - and I wouldn't describe myself as a multiped (is that a word?)
    Most dictionaries define "Multi-" as meaning many. :)

    John.
    Yes, multiped is a word. But look up multi- on that same dictionary, rather than some lesser one  :p 

    Multipeds seem to start after quadrupeds, so it looks like the rules for legs and tuners may differ, as do the rules for people, where two hardly constitute a multitude  :D

    Tricky thing, the English language.....
    Supporting YouView on Sony TVs is like nailing jelly to a herd of cats
  • joneshjonesh Member, Super User Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭
    edited 18 January 2018, 1:03PM
    What is the minimum number of boxes for multi-room TV? :/
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭
    jonesh said:
    What is the minimum number of boxes for multi-room TV? :/

     :D 
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,022 ✭✭✭
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,167 ✭✭✭
    An interesting interpretation: Since launch all set top boxes have been updated in unison, with the same features and design changes rolled out to both retail and ISP provided boxes which also currently offer viewers the same mix of on-demand players and apps.

    "Updated in unison?" Hear the squeals from BT and TalkTalk users over the years!  

  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,022 ✭✭✭
    I know. SEENIT rarely get reporting on YouView right, but they aren't the only ones.

    I have an interesting question - With ISP specific updates and/or features/services, what happens to a TalkTalk user using a BT box or a BT user using a TalkTalk box? Or Plusnet using either?
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • AnaglyptaAnaglypta Member, Super User Posts: 845 ✭✭✭
    edited 18 January 2018, 10:59PM
    Visionman said:
    I know. SEENIT rarely get reporting on YouView right, but they aren't the only ones.

    I have an interesting question - With ISP specific updates and/or features/services, what happens to a TalkTalk user using a BT box or a BT user using a TalkTalk box? Or Plusnet using either?
    (Up the) **** creek, No paddle.  :D

    John.

    EDITED to comply with forum rules  :(
    "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity." - George S. Patton
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,167 ✭✭✭
    Plusnet boxes don't work with any other provider and vice-versa. 

    I have never used a TalkTalk (Huawei) box, but my retail Humax T2000 has seamlessly assumed the visage of my ISP. And Roy rarely hesitates to complain about how his box is polluted by his current ISP, BT. So yeah, what will happen there? 
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,022 ✭✭✭
    LOL. Though I'm not so sure thats true, but don't know. Hence why I asked the question.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,549 ✭✭✭
    redchiz said:
    An interesting interpretation: Since launch all set top boxes have been updated in unison, with the same features and design changes rolled out to both retail and ISP provided boxes which also currently offer viewers the same mix of on-demand players and apps.

    "Updated in unison?" Hear the squeals from BT and TalkTalk users over the years!  

    That’s Martin Hostile writing there,....
    Supporting YouView on Sony TVs is like nailing jelly to a herd of cats
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,549 ✭✭✭

    redchiz said:
    Plusnet boxes don't work with any other provider and vice-versa. 

    I have never used a TalkTalk (Huawei) box, but my retail Humax T2000 has seamlessly assumed the visage of my ISP.

    And Roy rarely hesitates to complain about how his box is polluted by his current ISP, BT. So yeah, what will happen there?  
    I am hoping that when Retail and BT boxes move apart, this will render the current BT pollution untenable, and it will cease.

    Every Cloud has a silver lining.....
    Supporting YouView on Sony TVs is like nailing jelly to a herd of cats
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,022 ✭✭✭
    Its a Wonderful life....
    There are some major implications here (which are all good) which no one has mentioned yet. 
    There are a few, but the main one is that shortly (probably after the current trial tests are released) moving forward, each platform will be able to accelerate at their own pace unfettered by others. And I include Retail in that.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • scottscott Member, Super User Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭
    Visionman said:
    Its a Wonderful life....
    There are some major implications here (which are all good) which no one has mentioned yet. 
    There are a few, but the main one is that shortly (probably after the current trial tests are released) moving forward, each platform will be able to accelerate at their own pace unfettered by others. And I include Retail in that.

    The impression I get is that Retail (after the current trial) is actually ahead of the ISP's already...
  • scottscott Member, Super User Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭
    edited 19 January 2018, 8:30AM
    scott said:
    Visionman said:
    Its a Wonderful life....
    There are some major implications here (which are all good) which no one has mentioned yet. 
    There are a few, but the main one is that shortly (probably after the current trial tests are released) moving forward, each platform will be able to accelerate at their own pace unfettered by others. And I include Retail in that.

    The impression I get is that Retail (after the current trial) is actually ahead of the ISP's already...
    Your quote to a retail customer -
    'Really? Its my knowledge you have new features on your box that are yet to be released.'

