Add DLNA functionality

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  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,411 ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:38AM
    JamesB said:

    "... can more than cope with the demands of YV box and TV simultaneously, just with the addition of a basic switch, as above."

    I deleted part of my post due to uncertainty about this. So one could for instance stream a silent film from the YouView iPlayer, while simultaneously streaming a soundtrack of one's choice from NAS to the TV's DLNA client? In theory at least? (not sure my tv would let me do this)

    No, not that!

    I mean that both the TV and the YV box can be undertaking internet activity at the same time - you could have the YV Box looking at BBC iPlayer catchup, while the TV was looking at Ch4 Player catchup, and both would stream in perfectly well, as long as your basic internet bandwidth was man enough for it - i.e the Powerline/switch combination would not be the bottleneck, and nor would the two signals fight in the mains cables and get hopelessly tangled up.

    That you couldn't watch/experience both at once is a limitation of your TV, unless it can do real PiP, in which case you could see it all working.

    Such capability will become more important if/when you can record internet channels, when the YV box could be doing this while you have something else Smart on the TV.

    Unless the multicast requirements get in the way, of course, and absolutely demand a clear and unique signal path from router to device. But I can't see why they would.
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  • JamesBJamesB Member Posts: 841
    edited 31 March 2014, 11:11AM
    JamesB said:

    "... can more than cope with the demands of YV box and TV simultaneously, just with the addition of a basic switch, as above."

    I deleted part of my post due to uncertainty about this. So one could for instance stream a silent film from the YouView iPlayer, while simultaneously streaming a soundtrack of one's choice from NAS to the TV's DLNA client? In theory at least? (not sure my tv would let me do this)

    It does have PIP. How can I tell if it's real?
  • edited 4 May 2017, 12:39AM
    Well it's good that you guys have found a work-around for John's problem, but there is so much more than this that DLNA could bring to YouView. So John's question remains:
    "Is there any update on this topic!!!"

    This is the second most requested feature in the forum (http://community.youview.com/youview/...).
    Yet it has no indication as to whether it is "Under consideration", "Planned", "Not planned" etc
    Which brings me right back to: http://community.youview.com/youview/...
    Smiley
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,411 ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:38AM
    JamesB said:

    "... can more than cope with the demands of YV box and TV simultaneously, just with the addition of a basic switch, as above."

    I deleted part of my post due to uncertainty about this. So one could for instance stream a silent film from the YouView iPlayer, while simultaneously streaming a soundtrack of one's choice from NAS to the TV's DLNA client? In theory at least? (not sure my tv would let me do this)

    See what it can show you is the easiest way. If all else fails, read the manual..

    Some TVs can only do PiP from a PC signal; others from the external sources (which should include YV).

    I've got a TV that can do PiP from broadcast, but it just runs round the other channels with its single tuner, capturing stills.

    'Real' Pip, which I should have been more specific about, perhaps, has the PiP picture actually moving. Our big Sony can do this, from broadcast for one signal and an AV input for the other, and you can swap big/small.

    My DigitalStream PVR can do it with two broadcast signals, but then it has two tuners.
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  • JamesBJamesB Member Posts: 841
    edited 31 March 2014, 11:11AM
    JamesB said:

    "... can more than cope with the demands of YV box and TV simultaneously, just with the addition of a basic switch, as above."

    I deleted part of my post due to uncertainty about this. So one could for instance stream a silent film from the YouView iPlayer, while simultaneously streaming a soundtrack of one's choice from NAS to the TV's DLNA client? In theory at least? (not sure my tv would let me do this)

    There seems to be nothing "unreal" about the PIP facility on the TV. I set BBC News streaming on one connected device (NowTV box) and turned on the PIP. The DTT channel playing on the TV appeared as expected and caused no interference with the NowTV box stream - as also expected.

