Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
You accuse? The two platforms are going to get turned on their head, for sure, but that won't affect retails development.
What will be will be. No more promises or jam tomorrow from me. Respect.
I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
That's a bizarre little exchange between you two. But you're not sensibly answering the question. The reason why DLNA is not likely to happen is surely to do with concerns about programme rights and the implications of enabling content to be duplicated.
It looks likely that YouView are going to address some of the benefits that DLNA would offer by developing cloud storage. But the concept of turning the box into a general media centre is probably very unlikely to happen.
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
I didn't for one moment suggest that the DolManSaxLil two ISPs would affect retail development in the slightest. When there are two elephants in the room, why would they care about the fly in the corner?
But Visionman makes my point exactly when he says 'The two platforms are going to get turned on their head, for sure, but that won't affect retail's development.'
So, big changes for DolManSaxLil, but nothing for us retail users, except maybe the crumbs that fall from their table :-(
Never mind net neutrality, how about a bit of YouView neutrality?
If Freeview Connect ever comes off, I am out of here, big time, back to what Project Canvas was supposed to be.
The plans for this, though, kind of give the lie to the 'commercial' argument that the DolManSaxLil apologists give to why YouView had to cosy up to them.
FreeView Connect, with the right set of partners seems entirely ready to pony up what it will cost, to get the result that they maybe thought YouView was going to provide, until it took the ISPs' thirty pieces of silver.
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
I agree this appears to be whats happened. But new retail features and content are coming as you know. CRB, for one and further new players as well. YV said two or three this summer. Subject to a smooth roll out of course.
Roy> Never mind net neutrality, how about a bit of YouView neutrality?
Sadly successful business doesn't work like that. It should do I agree, yet to become established and disruptive, YV needs the numbers. And the content of course. Though I agree its been slow progress on that front.
Edit - I don't know what DolManSaxLil means.
I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
Freeview Connect - A service thats estimated to be five years away. The introduction of standards that will force TV manufacturers to conform to connected Freeview, as opposed to they conforming to them. Its a good idea actually. Arqiva is already fighting it. Now that sounds familiar...
I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
I bought the commercial argument originally. More fool me. Looks like Freeview Connect intend to blow it out of the water. Unless and until they fail, therefore, the 'commercial necessity' argument is on hold here.
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
Re your Edit: it's from HHGTTG.
... Lintilla takes Arthur to the shaft suddenly created after the mysterious loud noise, and they finally confirm what the three Lintillas had been looking for: "An entire archaeological layer of compressed shoes." After making this confirmation, they are captured by Hig Hurtenflurst, a Dolmansaxlil Shoe Corporation executive.
The narrator finally describes what made the noise and created the shaft that gave the Lintillas their breakthrough. It's none other than Marvin, who himself finally fell out of the cup that the Heart of Gold is parked in. He's lying at the bottom of a mile deep shaft, and goes "zootlewurdle." Meanwhile, Hig has decided to take Lintilla and Arthur back to his office.
Hig explains the background of what happened to Brontitall - they fell victim to a Dolmansaxlil Shoe Shop Intensifier Ray, forcing them to construct nothing but shoe shops, and selling nothing but badly made shoes. Arthur learns that Earth was to be one of the next targets, spared from this by being demolished by the Vogons. The film being shown to Arthur and Lintilla explaining the Shoe Shop Intensifier Ray is suddenly interrupted, as is power to the office, when Marvin decides to rescue Arthur and Lintilla, and her two clones.
The narrator then explains that the Shoe Shop Intensifier Ray was unnecessary, that a "Shoe Event Horizon" would have occurred on that planet, and many other worlds, as part of their natural economic histories. A lesson from the future is heard, explaining this principle.
Parallels with those who hijack things may be drawn. As may comparisons with Ozymandias, who like the once ubiquitous Dolmansaxlil (Dolcis, Manfield, Saxone, Lilley & Skinner) did not last as long as they might have thought.
For any further references you find obscure, GIYF. :-)
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
I apologise for not using GIYF. I thought it was one of your unique obscure humorous references. Then theres some (unlike me) with a brain the size of a planet. But are they happy?
