YouView & FreeView/FreeSat Merger

DJHB1980DJHB1980 Member Posts: 160
My long held hopes are of YouView doing satellite as well as over the air.

The FreeSat/FreeView merger gives them this opportunity to adjust their backend software & prepare a hybrid box of aerial/Sat inputs a decent processor with WiFi internet with apps & an SSD or HDD with storage. 

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  • onceuponatimeonceuponatime Member Posts: 32
    What are you really after?
    As various people have pointed out on other threads there's not much to be gained by receiving both Freesat and Freeview broadcast services. 

    Are you in a bad DTT signal area so rely on Freesat but like the YouView box features? If so maybe ask Freesat to make a better box or support IP services like Now(TV)?

    Do you regularly move between houses with different Freesat/view setups and want to take a box with you? Maybe have a look at Roy's remote access setup which he's described a few times.

    Or is this about the YouView on Sony app on your TV? That isn't magically going to get better because two companies in the same industry are merging. That's very much between YouView and Sony, not Freeview/sat.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,622 ✭✭✭
    @onceuponatime

    I haven’t used the Slingbox for a while now, and they will be shutting up shop pretty soon, so going that route isn’t really an option any more.

    We’ve now got 2 TVs with Freeview and Freesat, but nobody seems to make a PVR with both.

    And if anybody ever did, it wouldn’t be YouView, who don’t even have their own box on the market any more.

    I’m also a bit bemused that @DJHB1980 thinks that anything very much has changed by dint of Freeview and Freesat being managed by the same company now. If there are new and advantageous commercial terms, I haven’t heard anything about them. And the current arrangements don’t seem to be a barrier to the Freeview plus Freesat TVs, like the ones we have now. 

    Of course these TVs only have one tuner for each, and a joint PVR is going to need two of each, so that cost is a consideration.

    But what is the bitter complaint against the new Humax Aura? No Freesat? Hardly. No Netflix. A streaming service. Time to wake up and smell the coffee; and it won’t be YouView flavoured, and nor Freesat either.
    Supporting YouView on Sony TVs is like nailing jelly to a herd of cats
  • DJHB1980DJHB1980 Member Posts: 160
    Many TV’s have dual tuner aerial and 2 satellite inputs. 
    FreeView & FreeSat are just essentially software hacks / Apps. 
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,622 ✭✭✭
    edited 20 April 2021, 5:15PM
    DJHB1980 said:
    Many TV’s have dual tuner aerial and 2 satellite inputs. 
    FreeView & FreeSat are just essentially software hacks / Apps. 
    People who talk about SMOPs and use the ‘j’ word don’t usually make their living as software developers. 

    Unlike those who do, like me for instance, and don’t tend to minimise any of it.

    Supporting YouView on Sony TVs is like nailing jelly to a herd of cats
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,040 ✭✭✭
    Totally agree with Roy, but theres also another consideration - the sales of smart TVs are huge, the sales of PVRs, in what is today a streaming world, aren't. So the commercial drive for a manufacturer to make one is even further zero than the last time you mentioned it. 
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • DarrenDarren Member, Super User Posts: 473 ✭✭
    edited 20 April 2021, 7:55PM
    I still like to record a programme at times for I still find at lest 10%/12% of shows are still not available on demand.
    I do agree the sales of smart TVs  have been on the increase.
    There is now not as many PVRs on sale in the like of Argos as there used to me say a few years ago.
    The likes of Ruko as well as Amazon Fire TV devices have also seen there sales increase over the last or so.
    Even my sister moved her T2000 Youview retail box to her bedroom when she got her 2019 Samsung 4k smart TV and I got her a 1gb USB stick to put in the back for her TV and so far she's only used that for time shift. So she can pause live TV and fast forward some of the ads.
    She's like me and well over half the monthly TV viewing is now streaming via free ones as well as the main payed for ones.
  • DJHB1980DJHB1980 Member Posts: 160
    Roy said:
    DJHB1980 said:
    Many TV’s have dual tuner aerial and 2 satellite inputs. 
    FreeView & FreeSat are just essentially software hacks / Apps. 
    People who talk about SMOPs and use the ‘j’ word don’t usually make their living as software developers. 

    Unlike those who do, like me for instance, and don’t tend to minimise any of it.

    So would you be able to put software together that blends FreeSat & FreeView into a decent interface? 
    Yes or No

    if the kit is already there as in dual tuners of both the aerial & satellite what is the limitations orb the difficulties you may come up against. 

    There is FreeView & FreeSat & Internet & Apps
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,622 ✭✭✭
    @DJHB1980

    Remind me again - where are the satellite tuners on a YouView box?
    Supporting YouView on Sony TVs is like nailing jelly to a herd of cats
  • DJHB1980DJHB1980 Member Posts: 160
    Roy said:
    @DJHB1980

    Remind me again - where are the satellite tuners on a YouView box?
    They are on most TV’s
    & any new PVR could easily have both sets of inputs. 
  • onceuponatimeonceuponatime Member Posts: 32
    DJHB1980 said:
    FreeView & FreeSat are just essentially software hacks / Apps. 
    Technically they're a large set of standards, services and infrastructure which deliver video, audio and related metadata to your home via the aether. Your TV or box manufacturer does most of the software that you see by following said standards. 
    DJHB1980 said:
    So would you be able to put software together that blends FreeSat & FreeView into a decent interface? 
    But the question remains, why would you want to do that?
    I'm genuinely not trying to be an *** about it, what's the actual benefit beyond "one (expensive) box to rule them all"?
    Darren said:
    ... well over half the monthly TV viewing is now streaming via free ones as well as the main payed for ones.
    This - maybe it would be easier to get and channels you're missing down the network connection most TVs and boxes already have rather than paying more to add an extra tuner that we've not yet found the reason to have?

