just got our YV box ...set up neat...picture great for 10 minutes then nothing...nada...wont fire up, wont switch on or off from front panel, no loop through.....not impressed
just got our YV box ...set up neat...picture great for 10 minutes then nothing...nada...wont fire up, wont switch on or off from front panel, no loop through.....not impressed
I recently got a TT Huawei box, not impressed with it at all, mine is set to eco low. Left of standby all night, I switch it on the following evening, 10 minutes later I am still stuck waiting on the 'Nearly Ready' screen, I eventually give up and switch it off and on using the button on the back and it boots up in a couple of minutes..
I recently got a TT Huawei box, not impressed with it at all, mine is set to eco low. Left of standby all night, I switch it on the following evening, 10 minutes later I am still stuck waiting on the 'Nearly Ready' screen, I eventually give up and switch it off and on using the button on the back and it boots up in a couple of minutes..
If that happens repeatedly you have a faulty box which TalkTalk wil be happy to replace.
Thanks gwatuk, I have tried report they have said they are sending out a Brightspark, well that's great the kids watch the TV in the morning, so by the time he get here I will of cleared the fault. lol
I recently got a TT Huawei box, not impressed with it at all, mine is set to eco low. Left of standby all night, I switch it on the following evening, 10 minutes later I am still stuck waiting on the 'Nearly Ready' screen, I eventually give up and switch it off and on using the button on the back and it boots up in a couple of minutes..
Thanks gwatuk, I have tried report they have said they are sending out a Brightspark, well that's great the kids watch the TV in the morning, so by the time he get here I will of cleared the fault. lol
Just switched mine to High Eco mode, as I noticed the hard drive was constantly whirring in LOW. It's the wear and tear and the heat that bothers me more than the cost - I'm worried it will reduce life span of the box.
Sorry to be again bumping an old thread, but I am astonished after two years of owning this unit that they still haven't bothered to spin down the hard drive regardless of ECO settings; it's one thing to maintain low power to solid state/volatile memory to avoid rebooting completely but (as I often harp on) my old Humax 9200 this replaced would spin down on standby and spool up when it was time to record or when viewing in just a few seconds. It's a function of the hard drive itself so there isn't even much for the developers to do!
I just saw the official response from 3years ago re the eco startup times. Surely three years is long enough to have made SOME time improvement! It still takes over two minutes from high Eco mode & for those of us that care about the planet & the cost of electricity this is the only option. Please make some improvements.
Hi Mike - indeed the only real software change speed up in startup times came in on the 30/10/2012 update (as noted under item 39 in the consolidated list of improvements and feature requests). Since then the biggest speed ups have come from the newer hardware, e.g. the Humax T2xxx are significantly faster (and also consume less power than the T1xxx boxes). There is then of course the impact of the mobile app, when YouView launched that did not exist. For the app to work the box is required to be in the low eco mode and so I suspect that has naturally moved more people over to the low eco mode. There is then the start up tip that suggests changing eco mode for faster startups which probably influences another bunch of users. As such those running in high eco mode is probably a much smaller proportion of the user base than it was at launch.
Nevertheless, in an ideal world, I would still like to see YouView make further changes in this area (although given we are now 2-3 years on and there are still quite a lot of good small feature requests going unaddressed I would prefer to see some effort on those first).
My Humax T1xxx box, fully up to date, still does not spin down the drive except in the high eco mode, which would be the single biggest energy saving and there is no reason it could not spin down even during normal operation, after a period of not writing to the disk (ie recording). It's just bad design. Instinct tells me the separation of YouView hardware/firmware and software platforms means it just cannot be done. A good idea, ruined by committee. I hope the next gen devices are a better experience for people.
My Humax T1xxx box, fully up to date, still does not spin down the drive except in the high eco mode, which would be the single biggest energy saving and there is no reason it could not spin down even during normal operation, after a period of not writing to the disk (ie recording). It's just bad design. Instinct tells me the separation of YouView hardware/firmware and software platforms means it just cannot be done. A good idea, ruined by committee. I hope the next gen devices are a better experience for people.
