I’d much rather carry on as a strong supporter of YouView, and I imagine I will....however if the worse fears are realised - it fractures, and retail YouView is blocked from mainstream apps, then the reason that I’m here has gone. I’d reluctantly have to leave, and find a home with freeview play or freesat.
I very much doubt that will happen, and I hope to carry on with my enthusiastic support for YouView.
It’s already fractured, albeit in a minor, but telling, way. Netflix in surround sound is only available on the BT T4000 box.
A technical fracture rather than a commercial one I am sure, but unlike Netflix in UHD, which clearly only the T4000 can do, any box should be able to support Netflix in 5.1
Expect more fractures along the way.
A thought: Given that BT have an annoying habit of confusing BT TV (their value-add for YouView) with YouView itself, it may be that Amazon Video will pop up outside of the bit labelled BT TV for those whose ISP is BT, and be generally available to all YouView boxes, just like Netflix was. But I’m not holding my breath.....
‘Does television exist for us to watch, or do we exist to watch television?’ - Noah Hawley
I’d much rather carry on as a strong supporter of YouView, and I imagine I will....however if the worse fears are realised - it fractures, and retail YouView is blocked from mainstream apps, then the reason that I’m here has gone. I’d reluctantly have to leave, and find a home with freeview play or freesat.
I very much doubt that will happen, and I hope to carry on with my enthusiastic support for YouView.
It’s already fractured, albeit in a minor, but telling, way. Netflix in surround sound is only available on the BT T4000 box.
A technical fracture rather than a commercial one I am sure, but unlike Netflix in UHD, which clearly only the T4000 can do, any box should be able to support Netflix in 5.1
Expect more fractures along the way.
A thought: Given that BT have an annoying habit of confusing BT TV (their value-add for YouView) with YouView itself, it may be that Amazon Video will pop up outside of the bit labelled BT TV for those whose ISP is BT, and be generally available to all YouView boxes, just like Netflix was. But I’m not holding my breath.....
The failure to bring 5.1 surround to all youview boxes is a pretty awful. You’re right Roy there have been a number of content issues, which have been dictated by BT. The surround sound issue on Netflix is a point in hand.
Also the paired down version of Nowtv is due to commercial ranglings between BT and Sky. The plus side is, now that they’ve buried the hatchet we should eventually see these other mainstream services on YouView...unless BT also wish to bury the retail arm of YouView.
I've known about this for months. Indeed there are a few on here (and I mean quite a few) who pre-publicly already have it. So what?
Those with YouView TVs (like me) have had it for years and I'm of the opinion the GUI isn't that good or intuitive (indeed, its awkward) and it doesn't come with masses of top line content. Plus its available far and wide, very cheaply, elsewhere. Up to now I only know its a BT'er. But I would be amazed if it stayed that way and wasn't pushed to TT, PN and retail.
Early days yet, so I wouldn't personally speculate devastating doom and gloom too much, if at all.
As much as I like youview and I have been patient waiting for Amazon to show up on the boxes so if Amazon is bt only I will be changing my set top box to something that is not youview. I'm still waiting for hide channels to return in full form. For someone who has been incredibly positive about youview over the years if this is locked to bt that positive feedback from me will cease to exist.
Honestly, I don’t know what the fuss is about. You can get a dongle for pocket change which will provide these ‘missing’ services, if your TV doesn’t provide them anyway, leaving only the minor annoyance that their programmes aren’t integrated into the YouView Discover and Search features.
Much rather just get them all in one box with one remote. Though visiting my parents who have budget Samsung tv sporting all the mainstream apps and more, i’m amazed it’s taken YouView so long to get to this point.
I wonder if YouView can transparently adopt the metadata of third-party apps into its Search and Discover features, or if this requires changes and extensions on the part of those third parties?
If so, this might explain a few things about such delays.
I note that even now, on a well-established service such as BBC 4, that its metadata can suddenly go walkabout, which suggests that these areas don’t just run themselves, but need constant attention.