    But when I changed the TV to an internet channel, when I went back to the NowTv box the PIP rectangle showed only a black screen. When I went back to the TV, I found that that stream had been interrupted completely. It started up again without any keypresses from me. When I returned to the NowTV screen, stream there was still running but the PIP had been switched off.

    So the PIP facility on this TV (2012 Samsung) does NOT work when both sources are streaming.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,411 ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:38AM
    gwatuk said:

    Well it's good that you guys have found a work-around for John's problem, but there is so much more than this that DLNA could bring to YouView. So John's question remains:
    "Is there any update on this topic!!!"

    This is the second most requested feature in the forum (http://community.youview.com/youview/...).
    Yet it has no indication as to whether it is "Under consideration", "Planned", "Not planned" etc
    Which brings me right back to: http://community.youview.com/youview/...
    Smiley

    Yes, but I'm a 'half a loaf' sort of person.

    Which means I'd rather spend half my time loafing around than banging my head on a brick wall. But you go right ahead - don't let me stop you :-)
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  • churchwardenchurchwarden Member Posts: 795
    edited 2 December 2016, 8:27PM
    gwatuk said:

    Well it's good that you guys have found a work-around for John's problem, but there is so much more than this that DLNA could bring to YouView. So John's question remains:
    "Is there any update on this topic!!!"

    This is the second most requested feature in the forum (http://community.youview.com/youview/...).
    Yet it has no indication as to whether it is "Under consideration", "Planned", "Not planned" etc
    Which brings me right back to: http://community.youview.com/youview/...
    Smiley

    I really admire your persistence, Gwatuk. Most other people, like me, appear to have given up. The sad truth, from all the evidence, is that YouView have no intention of providing this information. In well over a year they have provided next to no real information on ANY of the items on the wished-for list. Well - that is my monthly post for this month - sorry it couldn't be a bit more positive...

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  • edited 8 January 2015, 4:54PM
    gwatuk said:

    Well it's good that you guys have found a work-around for John's problem, but there is so much more than this that DLNA could bring to YouView. So John's question remains:
    "Is there any update on this topic!!!"

    This is the second most requested feature in the forum (http://community.youview.com/youview/...).
    Yet it has no indication as to whether it is "Under consideration", "Planned", "Not planned" etc
    Which brings me right back to: http://community.youview.com/youview/...
    Smiley

    It's very sad that you two have resigned yourselves to this situation.
    But who knows maybe YouView can be persuaded to change this...
    Smiley
  • JamesBJamesB Member Posts: 841
    edited 31 March 2014, 11:11AM
    JamesB said:

    "... can more than cope with the demands of YV box and TV simultaneously, just with the addition of a basic switch, as above."

    I deleted part of my post due to uncertainty about this. So one could for instance stream a silent film from the YouView iPlayer, while simultaneously streaming a soundtrack of one's choice from NAS to the TV's DLNA client? In theory at least? (not sure my tv would let me do this)

    After a little more experimenting, it turns out the PIP facility is automatically switched off on any non-TV source when the source is changed. So nothing to do with simultaneous streams. I suppose the TV has to do that, in order to have the facility available for the next source being switched to. Obvious, really, when you think about it.
  • The MeekThe Meek Member Posts: 251
    edited 14 November 2013, 1:31PM
    gwatuk said:

    Well it's good that you guys have found a work-around for John's problem, but there is so much more than this that DLNA could bring to YouView. So John's question remains:
    "Is there any update on this topic!!!"

    This is the second most requested feature in the forum (http://community.youview.com/youview/...).
    Yet it has no indication as to whether it is "Under consideration", "Planned", "Not planned" etc
    Which brings me right back to: http://community.youview.com/youview/...
    Smiley

    I'm afraid that I agree with churchwarden.

    Post 2012 Olympics the YV box serves little more than a Sky+ box competitor for BT etc.

    and the Sky+ box does not have DLNA so there is no business case to include that, indeed it could breach copy protection.

    YV box is now "mature" so I don't expect further development.

