USB

ABC1234ABC1234 Posts: 29Time out
The purpose of the USB slot on my Youview box is  no use to the consumer of the service, but via a freeview play box or freeview play TV such as Panasonic, I can record a programme and  take the USB with me, play it on another TV such as take it to a friends, Play it on my computer,  so if I want to relax in a coffee shop I can put on my headphones and catch up.  I  do not need wifi,  all I need to do is plug in the USB pen and my recording are with me, I can go round to someones house and watch the show with others that I have recorded.  USB Recording - if YOUVIEW say it is due to licencing laws - how come Freeview Play and my Panasonic TV allow me to record and use in other devices.   If youview allowed the use of USB recordings this would be a much better selling point of the brand.

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  • joneshjonesh Posts: 1,187Member ✭✭✭
    SW007 said:
    Freeview Play and my Panasonic TV allow me to record and use in other devices.
    Which Panasonic TV have you got @SW007? I am in the market for a new TV and I would be interested in one with that facility.
  • RoyRoy Posts: 14,201Member ✭✭✭
    SW007 said:
    The purpose of the USB slot on my Youview box is  no use to the consumer of the service, but via a freeview play box or freeview play TV such as Panasonic, I can record a programme and  take the USB with me, play it on another TV such as take it to a friends, Play it on my computer,  so if I want to relax in a coffee shop I can put on my headphones and catch up.  I  do not need wifi,  all I need to do is plug in the USB pen and my recording are with me, I can go round to someones house and watch the show with others that I have recorded.  USB Recording - if YOUVIEW say it is due to licencing laws - how come Freeview Play and my Panasonic TV allow me to record and use in other devices.   If youview allowed the use of USB recordings this would be a much better selling point of the brand.
    HD or just SD?
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  • ABC1234ABC1234 Posts: 29Time out
    Hi have the Panasonic 55 Inch TX-55FX700B Smart 4K UHD TV with HDR
  • ABC1234ABC1234 Posts: 29Time out
    Roy: HD AND SD - I think it records HD I have recorded 101 BBC so that is HD but I am not sure if it records in HD, can't sometimes tell the difference.  
  • RoyRoy Posts: 14,201Member ✭✭✭
    edited 13 September 2018, 8:02AM
    Hi @SW007

    The manual for your TV, let alone your USB stick, defeats all my attempts to copy from it except screenshotting it as below, but the reference shown mandates a USB device >160GB. So I guess you must have a 256GB stick for it - feasible, at least.

    However, take the red link there back to pages 132 and 133, and as per the screenshotted paragraphs below, there remain a couple of disconnects between your recollection of being able to play recordings from the stick in other places, and the paragraphs that say the recordings can only be played back on the TV that made them (and perhaps not even then if the TV has been through a repair process),

    It seems unlikely that you would be lugging a 55in TV along to a coffee shop, so which is correct, your recollection, or the printed manual for the product?




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  • Tim CTim C Posts: 325Member ✭✭
    SW007 said:
    The purpose of the USB slot on my Youview box is  no use to the consumer of the service, but via a freeview play box or freeview play TV such as Panasonic, I can record a programme and  take the USB with me, play it on another TV such as take it to a friends, Play it on my computer,  so if I want to relax in a coffee shop I can put on my headphones and catch up.  I  do not need wifi,  all I need to do is plug in the USB pen and my recording are with me, I can go round to someones house and watch the show with others that I have recorded.  USB Recording - if YOUVIEW say it is due to licencing laws - how come Freeview Play and my Panasonic TV allow me to record and use in other devices.   If youview allowed the use of USB recordings this would be a much better selling point of the brand.
    Unless you've actually done it I'd say you can't take the USB drive from the TV & view it's contents elsewhere as a PC won't recognise it & neither will a Panasonic BluRay player. Just tried the SSD on my TX50EX750 on my PC & Bluray player and it's as the manual says.
  • If recording transferrable HD is what you want to do I would recommend Silicondust. Other solutions are too frightened of "enabling piracy" to allow the unencrypted saving of HD streams.
  • RoyRoy Posts: 14,201Member ✭✭✭
    If recording transferrable HD is what you want to do I would recommend Silicondust. Other solutions are too frightened of "enabling piracy" to allow the unencrypted saving of HD streams.
    Yes, it would be great if YouView implemented something like this so we could watch anywhere in the home, but I got the flavour that as regards watching on TVs, this is limited to Android TVs, though maybe I could cast from a tablet or somesuch to any Miracast-enabled TV?

    But I don’t see a USB port on the device, and from what I read this box seems to be limited to your home WiFi connection, so how would this match @SW007’s desires to ‘watch at a friend’s’ or ‘watch in a coffee shop’?
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  • RoyRoy Posts: 14,201Member ✭✭✭
    edited 13 September 2018, 9:34PM
    jonesh said:
    There’s a world of geek out there, which is to YouView, and indeed any mainstream consumer PVR, what Linux is to Windows; for the ordinary person an impenetrable forest of incomprehensibility, but for the enthusiast, the glorious sunlit uplands of unparalleled freedom, with only the mantraps every few yards to worry about.

    With little strangenesses; a box that can get satellite, cable, and HD OTA channels, but not SD ones? What’s the target audience for that, even in the heart of geekdom?