I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
Well I did google it (before Roy posted his explanation) and I didn't find anything that made sense. I thought about rising to the bait but decided on this occasion that "life is too short" and that I'd let someone else yield to yet another of Roy's little challenges.
I now find that I can't get another little thought out of my head. In the context of this statement...
For any further references you find obscure, GIYF.
GIYF might have been assumed to mean Google It You ******.
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
c c said: Ozymandias didn't have Infinity
Indeed not. As it says in the poem, he was trunkless :-)
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
gwatuk
I wonder who could have put that scurrilous thought into your head? :-)
But I assure you, and Visionman, that only the usual interpretation was intended here.
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
Oh and damn, I have fallen into the newbie trap of replying to a two-year-old post as if it was recent :-(
This is what comes of old threads staying alive, thinking you are on the last page when you are actually on the first page, and not reading the timestamp :-(
I'd add 'and needing your eyes checked' but I had that done just two days ago, so I don't even have that excuse :-( (Still got two, one on each side, thanks for asking).
But I suppose the main lesson here is that who even dreamt, two years ago, that things would turn out like this, and today's answer to 2012's question would be so different from what you might have thought back then?
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
Interesting that on the basis of this thread pretty much everyone has totally given up on the idea of DLNA.
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
Given up on the idea of anything, really. Or at least, of asking YouView for anything.
Two years ago, we thought we could do that, and they might listen. And indeed, they seemed receptive, and it seemed just a matter of them saying 'Yes, we will put that on our to-do list' or 'No, that's not the sort of thing we intend for YouView'.
And of the things on the to-do list, just then a matter of prioritising. But while a few things do dribble out from time to time still, there's nothing new really, just bug fixes, while the items bubbling up the to-do list are continually being pushed back down it by ISP requirements overlaid at the top of the list.
Now, you can still find people ready to listen, and often respond in a lightning-quick way, to requests we make. But that's GS, improving the forum software. Who would have thought it?
I'm finding, somewhat to my own great surprise, that the promise of Freeview Connect is rather souring me on YouView, since Freeview seem to be planning to do what I thought YouView was going to do when I bought my box; and Freeview have budgeted to do it that way as well.
But as we used to tell clients dazzled by vapourware 'Software not yet written can do anything you can think of, tomorrow, while ours can only do what it does. But it can do it today, while the other stuff can do nothing today'.
So we must wait and see. And in the meantime, my YouView box will go on doing what it does, while all around it a flotilla of tiny boxes, from Roku, Sky, Apple, Google and no-name Chinese bring the features it lacks and Samsung TVs all over the house beg my laptops to stream them content over DLNA or something like it, and I am complaisant to these requests.
So it all gets done, but not exactly in a seamlessly integrated way, more as a tottering edifice which means that the one piece of kit I can't afford to be without (two of) is this :- http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0...
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
Grudgingly (because I am very reticent about boosting your "Like" count) that gets a like. A great post Roy - you've expressed some of what I feel very well.
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
(And to save everyone from googling...)
complaisant:
Willing to please others or to accept what they do or say without protest
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
Visionman said:
Freeview Connect - A service thats estimated to be five years away. The introduction of standards that will force TV manufacturers to conform to connected Freeview, as opposed to they conforming to them. Its a good idea actually. Arqiva is already fighting it. Now that sounds familiar...
Freeview Connect is just the standard, which is scheduled for publication later this year. And manufacturers will probably already be engaged in discussions with the Freeview Connect people. Alternatively, DTT Freetime TVs can be bought now.
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
...Samsung TVs all over the house beg my laptops to stream them content over DLNA or something like it, and I am complaisant to these requests.
I'm glad I bought my Samsung before that came in. :-)
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
At the risk of restarting/perpetuating this amusingly somewhat accidentally misplaced subthread of discussion, to pick up on gwatuk's point above
Interesting that on the basis of this thread pretty much everyone has totally given up on the idea of DLNA.
in terms of topic likes, out of the ones I created and hence get emails about when someone new likes it, this is by far the most popular idea topic claiming just under 50% of such likes over the last month. Whether we will ever get this feature or something functionally equivalent/similar we will most likely only ever know should it ever arrive. Customers as ever can vote with their feet/wallet and move to other products and I'm sure they will if one exists or appears that better matches their needs and expectations better than whatever feature set YouView is providing at that time.