‘Does television exist for us to watch, or do we exist to watch television?’ - Noah Hawley
I’d much rather carry on as a strong supporter of YouView, and I imagine I will....however if the worse fears are realised - it fractures, and retail YouView is blocked from mainstream apps, then the reason that I’m here has gone. I’d reluctantly have to leave, and find a home with freeview play or freesat.
I very much doubt that will happen, and I hope to carry on with my enthusiastic support for YouView.
It’s already fractured, albeit in a minor, but telling, way. Netflix in surround sound is only available on the BT T4000 box.
A technical fracture rather than a commercial one I am sure, but unlike Netflix in UHD, which clearly only the T4000 can do, any box should be able to support Netflix in 5.1
Expect more fractures along the way.
A thought: Given that BT have an annoying habit of confusing BT TV (their value-add for YouView) with YouView itself, it may be that Amazon Video will pop up outside of the bit labelled BT TV for those whose ISP is BT, and be generally available to all YouView boxes, just like Netflix was. But I’m not holding my breath.....
The failure to bring 5.1 surround to all youview boxes is a pretty awful. You’re right Roy there have been a number of content issues, which have been dictated by BT. The surround sound issue on Netflix is a point in hand.
Also the paired down version of Nowtv is due to commercial wranglings between BT and Sky. The plus side is, now that they’ve buried the hatchet we should eventually see these other mainstream services on YouView...unless BT also wish to bury the retail arm of YouView.
BT aren’t in a position to bury the retail arm of YouView; the BBC wouldn’t stand for it, and all the sport in the world would not make up for the sudden loss of all BBC channels from YouView.
Actually, BT aren’t in a position to do anything much; anyone who could do the simple maths of dividing the costs of the sports rights they have been buying over the last few years by the likely number of paying punters it would attract, directly or indirectly, and comparing the result with the actual revenue coming in, could have predicted their current predicament.
Where the only bottom line enhanced by the bidding war between Sky and BT (both of whom have now rather pulled their horns in) belonged to Ferrari
‘Does television exist for us to watch, or do we exist to watch television?’ - Noah Hawley
There aren't any BBC stations on Youview, they are on Freeview. It is only the BBC iPlayer that is on Youview. Youview is mainly Freeview with the IP delivery bits.
Agree with Visionman, I think Amazon Prime will come to retail YouView. If the mainstream app doesn’t arrive platform wide it will signal the end of retail Youview as a concept and the PSB involvement, which I think is unlikely.
Just as well Amazon has some top line content planned other wise it could be a flop. $750 million lord of the rings series anyone?
I’d much rather carry on as a strong supporter of YouView, and I imagine I will....however if the worse fears are realised - it fractures, and retail YouView is blocked from mainstream apps, then the reason that I’m here has gone. I’d reluctantly have to leave, and find a home with freeview play or freesat.
I very much doubt that will happen, and I hope to carry on with my enthusiastic support for YouView.
It’s already fractured, albeit in a minor, but telling, way. Netflix in surround sound is only available on the BT T4000 box.
A technical fracture rather than a commercial one I am sure, but unlike Netflix in UHD, which clearly only the T4000 can do, any box should be able to support Netflix in 5.1
Expect more fractures along the way.
A thought: Given that BT have an annoying habit of confusing BT TV (their value-add for YouView) with YouView itself, it may be that Amazon Video will pop up outside of the bit labelled BT TV for those whose ISP is BT, and be generally available to all YouView boxes, just like Netflix was. But I’m not holding my breath.....
The failure to bring 5.1 surround to all youview boxes is a pretty awful. You’re right Roy there have been a number of content issues, which have been dictated by BT. The surround sound issue on Netflix is a point in hand.
Also the paired down version of Nowtv is due to commercial wranglings between BT and Sky. The plus side is, now that they’ve buried the hatchet we should eventually see these other mainstream services on YouView...unless BT also wish to bury the retail arm of YouView.
