Just to clarify, YouView has
not been purchased by BT and is still equally owned by BBC, ITV, C4, C5, BT,
Talk Talk and Arqiva.
YouView makes available the functionality for remote
record to our business partners, so that they can integrate into their apps,
which BT has been using on their app for a few years now.
The decision to no
longer support the YouView app is solely reflected of YouView’s five year
strategy which will focus on delivering other features to all YouView business partners.
To reiterate from my post yesterday, we are not removing software support for non-subscription YouView boxes and the non-subscription boxes will not be losing any functionality other than the ability to remotely record via an app.
It does. It seems even stranger that TalkTalk are losing their app though.
@redchiz I think the difference is the TalkTalk app wasn't actually a TalkTalk app, it was just the youView app with a TalkTalk skin. Therefore if YouView withdraw the app the TalkTalk skinned version is lost also. It will need either TalkTalk or Humax to 'host' their own app with the recording facility built in to get this back.
BT's app has always been fundamentally different, hosted and developed 'in house' with many other features (IP channels, BT Player, Purchases etc) with just the mechanics of the remote recording features for the STB built in.
@scott Indeed, but "... YouView makes available the functionality for remote record to our business partners..." and TalkTalk are a partner, so ....? Hence my confusion.And no mention of Huawei in all this, who of course supply TalkTalk boxes.
So as I have said if TalkTalk build their own app and host it themselves they can incorporate the Remote record functionality from YouView into it and it will work fine. Obviously there is a cost to this and one I can't see TalkTalk spending, but who knows.
Same for Huawei and Humax but as they don't take any 'ongoing' payments only the one off cost of the box I can't see them rushing especially as the last retail boxes they made are over 5 years old.
OK, so Sarah is wrong.
More likely the end of selling of Youview boxes direct to the consumer...
kodikid said:Fact 2 BT want the remote app for their pay tv.
Something smells very wrong here.
The App is going because YouView is allegedly transitioning to a B2B2C model, where YouView is the first B, and the ISPs are the second B and we independent users are no longer customers of YouView. And even those of us whose ISP is one of the second Bs are not customers, unless we subscribe to our ISP’s TV service.
But of even those who are, PlusNet and TalkTalk subscribers are going to get shafted over the App, as they won’t have one to use either.
Behind the scenes, at a guess, TalkTalk were offered the infrastructure behind the App, since the TalkTalk App is just a skin on the YouView App, but declined to take it on, even just for TalkTalk customers, let alone all us retail users.
And BT will decline to open up their, independent, version of the App to us. Even, perhaps, to the owners of BT Retail boxes, who are likewise going to get shafted over this if not.
But YouView is, apparently, going to keep the Community. Why? While nominally a C2C thing, it’s always been B2C as well (and all the better for it). But YouView aren’t going to be B2C any more, they say, in the rationale for ceasing the App.
So why B2C over the Community? Are they implying that the BT TV and TalkTalk Communities won’t cope? Or that they might, but it would cut YouView off from a valuable source of information? Which, presumably, if this is a reason for things, means that YouView glean nothing from the App usage? Can you believe that?
Because if YouView did analyse the results, then they would know that even people watching YouView use the App, while actively watching an earlier programme, or a recording. Because you can do it on the App without having to interrupt the running programme to set recordings there.
Fact is, that the main way I use the App, and now I’m going to lose that. Along with being able to use the TalkTalk app to control a second YouView box, on this same iPad. Now, even anyone with the BT App will need as many devices as they have YouView boxes to set things up.
Or maybe YouView are hoping that, having strayed so far from their original remit and now proposing to stray even further, that the Community will be a figleaf to stave off any sanctions from OfCom?
Does not compute, as they say.
What else does not compute is what YouView’s future plans are in this B2B2C model.
I would expect that to mean:-
No more Community;
No more retail T2000s sold, or allowed to be sold, by Humax;
No more updates for YouView Retail boxes, whether from YouView or from the partners, e.g. the catchup players;
Withdrawal of other services, e.g. the enhanced metadata that accompanies the EPG;
So I would like it, @Sarah, if YouView would clarify what services they will and won’t be providing to Retail box owners in the future.
My guess is they will have to keep enough services going to make singling out the App for cessation look decidedly odd.
Which, together with all the mealy-mouthed corporate-speak about the reasons for this decision, make me wonder if they are the real reasons at all, and there is something else altogether going on.
My wife’s suitably cynical response is ‘follow the money’, a trail that leads straight to BT’s door, but what their motives here might be, I have no idea. Just being a dog on the manger? Or to have their rival YouView Retail and TalkTalk streams crippled by the loss of the App, even at the cost of their own BT Retail stream suffering similar collateral damage? It seems unlikely, but.....
However, for me, although YouView was, and still is, unique in what it does, I am using my boxes less and less; and despite growing and extending what the boxes can do, it has still been a constant disappointment to me for the all things it could have done and didn’t, or did do, but did badly.
Time for a new TV later this year (and whatever it is, it will *not* be a Sony, with the sorry truncated YouView-in-name-only which is all it can support).
And maybe time for a rethink on what box sits under it?
Claire Twine said:
So this is probably a stupid question - if you are a BT customer, but NOT a BT TV customer, I’m guessing you can’t use the BT TV App? I’m disgusted by the news as I use the App quite a bit, why no replacement App for retail bought owners?