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
Roy said:
But I suppose the main lesson here is that who even dreamt, two years ago, that things would turn out like this, and today's answer to 2012's question would be so different from what you might have thought back then?
Currently lack of DLNA is a dealbreaker, current TV is not Smart so if I want to stream from my main computer I have to plug an old laptop into the TV then stream over wifi from the main computer. Shame really as most other PVRs can easily do this.
Have you considered a blu-ray player? Most of the current models have smart apps and DLNA, and can now be picked up for less than £100.
I don't think DLNA will ever appear on YouView for the same reason it's not available on Sky and Virgin boxes. It's a niche feature and more importantly it's simply not in the interest of BT/TalkTalk to help you play your own content over DLNA when they're in the business of selling that very same content via their apps and channels.
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
That seemed to go to an HDMI/SCART issue posting, about a bug that was fixed in the Feb 2014 release.
Probably by Humax, as I don't think Huaweis suffered from this, did they?
Or was your point that things do get addressed eventually?
Or that if bugs take that long, what price new features?
Am I getting dimmer, or is it getting more enigmatic in here? :-)
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
It's a link to this post from two years ago:
gomez 2070 Posts 274 Likes We already have the situation where Lovefilm is only available to TalkTalk subscribers on their supplied YV box even though some of us already have valid Lovefilm subscriptions we would like to use. Balkanisation is inevitable. Resistance is futile.
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
c c said
"I'm glad I bought my Samsung before that came in. :-)"
Are you sure? Assuming it's a Smart TV, go Menu/Network/Allshare Settings/Media On and see what your PC(s) do.....
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
Seems to me that this one is one that is either actually very difficult or they aren't actually listening to this input.
If it helps to provide a business justification - I have so far purchased 4 older Humax boxes and 1 Youview and would buy another 2 Youviews if they supports DLNA client AND server (the other two would be for a playroom and a bedroom).
It was just a joke...
A house full of TVs begging for attention? Unplug the beggars.
I heartily agree. As can be seen this is a long standing want and was in the original spec. There were lots of arguments about the difficulties but many others have solved them.
Comments
What will be will be. No more promises or jam tomorrow from me. Respect.
The reason why DLNA is not likely to happen is surely to do with concerns about programme rights and the implications of enabling content to be duplicated.
It looks likely that YouView are going to address some of the benefits that DLNA would offer by developing cloud storage. But the concept of turning the box into a general media centre is probably very unlikely to happen.
But Visionman makes my point exactly when he says 'The two platforms are going to get turned on their head, for sure, but that won't affect retail's development.'
So, big changes for DolManSaxLil, but nothing for us retail users, except maybe the crumbs that fall from their table :-(
Never mind net neutrality, how about a bit of YouView neutrality?
If Freeview Connect ever comes off, I am out of here, big time, back to what Project Canvas was supposed to be.
The plans for this, though, kind of give the lie to the 'commercial' argument that the DolManSaxLil apologists give to why YouView had to cosy up to them.
FreeView Connect, with the right set of partners seems entirely ready to pony up what it will cost, to get the result that they maybe thought YouView was going to provide, until it took the ISPs' thirty pieces of silver.
Edit - I don't know what DolManSaxLil means.
... Lintilla takes Arthur to the shaft suddenly created after the mysterious loud noise, and they finally confirm what the three Lintillas had been looking for: "An entire archaeological layer of compressed shoes." After making this confirmation, they are captured by Hig Hurtenflurst, a Dolmansaxlil Shoe Corporation executive.
The narrator finally describes what made the noise and created the shaft that gave the Lintillas their breakthrough. It's none other than Marvin, who himself finally fell out of the cup that the Heart of Gold is parked in. He's lying at the bottom of a mile deep shaft, and goes "zootlewurdle." Meanwhile, Hig has decided to take Lintilla and Arthur back to his office.
