YouView delivers first Ultra HD set top box in the UK

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  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:05AM
    Paul19 said:

    I have used a LG UGD TV for the trial and yes the picture quality of the live feeds, at the start of the trial, had issues. Now I can only say the picture quality is stunning. Also the UHD VOD really blows you away. From the help files it's not just Sport in UHD but Films and TV content.

    Currently unavailable. No doubt it will be added in time. I wonder if they'll support the current/new 25Mbps UHD HEVC format that these boxes can output?
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  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:05AM
    Paul19 said:

    I have used a LG UGD TV for the trial and yes the picture quality of the live feeds, at the start of the trial, had issues. Now I can only say the picture quality is stunning. Also the UHD VOD really blows you away. From the help files it's not just Sport in UHD but Films and TV content.

    Sadly not on the face of it -

    "So as more and more Ultra-HD TVs gets sold at major electronics outlets over the next five years, more and more people will want Ultra-HD,” he said. Each stream is about 15 megabits per second. So it takes a good quality Internet connection."

    http://advanced-television.com/2015/07/17/netflix-eyes-uhd-boost/
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  • Westyfield2Westyfield2 Member Posts: 1
    edited 18 July 2015, 5:02PM
    Joe2 said:

    Well done Youview. I can't imagine this not being available to retail eventually. Wonder what the eBay prices will be for these units? Presumably they will be able to act just like retail units if bought second hand? Will they be quicker then the t2000's I wonder? If so Bt/ Humax may as well go straight to retail to make more profit from these new units instead of leaving it to eBay.

    Have to say that this upgrade ( if it is a performance upgrade not withstanding the 4k ) is certainly one the benefits of collaboration with the ISPs. I'm sure hardware upgrades wouldn't come so quickly otherwise.

    Yep, it's in the video.  I think it defaults to UHD 8bit, but the video mentions setting it to 720p if you get a black screen (Help button > 720 > OK).


    For anyone who's got the box...

    Could you set the HDMI output to 1080p and then view the UHD channel? Intrigued to know if it downscales, or refuses to show it.

    And if it shows the UHD channel with a 1080p output... can you see any difference compared with the regular HD channel? Similarly intrigued to know if downscaling the higher resolution channel results in a better or worse picture than viewing the regular HD channel. [Might be able to hide compression artefacts better etc.]

  • JoeJoe Member, Super User Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 8:32AM
    Ok I'm curious about any performance boost with this new Dtr-4000 bt box. I gather some people have already had them installed.

    If any proud new owner is able to, I'd be really grateful if you could do a couple of quick tests on the start up time of the BBC iplayer app in the actual "players & app" section.

    Using a stop watch on your smart phone( or a real one) launch the iplayer whilst simultaneously starting the stop watch and stopping when the home screen has completed launch. Worth doing twice or even 3 times, as the first time takes a little longer.

    Heres the launch times from the last 2 Humax models:
    Dtr-t1000 26 secs
    Dtr-t2000 11 secs
    Dtr-t4000 ?

    Be interesting to see if there is any performance jump over the speedier t-2000
  • scottscott Member, Super User Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭
    edited 29 November 2016, 11:48AM
    Joe2 said:

    Ok I'm curious about any performance boost with this new Dtr-4000 bt box. I gather some people have already had them installed.

    If any proud new owner is able to, I'd be really grateful if you could do a couple of quick tests on the start up time of the BBC iplayer app in the actual "players & app" section.

    Using a stop watch on your smart phone( or a real one) launch the iplayer whilst simultaneously starting the stop watch and stopping when the home screen has completed launch. Worth doing twice or even 3 times, as the first time takes a little longer.

    Heres the launch times from the last 2 Humax models:
    Dtr-t1000 26 secs
    Dtr-t2000 11 secs
    Dtr-t4000 ?

    Be interesting to see if there is any performance jump over the speedier t-2000

    So hitting iPlayer from the app menu and starting stopwatch, going through YouView loading screen, iPlayer loading screen and stopping when iPlayer home screen is up.
    1st time took just under 11 second's
    2nd and 3rd time took just under 5 second's

    Connected red button takes just under 10 seconds from red button menu till available.
  • JoeJoe Member, Super User Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭
    edited 23 July 2015, 10:41PM
    Joe2 said:

    Ok I'm curious about any performance boost with this new Dtr-4000 bt box. I gather some people have already had them installed.