  • The 'split' has begun. It's been 'speculated'  ;) on elsewhere that the next retail update will include features not yet available for testing on isp boxes.
    BT in their statement said they would be concentrating on the features requested by their customers (presumably gathered from their feedback thread). I'd be shocked if that doesn't mean the 'jump to time' feture being at the forefront as that would appear to be the biggie everyone wants to see returned. It's very useful on recorded 'live' sports events allowing you to jump past all the analysis etc.
  • scottscott Member, Super User Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭
    edited 19 January 2018, 11:10AM

    @Robert Where was that speculation, I would be interested to read that :)

    I was hoping that one of the big hold-ups was because they were trying to find a way to streamline things to keep the T1000 boxes in the same software path (I know this hasn't happened but was thinking they still had in the back of their mind the need to bring them up to date at some point) and now with BT announcing that new features would only be added to newer generation boxes this could free them to push forward without that tie BUT YouView have still yet to release any comment on the retail variant of these boxes and if they will follow BT or not down the 'not new functions' for these. Although it will dismay quite a few I think it is the correct thing to do and just normal business to do this (same as my 4th Gen Ipad works but only with IOS10 features and my 2014 LG tv WebOS works but only up to 2015/6 features).

    Not sure what was going on with my double post above as I thought I was just editing the original post but hey ho...

  • From here https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2258086/now-tv/p1 I found this comment "many others who had Old Gen and are waiting for fixes put in place for Next Gen are frustrated at the BT boxes getting left behind as the next phase of software updates will bear out big time" to mean that the changes were already on the way (that post was put up before the Youview announcement), and that the poster was aware of their being different software coming that won't, as yet at least I suppose, be offered to BT boxes. Remember, this is only my interpretation.
    I did have two more examples which I'd saved on my computer but both seem to now have been taken down, I presume by the person who posted them, which more or less also implied that retail boxes were to be getting an update soon with new features which would not be offered on BT boxes as they weren't as yet in the testing phase.
    The only thing I'd like to add from a personal viewpoint is I don't feel Youview/BT would have made their announcements at this stage unless the changes mentioned above, and the 'split' as it were, was imminent.
  • scottscott Member, Super User Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭
    edited 19 January 2018, 12:40PM

    From what I have seen the whispering's do seem to point that way. It is disappointing as a BT customer because I was always under the impression that BT were frustrated at how long it took for YouView to release new features and yet now it seems to be BT that are the ones that have been holding back the progress.

    With BT customers being the bulk of the YouView base (I believe I am correct in saying this) I think the backlash when YouView releases new functionality to its small base only for it to not appear on BT boxes (and for some time if the whisperings are true) will be pretty impressive :)

    I can almost understand if certain functions are box specific (i.e. BT/TalkTalk doing a deal with someone for specific services to its customers) but for standard functionality I see no reason for any long delay or not appearing at all.

    Of course all things are relative. If the YouView functions have only been tested for a month or so (no idea what the timeframe is as I have no knowledge) and are released, if BT then test and release the same functions (or their take on them) within a month or so (obviously that would mean starting testing as soon as the functions are released by retail) I don't think that would be too hard to take but only time will tell.

  • skillerskiller Member Posts: 295 ✭✭
    Roy said:
    redchiz said:
    Sorry, no idea. When I know you are being unpleasant I just leave it. When I'm not sure I ask. Too clever by half.
    The screen I showed was exactly because it is no different from the current release. An alternative screen might not have been.
    At the risk of going off-topic, I've often wondered why my TT 360T has an extra bit on the Settings page that neither my BT T1000 nor my BT T2100 has:

  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,167 ✭✭✭
    @skiller I think you mean at the risk of going on-topic.   ;)
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,549 ✭✭✭
    skiller said:
    Roy said:
    redchiz said:
    Sorry, no idea. When I know you are being unpleasant I just leave it. When I'm not sure I ask. Too clever by half.
    The screen I showed was exactly because it is no different from the current release. An alternative screen might not have been.
    At the risk of going off-topic, I've often wondered why my TT 360T has an extra bit on the Settings page that neither my BT T1000 nor my BT T2100 has:

    Ugh, nasty Merkin ‘s’
    Supporting YouView on Sony TVs is like nailing jelly to a herd of cats
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,167 ✭✭✭
  • PhilStationPhilStation Member Posts: 113 ✭✭
    edited 20 January 2018, 9:56PM
    As a result devices may vary in functionality, features, Players or Apps.

    Does this have implications for retail / talktalk customers when it comes to getting full access to NOW TV? Many thought that the BT deal would mean access for all but in light of the above, perhaps not...
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,022 ✭✭✭
    edited 20 January 2018, 10:19PM
    As a result devices may vary in functionality, features, Players or Apps.

    Does this have implications for retail / talktalk customers when it comes to getting full access to NOW TV? Many thought that the BT deal would mean access for all but in light of the above, perhaps not...
    Not necessarily. And why should it? As has stood for quite some time, Retail have no access to Skys live channels. BT only have access to one sport channel and barring Sky Atlantic, TalkTalk have access to the lot.
    With this move, I've heard talk of the YouView platform fracturing. But they are already different and as in the present, will continue to be so....
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • PhilStationPhilStation Member Posts: 113 ✭✭
    Visionman said:

    Not necessarily. And why should it? 

    Because the deal is between BT & Sky, not Youview & Sky, and because the statement says that devices may vary in apps. 
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