Hi Mark
You do realise that in normal operation, it is always recording, for pause/rewind live TV duties?
So it can't spin down then.
The only time it could spin down at all is when the disc spins down in High Eco mode; but since it is supposed to be alert to things that High Eco mode is allowed to sleep through, this would require that all the triggers for all these things be in the silicon at such times. And I wonder if there is room?
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My Humax T1xxx box, fully up to date, still does not spin down the drive except in the high eco mode, which would be the single biggest energy saving and there is no reason it could not spin down even during normal operation, after a period of not writing to the disk (ie recording). It's just bad design. Instinct tells me the separation of YouView hardware/firmware and software platforms means it just cannot be done. A good idea, ruined by committee. I hope the next gen devices are a better experience for people.
Of course you're right, about the live TV bit, feeling a bit silly for overlooking it mid-rant (as it's something I almost never use).
But if the unit is not being watched and not recording, I see no need for the disk to spin. My previous Humax box was quite capable of holding the recording schedule in memory and spinning the drive only to record. They could have used Wake-on-LAN to enable standby to respond to recording instructions via the app. So I maintain the 'regular' standby mode could be much better, and by now given the number of complains about the issue, I can only assume an insurmountable design flaw preventing such improvements.
It wouldn't even take much RAM to handle instant replay for a short time, with an option to use the HDD to make it longer.
My Humax T1xxx box, fully up to date, still does not spin down the drive except in the high eco mode, which would be the single biggest energy saving and there is no reason it could not spin down even during normal operation, after a period of not writing to the disk (ie recording). It's just bad design. Instinct tells me the separation of YouView hardware/firmware and software platforms means it just cannot be done. A good idea, ruined by committee. I hope the next gen devices are a better experience for people.
The Wake-on-LAN issue (and I'm not trying to be your nemesis, really!) is that nothing is ever sent to interrupt the YouView box, over the LAN; by design, for security, it never acts as a server.
It gets recording instructions via a Wake-on-timer approach, whereby it is triggered internally to go and poll the message server to see if there are any recording requests.
While arguably less efficient, it is unarguably safer, as the bad guys can't start a dialogue with your YouView box at all, ever.
You should not though, extrapolate to insurmountable design flaws; there are all sorts of things that I would judge fixable that have not been fixed since day one despite much pressure from here, and I might just extrapolate to insurmountable backlog, or possibly ennui, or doctrinaire differences, or some such.
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As an update to this rather old topic - the software update of 24/11/2015 has replaced the eco mode setting with a standby mode setting. This new setting has 3 states: smart standby, energy saver, always ready. The latter two would appear to be equivalent to the old high and low eco modes. The new smart mode effectively runs as the low eco/always ready mode in the day but overnight (1am to 5am by default) will switch to the lower energy saving mode and hence give a hybrid mode that reduces overall energy usage without particular impact on typical usage patterns.
As an update to this rather old topic - the software update of 24/11/2015 has replaced the eco mode setting with a standby mode setting. This new setting has 3 states: smart standby, energy saver, always ready. The latter two would appear to be equivalent to the old high and low eco modes. The new smart mode effectively runs as the low eco/always ready mode in the day but overnight (1am to 5am by default) will switch to the lower energy saving mode and hence give a hybrid mode that reduces overall energy usage without particular impact on typical usage patterns.
To only limit the range of times to those given is mad; my old box is off between 11pm and 12pm. My sons between 12am and 6pm as he is at work, I am retired but do not watch anything until the lunch time news,
As an update to this rather old topic - the software update of 24/11/2015 has replaced the eco mode setting with a standby mode setting. This new setting has 3 states: smart standby, energy saver, always ready. The latter two would appear to be equivalent to the old high and low eco modes. The new smart mode effectively runs as the low eco/always ready mode in the day but overnight (1am to 5am by default) will switch to the lower energy saving mode and hence give a hybrid mode that reduces overall energy usage without particular impact on typical usage patterns.
