Any point to Eco-mode High???

We tried the High mode once or twice but the startup time was laughable. That along with the requirement of the YouView app needing the box in Low mode means that we always have the setting on Low,
So my question is - what's the point in developing and maintaining both settings? All my previous PVRs were in standby mode and it seems that havong two distinct power up modes doesn't really bring any real benefit.
Can we just drop the High mode totally?
So my question is - what's the point in developing and maintaining both settings? All my previous PVRs were in standby mode and it seems that havong two distinct power up modes doesn't really bring any real benefit.
Can we just drop the High mode totally?
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Stuart
Agree the long start up time in high Eco mode takes to long, but rather that than the continuing whirring noise of the hard drive or fan or whatever it is. Keep the high Eco but just reduce the start up time to something more sensible. Wonder if it is the youview side that takes the time or the pvr side, as my Humax 9200 and 9300 do not take that long.
Have you considered this. A BT Humax DTR-T1000 takes 19w in low standby mode, thats 166kw per year and at a current cost of 17.1ppp = £29.60!!!! Yip that's if you don't even turn it on. I've two of them in the house, nearly £60 before turning them on. Thats like burning two/four energy saving lamps in your living room 24/7, you wouldn't do that?
They use 0.4w in high standby mode (with RF loop through turned off), at that cost I can plan when I'm watching TV or wait the two mins
What would be the benefit of putting resources into changing the way the box works even if this was possible (which it isn't due to EU legislation)?
What would be the benefit of putting resources into changing the way the box works even if this was possible (which it isn't due to EU legislation)?
And Nick there are many more important issues to focus on some of which you yourself have pursued (http://tinyurl.com/pwqpnpx).
What would be the benefit of putting resources into changing the way the box works even if this was possible (which it isn't due to EU legislation)?
Totally agree with you bud, just wanted to ask the question. The point made about the 19w in Low mode is an eye opener and I wonder what all our other gadgets and toys cost to run!
It feels to me that they couldn't get the High mode startup sequence any faster and so added another mode with all software loaded into memory ready for use.
If other PVRs can achieve a low power consumption and nearly instant on then why can't Youview?
What would be the benefit of putting resources into changing the way the box works even if this was possible (which it isn't due to EU legislation)?
I think the last time the forum discussed the power consumption issue the overwhelming number of opinions expressed were that worrying about the ecological "big picture" was not important, so let's just go with Low Eco and forget about it.
But if you do the sums (considering how many YouView users there now are) the impact of this is not trivial.
Another theoretical question you might ask is "Why bother with Low eco?" when the power saving is so small.
I'm irritated by the whole "Tip: Adjust Eco mode..." thing - it encourages people to just go for this without explaining the implications. (This is of course inevitable - YouView wouldn't want to draw attention to this.)
I'm sure that the start up time from a proper stand by state could have been designed to be more acceptable, but presumably there was a cost implication for the hardware (faster processor/more memory?)
Even at 12ppu its £21 a year to keep the STB in standby. I've been using the High Eco setting the last few weeks (Using two antennas so no RF loop through turned on) and its really not that much hassle.
YouView did speed up the startup times a fraction early on but they also introduced the long double boot problem around then too and probably having cleared that feel they are better working on other areas given the difficulties they find speeding up the start up times (from a low energy state) produces. Ideally I would link to an exact post (if only that were still possible) in the original eco modes and startup times topic where I summarised the main power consumption states of the Humax T1000 box and some typical broad cost estimates - the best I can do now is say it is in the 5th page of posts on that topic. I made a subsequent comment in a post on the 6th page, commenting about the different total cost of all YouView boxes running in high or low eco mode, where the total difference in cost of about 1 million boxes would be now on the order of £15m per year.