BT aren’t in a position to bury the retail arm of YouView; the BBC wouldn’t stand for it, and all the sport in the world would not make up for the sudden loss of all BBC channels from YouView.
Actually, BT aren’t in a position to do anything much; anyone who could do the simple maths of dividing the costs of the sports rights they have been buying over the last few years by the likely number of paying punters it would attract, directly or indirectly, and comparing the result with the actual revenue coming in, could have predicted their current predicament.
Where the only bottom line enhanced by the bidding war between Sky and BT (both of whom have now rather pulled their horns in) belonged to Ferrari
Poor view, the predicament BT are in are because the market has dropped out of it's Global Services and Public sector market and the squeeze by regulation. Consumer and EE are the ones actually increasing revenue. Also there are far more sums than Rights costs Vs Paying subscribers. There are advertising revenues, Pubs and Clubs, capture of BB and Mobile Quad play retention any many many more factors.
That said I agree BT would not be forcing YouView NOT to have Amazon, I believe that decision in entirely in YouView's grasp, either by not being able to agree terms themselves with Amazon or not wanting to support the app themselves or (as many predict) by just not actually announcing that they will be having it yet....
Poor view, the predicament BT are in are because the market has dropped out of it's Global Services and Public sector market and the squeeze by regulation. Consumer and EE are the ones actually increasing revenue. Also there are far more sums than Rights costs Vs Paying subscribers. There are advertising revenues, Pubs and Clubs, capture of BB and Mobile Quad play retention any many many more factors.
That said I agree BT would not be forcing YouView NOT to have Amazon, I believe that decision in entirely in YouView's grasp, either by not being able to agree terms themselves with Amazon or not wanting to support the app themselves or (as many predict) by just not actually announcing that they will be having it yet....
Poor view, the predicament BT are in are because the market has dropped out of it's Global Services and Public sector market and the squeeze by regulation. Consumer and EE are the ones actually increasing revenue. Also there are far more sums than Rights costs Vs Paying subscribers. There are advertising revenues, Pubs and Clubs, capture of BB and Mobile Quad play retention any many many more factors.
That said I agree BT would not be forcing YouView NOT to have Amazon, I believe that decision in entirely in YouView's grasp, either by not being able to agree terms themselves with Amazon or not wanting to support the app themselves or (as many predict) by just not actually announcing that they will be having it yet....
Revenue for the quarter and full year increased 3% driven by growth in Broadband, TV, Sport and Mobile, partially offset by line losses. BT Consumer 12-month rolling ARPU increased 5% to £41.7 per month, underpinned by the impact of price increases from January 2018 and fibre customer growth. Revenue generating units1 per customer grew 3% to 2.03.
BT Consumer revenue generating units per customer increased 3% to 2.03, with ARPU up 5% to £41.7
Order intake, on a rolling 12-month basis, up 1% to £3,391m for Business and Public Sector, down 28% to £1,419m for Wholesale and Ventures and down 17% to £3,845m for Global Services, reflecting market conditions and our strategy to exit lower margin business
Business and Public Sector Operating Profit 2016/2017 £1176m Business and Public Sector Operating Profit 2017/2018 £1053m (DOWN 123 million - 10%)Revenue DOWN 4%
Global Services Operating Profit 2016/2017 £56m Global Services Operating Profit 2017/2018 £10m (DOWN 46 million - 82%) Revenue DOWN 9%
Like I said Consumer profit up 4 million with revenue up 132 million...You struggle to increase profit while your revenue is declining. Consumer is at least pushing in the right direction....