I agree, that was my original suggestion for this "hybrid power mode":
"1. User chooses a time for the option "Start Eco Mode High at ... 2. User choosed a time for the option "End Eco Mode High at .."
At least they've partially implemented the suggestion (eventually)!
As an update to this rather old topic - the software update of 24/11/2015 has replaced the eco mode setting with a standby mode setting. This new setting has 3 states: smart standby, energy saver, always ready. The latter two would appear to be equivalent to the old high and low eco modes. The new smart mode effectively runs as the low eco/always ready mode in the day but overnight (1am to 5am by default) will switch to the lower energy saving mode and hence give a hybrid mode that reduces overall energy usage without particular impact on typical usage patterns.
I haven't been on the forums much over the past couple of years - I see the odd email updating some of the longstanding original issues and occaisionally comment.
As I recall this issue came about because of the time it takes for the Youview boxes to start up from the most economical standby mode. Have Youview ever given an explanation as to why their system takes so long to start up?
I have seen one of the newer 'non-recording' BT Youview boxes and was surprised that it seemed to take just as long to start up as the original disc based PVR type boxes.
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just got our YV box ...set up neat...picture great for 10 minutes then nothing...nada...wont fire up, wont switch on or off from front panel, no loop through.....not impressed
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I recently got a TT Huawei box, not impressed with it at all, mine is set to eco low. Left of standby all night, I switch it on the following evening, 10 minutes later I am still stuck waiting on the 'Nearly Ready' screen, I eventually give up and switch it off and on using the button on the back and it boots up in a couple of minutes..
It's the wear and tear and the heat that bothers me more than the cost - I'm worried it will reduce life span of the box.
Nevertheless, in an ideal world, I would still like to see YouView make further changes in this area (although given we are now 2-3 years on and there are still quite a lot of good small feature requests going unaddressed I would prefer to see some effort on those first).
You do realise that in normal operation, it is always recording, for pause/rewind live TV duties?
So it can't spin down then.
The only time it could spin down at all is when the disc spins down in High Eco mode; but since it is supposed to be alert to things that High Eco mode is allowed to sleep through, this would require that all the triggers for all these things be in the silicon at such times. And I wonder if there is room?
But if the unit is not being watched and not recording, I see no need for the disk to spin. My previous Humax box was quite capable of holding the recording schedule in memory and spinning the drive only to record. They could have used Wake-on-LAN to enable standby to respond to recording instructions via the app. So I maintain the 'regular' standby mode could be much better, and by now given the number of complains about the issue, I can only assume an insurmountable design flaw preventing such improvements.
It wouldn't even take much RAM to handle instant replay for a short time, with an option to use the HDD to make it longer.
It gets recording instructions via a Wake-on-timer approach, whereby it is triggered internally to go and poll the message server to see if there are any recording requests.
While arguably less efficient, it is unarguably safer, as the bad guys can't start a dialogue with your YouView box at all, ever.
You should not though, extrapolate to insurmountable design flaws; there are all sorts of things that I would judge fixable that have not been fixed since day one despite much pressure from here, and I might just extrapolate to insurmountable backlog, or possibly ennui, or doctrinaire differences, or some such.
To only limit the range of times to those given is mad; my old box is off between 11pm and 12pm. My sons between 12am and 6pm as he is at work, I am retired but do not watch anything until the lunch time news,
"1. User chooses a time for the option "Start Eco Mode High at ...
2. User choosed a time for the option "End Eco Mode High at .."
At least they've partially implemented the suggestion (eventually)!
I haven't been on the forums much over the past couple of years - I see the odd email updating some of the longstanding original issues and occaisionally comment.
As I recall this issue came about because of the time it takes for the Youview boxes to start up from the most economical standby mode. Have Youview ever given an explanation as to why their system takes so long to start up?
I have seen one of the newer 'non-recording' BT Youview boxes and was surprised that it seemed to take just as long to start up as the original disc based PVR type boxes.