    If any proud new owner is able to, I'd be really grateful if you could do a couple of quick tests on the start up time of the BBC iplayer app in the actual "players & app" section.

    Using a stop watch on your smart phone( or a real one) launch the iplayer whilst simultaneously starting the stop watch and stopping when the home screen has completed launch. Worth doing twice or even 3 times, as the first time takes a little longer.

    Heres the launch times from the last 2 Humax models:
    Dtr-t1000 26 secs
    Dtr-t2000 11 secs
    Dtr-t4000 ?

    Be interesting to see if there is any performance jump over the speedier t-2000

    Thanks Scott. That's a definite boost in performance then. Might even be a tiny bit quicker then my 2012 Panasonic TV :)

    So to summerise launching the BBC iplayer app on the Humax Youview models:
    DTR-t 1000 - 26secs
    DTR-t 2000 - 11secs
    The new BT DTR-t4000 - 5 secs

    Heading in the right direction :) with the increased harddrive 1tb and better performance I may be tempted to up grade , when it becomes available to retail
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:05AM
    Joe2 said:

    Ok I'm curious about any performance boost with this new Dtr-4000 bt box. I gather some people have already had them installed.

    If any proud new owner is able to, I'd be really grateful if you could do a couple of quick tests on the start up time of the BBC iplayer app in the actual "players & app" section.

    Using a stop watch on your smart phone( or a real one) launch the iplayer whilst simultaneously starting the stop watch and stopping when the home screen has completed launch. Worth doing twice or even 3 times, as the first time takes a little longer.

    Heres the launch times from the last 2 Humax models:
    Dtr-t1000 26 secs
    Dtr-t2000 11 secs
    Dtr-t4000 ?

    Be interesting to see if there is any performance jump over the speedier t-2000

    See here for further info -

    https://www.avforums.com/threads/bt-tv-launches-ultra-hd-sports-channel-1tb-ultra-hd-youview-box.196...
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  • JoeJoe Member, Super User Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2017, 10:48PM
    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
  • Michael GMichael G Member Posts: 876
    edited 21 December 2016, 12:29PM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-BT-YOUVIEW-HUMAX-DTR-T4000-4K-ULTRA-HD-BOX-1TB-/111754581808?hash=item...

    Wonder where these are coming from then. Do we know any proposed timescales for 4K to the aerial? Otherwise presumably a retail box could only access it via t'internet and the likes of Netflix?

    *Edit* and iPlayer etc possibly.
  • JoeJoe Member, Super User Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭
    edited 27 August 2015, 5:00PM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    Nothing I know of other then the mentioned Netflix / Amazon stuff. Hazarding a guess I'd be surprised if we do get 4k over the aerial in the future at all. I imagine the bandwidth would be too much with the number of channels that are already transmitted.
    It will probably only ever be possible over the Internet and dish.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:06AM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    I agree. The internet and then Satellite are the definites. Cable is a possibility but  doubtful. Virgin Media (Liberty Global) seem to be in a bit of a bind with this one.

    They are not a TV provider (like Sky and BT) they are only a platform. Plus they are not awash with cash and deep technological changes would be required to embrace UHD (in other words, money).

    For cable operators to distribute UHD, they must make changes throughout the video distribution chain, including UHD bandwidth capacity, higher video compression, and UHD-capable devices in the home, Heavy Reading says. But by meeting these requirements, cable will be poised to not only offer UHD content, but also revitalize HDTV, premium services, and video-on-demand (VoD).
    http://www.lightreading.com/cable-video/multi-screen-video/is-4k-ultra-hd-in-cables-future/a/d-id/70...

    Meanwhile no word from Darroch (Sky) on the subject. Vapourware? Dunno, but somethings going on...
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  • Michael GMichael G Member Posts: 876
    edited 21 December 2016, 12:29PM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    BBC are on some sort of 4K group, but that may just be in relation to iPlayer or some other future online platform, of course. This is an old article and it talks about them bringing it to online before OTA:

    https://recombu.com/digital/article/bbc-reveals-iplayer-plans-30-day-catch-4k-ultra-hd-streaming_M12...
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭
    edited 22 December 2016, 12:06AM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    Ah the BBC. Strange one this, as for the past twenty years its been both the BBC and Sky being the drivers of new technology and innovation. They have both conducted 4K trials but its only the BBC that are still publicly pursuing it. And your right about the iPlayer Michael, but not just yet -
    http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/134952-bbc-iplayer-to-embrace-ultra-hd-as-part-of-the-beeb-s-long-te...