If you go back further you will see Consumer Operating Profit for 2013/14 when they started in sports was £614m so even though it wavers it has still helped increase profit
And just to draw a line under this and get back to the topic please, the 'predicament' BT find themselves in, as you put it, is that they only made £3.991 Billion operating profit this year as opposed to £4.135 Billion last year. I could think of worse 'predicament's' to be in
And just to draw a line under this and get back to the topic please, the 'predicament' BT find themselves in, as you put it, is that they only made £3.991 Billion operating profit this year as opposed to £4.135 Billion last year. I could think of worse 'predicament's' to be in
Is the glass half full, or is it half empty? Let’s see what the coming year brings, while noting BT’s slow retreat from sport as a free driver for increased broadband subscriber take-up, to a paid service for all its users.
‘Does television exist for us to watch, or do we exist to watch television?’ - Noah Hawley
Oh dear quoting financials like you run the company........the mind boggles
Best not invest in anything as long as you hold that view then, @David8; put your money under your mattress, or at best let a FTSE 100 tracker run with it for you
‘Does television exist for us to watch, or do we exist to watch television?’ - Noah Hawley
Amazon Video is joining the content line up and will launch on BT first. The date is yet to be confirmed and when we have more news we will share it on the forum.
Jealous Sky Q user here, with the worst version of YouView on my Sony TV.
Id love Sky, Netflix & Amazon Prime on my Sky Q box, along with YouTube & Spotify.
Not sure how good Now TV will be but to use the 1 remote will be an advantage for BT TV users.
Is there any mention of Amazon Prime on YouView or just on BT TV.
im sure TalkTalk customers & YouView customers are watching the situation closely.
The only information we have regarding a YouView wide launch is Phil’s official statement above. From the wording of that little snippet I think it’s safe to say yes, it will be coming to the platform as a whole, but BT users will get it first.
Welcome news in a way, but otherwise I don't see the fuss to be honest, there are so many other ways, with a Roku and Chromecast the world is your lobster, Rodney.
I guess this is a significant U.K. development. It represents coming of age for Amazon becoming mainstream, sitting along side PSB’s, and ISP’s with there respective apps and traditional style broadcasting. Having Amazon integrated so intimately with mainstream TV is going to open up its programming to a lot more people, many who’ve probably no idea about chrome casts or fire TVs, and have no desire to stick a dongle in their Televisions.
Tv has changed pretty dramatically over the last 5 years. Coming of age for YouView too embracing the new big players in tv.
You haven't seen Amazon or Netflix on any smart TVs released in the last few years? Don't you think that is where most punters are likely to find it integrated with "mainstream" TV?
TV viewing habits have changed drastically over the last few years. With even traditional linear channel 1 - 5 viewers watching catch up. In fact, the fact they know about catch up in the first place and how to access and watch it speaks volumes.
YouView will be the first platform to host Amazon, Netflix and all 4 PSB players side by side. Not bad.
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It’s already fractured, albeit in a minor, but telling, way. Netflix in surround sound is only available on the BT T4000 box.
A technical fracture rather than a commercial one I am sure, but unlike Netflix in UHD, which clearly only the T4000 can do, any box should be able to support Netflix in 5.1
Expect more fractures along the way.
A thought: Given that BT have an annoying habit of confusing BT TV (their value-add for YouView) with YouView itself, it may be that Amazon Video will pop up outside of the bit labelled BT TV for those whose ISP is BT, and be generally available to all YouView boxes, just like Netflix was.
But I’m not holding my breath.....
Also the paired down version of Nowtv is due to commercial ranglings between BT and Sky. The plus side is, now that they’ve buried the hatchet we should eventually see these other mainstream services on YouView...unless BT also wish to bury the retail arm of YouView.
Those with YouView TVs (like me) have had it for years and I'm of the opinion the GUI isn't that good or intuitive (indeed, its awkward) and it doesn't come with masses of top line content. Plus its available far and wide, very cheaply, elsewhere. Up to now I only know its a BT'er. But I would be amazed if it stayed that way and wasn't pushed to TT, PN and retail.
Early days yet, so I wouldn't personally speculate devastating doom and gloom too much, if at all.
If so, this might explain a few things about such delays.