Hig explains the background of what happened to Brontitall - they fell victim to a Dolmansaxlil Shoe Shop Intensifier Ray, forcing them to construct nothing but shoe shops, and selling nothing but badly made shoes. Arthur learns that Earth was to be one of the next targets, spared from this by being demolished by the Vogons. The film being shown to Arthur and Lintilla explaining the Shoe Shop Intensifier Ray is suddenly interrupted, as is power to the office, when Marvin decides to rescue Arthur and Lintilla, and her two clones.
The narrator then explains that the Shoe Shop Intensifier Ray was unnecessary, that a "Shoe Event Horizon" would have occurred on that planet, and many other worlds, as part of their natural economic histories. A lesson from the future is heard, explaining this principle.
Parallels with those who hijack things may be drawn. As may comparisons with Ozymandias, who like the once ubiquitous Dolmansaxlil (Dolcis, Manfield, Saxone, Lilley & Skinner) did not last as long as they might have thought.
For any further references you find obscure, GIYF. :-)
I now find that I can't get another little thought out of my head.
In the context of this statement... GIYF might have been assumed to mean Google It You ******.
Ozymandias didn't have Infinity
Indeed not. As it says in the poem, he was trunkless :-)
I wonder who could have put that scurrilous thought into your head? :-)
But I assure you, and Visionman, that only the usual interpretation was intended here.
This is what comes of old threads staying alive, thinking you are on the last page when you are actually on the first page, and not reading the timestamp :-(
I'd add 'and needing your eyes checked' but I had that done just two days ago, so I don't even have that excuse :-(
(Still got two, one on each side, thanks for asking).
But I suppose the main lesson here is that who even dreamt, two years ago, that things would turn out like this, and today's answer to 2012's question would be so different from what you might have thought back then?
Two years ago, we thought we could do that, and they might listen. And indeed, they seemed receptive, and it seemed just a matter of them saying 'Yes, we will put that on our to-do list' or 'No, that's not the sort of thing we intend for YouView'.
And of the things on the to-do list, just then a matter of prioritising. But while a few things do dribble out from time to time still, there's nothing new really, just bug fixes, while the items bubbling up the to-do list are continually being pushed back down it by ISP requirements overlaid at the top of the list.
Now, you can still find people ready to listen, and often respond in a lightning-quick way, to requests we make. But that's GS, improving the forum software. Who would have thought it?
I'm finding, somewhat to my own great surprise, that the promise of Freeview Connect is rather souring me on YouView, since Freeview seem to be planning to do what I thought YouView was going to do when I bought my box; and Freeview have budgeted to do it that way as well.
But as we used to tell clients dazzled by vapourware 'Software not yet written can do anything you can think of, tomorrow, while ours can only do what it does. But it can do it today, while the other stuff can do nothing today'.
So we must wait and see. And in the meantime, my YouView box will go on doing what it does, while all around it a flotilla of tiny boxes, from Roku, Sky, Apple, Google and no-name Chinese bring the features it lacks and Samsung TVs all over the house beg my laptops to stream them content over DLNA or something like it, and I am complaisant to these requests.
So it all gets done, but not exactly in a seamlessly integrated way, more as a tottering edifice which means that the one piece of kit I can't afford to be without (two of) is this :-
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0...
A great post Roy - you've expressed some of what I feel very well.
complaisant:
I don't think DLNA will ever appear on YouView for the same reason it's not available on Sky and Virgin boxes. It's a niche feature and more importantly it's simply not in the interest of BT/TalkTalk to help you play your own content over DLNA when they're in the business of selling that very same content via their apps and channels.
Probably by Humax, as I don't think Huaweis suffered from this, did they?
Or was your point that things do get addressed eventually?
Or that if bugs take that long, what price new features?
Am I getting dimmer, or is it getting more enigmatic in here? :-)
"I'm glad I bought my Samsung before that came in. :-)"
Are you sure? Assuming it's a Smart TV, go Menu/Network/Allshare Settings/Media On
and see what your PC(s) do.....
A house full of TVs begging for attention? Unplug the beggars.