    I'm pressing on with switch to Smart NAS for the house network fed by 330/30 FTTP.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,411 ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:38AM
    gwatuk said:

    Well it's good that you guys have found a work-around for John's problem, but there is so much more than this that DLNA could bring to YouView. So John's question remains:
    "Is there any update on this topic!!!"

    This is the second most requested feature in the forum (http://community.youview.com/youview/...).
    Yet it has no indication as to whether it is "Under consideration", "Planned", "Not planned" etc
    Which brings me right back to: http://community.youview.com/youview/...
    Smiley

    OK. Enjoy your inheritance.
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • edited 8 January 2015, 4:54PM
    After extensive discussion in the USB thread we managed to get an official post from Phil who said "...currently there are no immediate plans for using the connection".
    This DLNA idea actually has considerably more +1s than the USB idea.
    Is it possible to get an official update for this?
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  • John17John17 Member Posts: 3
    edited 25 November 2013, 9:11AM
    I have fitted the network switch as suggested and it works great.
    I can now even push media to my TV using an Amdroid App on the mobile phone.
    This is great, it turns a dumb smart Samsung TV into a usable media player from my NAS drive where Twonky on the NAS drive does all the media indexing work.
    I may now even route the TV channels directly back to the TV and use the TV controller more rather than the non DLNA YouView box controller when watching terrestrial TV.
    Thanks for your suggestion. I can recommend it.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,411 ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 10:48PM
    @John

    Tremendously pleased that the switch suggestion from JamesB and myself has worked so well for you, and that you can now get so much more out of your TV setup than you could before you made this enhancement, and for so very few £s.

    But it's very sad that we had to suggest bypassing your YouView box to do these things as the only possible solution at present, when YouView had such high hopes of being the central hub of your viewing experience.

    And your 'centre of gravity', as you are finding, is now being so shifted that you are even thinking of watching broadcast TV on your TV again, relegating the YouView box even further from the centre.

    I's all very well for YouView to stonewall our requests for the functionality that would make their dream a reality, but - as in this instance - taking the available path actually means the YouView box will be used less than before.

    YouView really must look to their laurels here :-(
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • John WebbJohn Webb Member Posts: 83
    edited 25 November 2013, 11:57AM
    This has been such a long standing topic that one assumes there is no intention of implementing either DLNA server or client. The lack of any official contribution to this debate also presumably reflects the lack of interest?

    I would actually like both as we happen to have two Youview boxes, a FetchTV box and a NAS. One Youview box was because I was a trialist and the other because we switched to TalkTalk We would like stuff recorded on one box viewable on one of the others, as one was lead to believe from the original spec. Did the spec say both server and client? Given the fact that Youview is very much in the minority then retail sales should be zero!
  • JamesBJamesB Member Posts: 841
    edited 31 March 2014, 11:11AM
    Hi John - glad the switch solved your problem.

    Like you, I use the connected TV a lot. If I had to choose between connecting the TV and connecting the YouView box I would always opt for connecting the TV.

    The message I draw from this is not "YouView should add DLNA" (though of course that would be welcome) but "YouView should add wireless". I use the Samsung dongle with the TV and it works brilliantly. I think YouView are making a big mistake in ruling wireless out, as per the Tech Radar thread. As far as I'm concerned, wireless is often less troublesome than powerline.

    If YouView had wireless and its very own dongle, it would be more able to compete with the rise and rise of connected TVs.

    http://advanced-television.com/2013/1...
  • The MeekThe Meek Member Posts: 251
    edited 25 November 2013, 4:09PM
    This is a good solution for any Ethernet device that does not have wireless capability, and has a spare USB port to power it.
    http://is.gd/R21i6u
  • jimMjimM Member Posts: 22
    edited 25 November 2013, 4:48PM
    Hi John,
    Piers made was an interesting throw away comment 7 months ago that indicated that multiple YouView boxes my be on the cards:
    https://community.youview.com/youview...