  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 574 ✭✭
    edited 23 April 2021, 1:32AM
    Or.....
    Place a freeview box on top of a freesat box then glue the remotes together and bliss your dreams come true. 
    Maybe start a cottage industry selling them on amazon for the eagerly awaiting masses. 
    You could even pitch it on dragons den calling it the tuna combo (if subway don't object )
    Can't believe no one has actually thought of this brilliant answer to the question that no one's asked.
    Ignore this if you disagree. 
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,622 ✭✭✭
    Let’s stand this whole thing on its head. 

    @DJHB1980, take one of these TVs you know about with two pairs of tuners, and plug a couple of hard drives/USB sticks in a couple of its USB sockets.

    Then not only have you got all the functionality you desire, you even have it on a device with a built-in screen.

    Why would anybody want a ‘blind’ box, compared with that? 😛
    Supporting YouView on Sony TVs is like nailing jelly to a herd of cats
  • joneshjonesh Member, Super User Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭
    edited 23 April 2021, 12:33PM
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,622 ✭✭✭
    jonesh said:
    Excellent. For not much over £50-£100 more, when expanded to meet the same spec, than a separate pair of Freesat and Freeview PVRs, from brands you have heard of, and which shield you from the howling gale of Unix 😛
    Supporting YouView on Sony TVs is like nailing jelly to a herd of cats
  • AshAsh Member Posts: 272 ✭✭
    jonesh said:
     I think I will stick to my Humax Aura. Rather unusually Humax are doing a decent job with the software update. So far it had one major firmware update (presumably to update the major core components of the OS, which probably can't be done without a restart) and several smaller updates which are done by updating specific software components within the android/android TV as Google has now changed the way they handle updates. The best way to describe how things now works would be to say that the software is now serious blocks fit together rather than one big piece of software. This might have been one of the reasons why Humax decided to make an android TV powered device.

    It took another update today. The UI now looks very similar to Google TV, although it's not quite the same, and the specific functions for refining recommendations are removed.

    Now I just need 'now' (previously known as nowTV) and the Netflix on it
  • joneshjonesh Member, Super User Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭
    Roy said:
    jonesh said:
    Excellent. For not much over £50-£100 more, when expanded to meet the same spec, than a separate pair of Freesat and Freeview PVRs, from brands you have heard of, and which shield you from the howling gale of Unix 😛
    Yes.
    Youview boxes are relatively inexpensive devices. The cost of adding a dual satellite tuner would be a significantly bigger proportion of the production cost than it would be for a TV. 
  • DJHB1980DJHB1980 Member Posts: 160
    Maybe I'm looking for too much from a 1 device super solution.

    I apologise if I’ve frustrated anyone.

    internet Apps FreeView & FreeSat with a harmonised EPG and delivery system. Maybe someone will do it but it seems it won’t be YouView. 

    Be it a box or built into the TV I still believe there is a market for it. All the moving parts are Available in some cases are already there.

    maybe i think like this because I had a BluRay/VCR combo, with a hard drive PVR which did everything backwards and forwards. 
    Also saw a 3D TV with built in BluRay which at the time was mind boggling 

    I just love the 1 device solutions & know they work and it can be done.
  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 574 ✭✭
    edited 27 April 2021, 7:04PM
    Funny you singled out 3D and VCR, both obsolete tech. 
    I'm convinced people only use freesat as they can't get a decent terrestrial single and not out of preference and it brings absolutely nothing to the freeview table.
    Really don't see why you hanker for such a pointless addition. 
    Ignore this if you disagree. 
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,622 ✭✭✭
    edited 27 April 2021, 9:16PM
    kodikid said:
    Funny you singled out 3D and VCR, both obsolete tech. 
    I'm convinced people only use freesat as they can't get a decent terrestrial signal and not out of preference and it brings absolutely nothing to the freeview table.
    Really don't see why you hanker for such a pointless addition. 
    @kodikid

    I’ve connected and enabled our Freesat because we can’t get COM7, which carries BBC4 in HD, and which I am rather partial to.

    But it’s a complete bugger to swap our LG TVs from Freeview to Freesat, (though I am still trying to figure out how my wife did it by accident once, as she couldn’t possibly have taken the only, long-winded, route I know).

    But even then, the only reason I can do it is that both terrestrial and satellite signal are pumped into our house from a central server, down the thinnest yellow piece of fibre optic you ever saw, and then surface in every room, thanks to the hi tech overkill you can see in this camera shot (there’s a Philips Hue hub and a Hive hub to the left of the BT router, but they are almost whited out):-



    which we have extended ourselves (or at least my wife has, under my mild direction as to topography, but the neatness, cable routing and labelling, which I could never hope to emulate, are all down to her).

    Or else we would probably not have bothered.

    But it does reveal the other principal reason people have Freesat; they have a satellite dish, probably ex-Sky, and they don’t want to shell out for a terrestrial aerial, and this leads them to Freesat.

    But you would have to be in a pretty unusual situation to want a PVR that would record both Freeview and Freesat; you’d need a dish and an aerial, or a setup like we have. Plus a situation like we have, where we can get most Freeview and Freesat channels, but are forced onto Freesat for BBC4 HD, and might like to record it. 

    But, alas, the USB stick dangling behind the LG TV for such rare occasions sounds the death knell for any interest we might have in a combined Freeview and Freesat PVR that anyone might build, and then try to market 😢
    Supporting YouView on Sony TVs is like nailing jelly to a herd of cats
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