    And ‘bout half a million ( (c) Chuck Berry) software add-ons you can have, some of which you need, but you don’t yet know which ones?

    To enter the twilight world where Kodi (“It’s just software, honest - we have no control over what people do with it”) runs the Jolly Roger up its mast and shows its true potential?

    You can buy one of these things, and save maybe fifty quid over the price of a YouView box, but instead of a passive consumer device, you will get a voracious beast that you either decide you can’t control, or something that will Devour Your Life  >:)
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  • joneshjonesh Posts: 1,187Member ✭✭✭
    Thanks Roy.

    There is a DVB-C/T/T2 Twin Hybrid Tuner Module available, but nevertheless, I think that I will steer clear.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,883Member ✭✭✭
    I'm not aware one can lift USB recordings from one device and then play them on another.
    As its my understanding all recordings are slaved to the device you record them on.
  • joneshjonesh Posts: 1,187Member ✭✭✭
    Visionman said:
    As its my understanding all recordings are slaved to the device you record them on.
    That is the case with current UK spec devices, @Visionman.
  • andro101010andro101010 Posts: 15Member
    edited 14 September 2018, 2:06PM
    The current Ofcom spec is that to use the brand names Freeview or Youview the hardware has to encrypt any HD recordings. Last time I looked it was a requirement (certainly of the BBC) that the Free-to-air channels are broadcast unencrypted. IIRC they are allowed to encrypt the guide and now/next and accurate recording data. This was a classic compromise.
    Any computer with connected DVB-T2 tuner should be able to save unencrypted files to USB.

  • RoyRoy Posts: 14,201Member ✭✭✭
    edited 14 September 2018, 2:10PM
    The current Ofcom spec is that to use the brand names Freeview or Youview the hardware has to encrypt any HD recordings. Last time I looked it was a requirement (certainly of the BBC) that the Free-to-air channels are broadcast unencrypted. IIRC they are allowed to encrypt the guide and now/next and accurate recording data. This was a classic compromise.
    Any computer with connected DVB-T2 tuner should be able to save unencrypted files to USB.

    Wow, you didn’t even have approval to say you needed approval to say any more.

    Who on earth from?
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  • Dunno. Previous attempts to post just bounced. In 2010 Ofcom were talking about introducing encryption onto one multiplex but that seems to have stalled.
  • RoyRoy Posts: 14,201Member ✭✭✭
    Dunno. Previous attempts to post just bounced. In 2010 Ofcom were talking about introducing encryption onto one multiplex but that seems to have stalled.
    How odd. Were you perhaps trying to post a reply via the link at the bottom of an email reply from the Community?

    It says you can, but you can’t, something we have been trying since Day 1 to get fixed, either to allow it, or not to offer the option. (@Sarah, where have we got to with this?)

    But if you go in via the ‘Check it out:’ link, or whatever method you are using now, you should be fine to say whatever you wanted to say before.
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  • joneshjonesh Posts: 1,187Member ✭✭✭
    Any computer with connected DVB-T2 tuner should be able to save unencrypted files to USB.
    I am aware of that @andro101010. My comment was in the context of domestic TV devices.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 8,883Member ✭✭✭
    @andro101010
    Quite simply no. And my comment extends beyond YouView and includes all UK PVRs.
    All boxes have a record once encryption, whether SD or HD and one cannot shift recordings from one device to another, as they are slaved to the device you recorded them on.
  • RoyRoy Posts: 14,201Member ✭✭✭
    Visionman said:
    @andro101010
    Quite simply no. And my comment extends beyond YouView and includes all UK PVRs.
    All boxes have a record once encryption, whether SD or HD and one cannot shift recordings from one device to another, as they are slaved to the device you recorded them on.
    Not quite, according to @Stephen; you can extract and play SD recordings made OTA. That is about the limit of what you can do, though.
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  • andro101010andro101010 Posts: 15Member
    edited 17 September 2018, 1:29PM
    Deleted as these were all attempts to post the same thing,
  • andro101010andro101010 Posts: 15Member
    edited 17 September 2018, 1:30PM
    Deleted as these were all attempts to post the same thing,
  • andro101010andro101010 Posts: 15Member
    edited 17 September 2018, 1:30PM
    Deleted as these were all attempts to post the same thing,

  • */GeekMode True
    Use the free HDHomerun software on a Windows, Linux or Mac for saving to USB, transcode if you need to, then take it to the friends or the coffee shop.
    Any DLNA capable TV (list of device) should be able to read the live stream off the HomeRun. I don't think any TVs can save the .TS files directly to USB. 
    If you want to 'watch anywhere' over the Internet you'd need to have a computer at home running something like a Plex pass or 'Channels DVR'. A bit more complex and an extra monthly cost. Plus you're reliant upon your home upstream rate.
    */GeekMode False
    It can be done, but that's why I'm still with Youview ;-).

  • @Visionman
    Not sure what your "no" is in relation to. Most manufacturers went down the route of "let's encrypt everything to only run on the one box"  but as ever YMMV. The old Humax boxes only recorded SD but allowed uploads over USB. I think the Topfield had similar. Not really sure about the modern ones. The decision to allow EPG encryption is ancient history now 
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