I note that even now, on a well-established service such as BBC 4, that its metadata can suddenly go walkabout, which suggests that these areas don’t just run themselves, but need constant attention.
Actually, BT aren’t in a position to do anything much; anyone who could do the simple maths of dividing the costs of the sports rights they have been buying over the last few years by the likely number of paying punters it would attract, directly or indirectly, and comparing the result with the actual revenue coming in, could have predicted their current predicament.
Where the only bottom line enhanced by the bidding war between Sky and BT (both of whom have now rather pulled their horns in) belonged to Ferrari
Just as well Amazon has some top line content planned other wise it could be a flop. $750 million lord of the rings series anyone?
Poor view, the predicament BT are in are because the market has dropped out of it's Global Services and Public sector market and the squeeze by regulation. Consumer and EE are the ones actually increasing revenue. Also there are far more sums than Rights costs Vs Paying subscribers. There are advertising revenues, Pubs and Clubs, capture of BB and Mobile Quad play retention any many many more factors.
That said I agree BT would not be forcing YouView NOT to have Amazon, I believe that decision in entirely in YouView's grasp, either by not being able to agree terms themselves with Amazon or not wanting to support the app themselves or (as many predict) by just not actually announcing that they will be having it yet....
Consumer Operating Profit 2016/2017 £803m
Consumer Operating Profit 2017/2018 £807m
Revenue for the quarter and full year increased 3% driven by growth in Broadband, TV, Sport and Mobile, partially offset by line losses. BT Consumer 12-month rolling ARPU increased 5% to £41.7 per month, underpinned by the impact of price increases from January 2018 and fibre customer growth. Revenue generating units1 per customer grew 3% to 2.03.
https://www.btplc.com/Sharesandperformance/Quarterlyresults/2017-2018/Q4/Downloads/Newsrelease/q418-release.pdf
BT Consumer revenue generating units per customer increased 3% to 2.03, with ARPU up 5% to £41.7 Order intake, on a rolling 12-month basis, up 1% to £3,391m for Business and Public Sector, down 28% to £1,419m for Wholesale and Ventures and down 17% to £3,845m for Global Services, reflecting market conditions and our strategy to exit lower margin business
Business and Public Sector Operating Profit 2016/2017 £1176m
Business and Public Sector Operating Profit 2017/2018 £1053m (DOWN 123 million - 10%)Revenue DOWN 4%
Global Services Operating Profit 2016/2017 £56m
Global Services Operating Profit 2017/2018 £10m (DOWN 46 million - 82%) Revenue DOWN 9%
Like I said Consumer profit up 4 million with revenue up 132 million...You struggle to increase profit while your revenue is declining. Consumer is at least pushing in the right direction....
If you go back further you will see Consumer Operating Profit for 2013/14 when they started in sports was £614m so even though it wavers it has still helped increase profit
Best not invest in anything as long as you hold that view then, @David8; put your money under your mattress, or at best let a FTSE 100 tracker run with it for you
Amazon Video is joining the content line up and will launch on BT first. The date is yet to be confirmed and when we have more news we will share it on the forum.
with the worst version of YouView on my Sony TV.
Id love Sky, Netflix & Amazon Prime on my Sky Q box, along with YouTube & Spotify.
Not sure how good Now TV will be but to use the 1 remote will be an advantage for BT TV users.
Is there any mention of Amazon Prime on YouView or just on BT TV.
im sure TalkTalk customers & YouView customers are watching the situation closely.
Having Amazon integrated so intimately with mainstream TV is going to open up its programming to a lot more people, many who’ve probably no idea about chrome casts or fire TVs, and have no desire to stick a dongle in their Televisions.
Tv has changed pretty dramatically over the last 5 years. Coming of age for YouView too embracing the new big players in tv.
YouView will be the first platform to host Amazon, Netflix and all 4 PSB players side by side.
Not bad.
Huh? Loads of smart TVs do that already, don't they? Apple TV? Roku?