    On the topic of connections, I have a Ethernet Switch plugged into one powerline plug and that gives me 4 Ethernet outputs.
    It works fine for me and I can get a web connection to my smart TV, YouView Box and blu-ray player using the one connection for a £10.
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-SF...
    Just thought that some people with multiple devices may find that a simple cheap solution to getting them all connected.
  • John WebbJohn Webb Member Posts: 83
    edited 25 November 2013, 4:48PM
    jimM said:

    Hi John,
    Piers made was an interesting throw away comment 7 months ago that indicated that multiple YouView boxes my be on the cards:
    https://community.youview.com/youview...

    On the topic of connections, I have a Ethernet Switch plugged into one powerline plug and that gives me 4 Ethernet outputs.
    It works fine for me and I can get a web connection to my smart TV, YouView Box and blu-ray player using the one connection for a £10.
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-SF...
    Just thought that some people with multiple devices may find that a simple cheap solution to getting them all connected.

    Thanks for that link, I suppose 7 months is quite short!
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,273 ✭✭✭
    edited 26 February 2017, 2:39PM
    Hi jimM,

    Nice link. And Multiroom has always been on the cards. Though I don't know if the boxes will be able to "talk" to one another. But both would certainly be killer features.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • edited 8 January 2015, 4:54PM
    jimM - that's a great find. Worth quoting here...

    Piers (Official Rep) May 13th 2013
    We're constantly reviewing features like this but it comes down to finding time. It is on the product backlog and we know what some people really want or need it, but it is hard to get it right when you're trying to stream different content types to/from many different devices, and make sure that it "just works". It can be done, but not a simple thing to implement into the YouView stack.

    Once we support in-home pairing for the mobile app, and multiple YouView boxes in the home, this will become a bit easier.
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,388 ✭✭✭
    edited 28 February 2017, 3:05PM
    So, for the enthusiast user there are plenty of ways and means to achieve what you wish with cheap and cheerful add-ons.

    For the user at whom the YouView experience is targeted, Keep It Simple, Stupid.
  • mark hawksworthmark hawksworth Member Posts: 1
    edited 18 June 2014, 5:13PM
    From my perspective an essential update. The competition are offering DNLA why can't YV the technology is already there
  • Roger3Roger3 Member Posts: 4
    edited 27 November 2016, 7:35PM
    Currently lack of DLNA is a dealbreaker, current TV is not Smart so if I want to stream from my main computer I have to plug an old laptop into the TV then stream over wifi from the main computer.  Shame really as most other PVRs can easily do this.
  • DM1DM1 Member Posts: 8
    edited 4 March 2017, 10:29AM
    It would be nice to have DLNA on youview box, but i don't think it will never happen.
  • edited 8 January 2015, 4:55PM
    DM1 said:

    It would be nice to have DLNA on youview box, but i don't think it will never happen.

    Nice to hear from you DM!
    Your profile's looking a little slim.
  • KeithKeith Member, Super User Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭
    edited 21 December 2016, 11:30PM
    DM1 said:

    It would be nice to have DLNA on youview box, but i don't think it will never happen.

    The 'old/original' DM profile (from the perspective of this forum) still exists so this is potentially 2 DMs (that old lack of name uniqueness issue):

    https://getsatisfaction.com/people/dm_4741568
    https://getsatisfaction.com/people/dennis_matthews

    although both accounts appear to have been created around the same time (August/September 2012) and both have chosen to use a very similar avatar (but then it is a good natural choice).
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,411 ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:39AM

    Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.

    If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).

    Hmm - you would buy two YouView boxes if they added this, from which YouView would earn....?

    As we have found to our cost, even if everyone of us retail owners would buy an extra box if YouView did xyz, we do not amount to a hill of beans compared with the whim of iron expressed by the two ISPs who now really run YouView :-(
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,273 ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:05AM

    Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.

    If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).

    Says who? Seriously.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,411 ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:39AM

    Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.

    If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).

    You doubt?
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
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