    Sky meanwhile have said nothing.
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  • Michael GMichael G Member Posts: 876
    edited 21 December 2016, 12:29PM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    This is one we can sit by the sidelines and watch I think (no pun intended). I'm keeping my powder dry till I can show Mrs G the content. 
  • stormystormy Member Posts: 1,026 ✭✭
    edited 1 December 2016, 9:24AM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    Me too Michael, I think even my next TV will be 1080p again.

    To be honest even without UHD streaming video quality has a long way to go in terms of what we get via the PSBs at the moment. Even if looking at iPlayer HD streams they as still a far cry from the OTA HD broadcasts imo. Only the BBC actually has HD content anyway, the other providers ITV, C4 and C5 don't have anything. Surely before everyone focuses on UHD they should get some decent HD quality stuff and improve the quality of that. I guess that doesn't shift UHD TVs though. Hell C5 don't even offer a HD OTA service to most of us mere mortals.

    As an aside I am still to be convinced by UHD especially at the expense of SD picture quality, its bad enough sometimes watching SD content on a 1080p TV. I can only imagine how bad it gets at UHD screen resolutions. :)

    Granted UHD with the right content is amazing, as is 1080p to me. It's just I don't feel there is enough content just yet.
  • Michael GMichael G Member Posts: 876
    edited 21 December 2016, 12:29PM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    Indeed. iPlayer define HD as 720p.
  • JoeJoe Member, Super User Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭
    edited 28 August 2015, 9:30AM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    There must be a big risk in up scalling SD to UHD. With so much information having to be made up to account for all the extra pixels, I expect there is a real danger of completely altering the program - up scalling Emmerdale to Eastenders , or completely altering story lines of favourite soaps :)
  • Michael GMichael G Member Posts: 876
    edited 21 December 2016, 12:29PM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    Changing Holby City into Breaking Bad, etc.

    Although as they film Emmerdale near us, I'd consider a change to Eastenders downscaling ;-)
  • JoeJoe Member, Super User Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭
    edited 28 August 2015, 10:15AM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    Yes that was an example of bad upscalling :)
  • JoeJoe Member, Super User Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭
    edited 28 August 2015, 10:15AM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    As long as my new 4k set can upscale to Pobl Y Cwm I'll be happy :)
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:40AM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    Then the audience for it can have over 160 pixels each :-)
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  • Michael GMichael G Member Posts: 876
    edited 21 December 2016, 12:29PM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    "Pobl Y Cwm"?

    I think I've heard of that channel. I'm frightened to go there though, in case I end up on some sort of register.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:40AM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    Quartz glyph job vex'd cwm finks
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  • Michael GMichael G Member Posts: 876
    edited 21 December 2016, 12:29PM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    If I've seen one perfect pangram....

    Oh, no, wait....
  • JoeJoe Member, Super User Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭
    edited 28 August 2015, 11:28AM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    Only the best 4k sets will do it:)
  • JoeJoe Member, Super User Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭
    edited 28 August 2015, 11:25PM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    Good selling point for manufacturers though - a 4k set that upscales Merlin to Game of thrones :)
  • Michael GMichael G Member Posts: 876
    edited 21 December 2016, 12:29PM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    Oooh, sweet Khaleesi in 4K :-)
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭
    edited 7 December 2016, 8:40AM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    Recipient of one of the most startling chat-up lines in history...

    Down, boy!
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  • stormystormy Member Posts: 1,026 ✭✭
    edited 1 December 2016, 9:24AM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    Did someone mention GoTs? :)
  • David8David8 Member Posts: 655 ✭✭
    edited 15 December 2016, 2:16PM
    Joe2 said:

    These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty.
    For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.

    Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point

    Interesting read for those of you with the UHD box.

    https://recombu.com/digital/article/b...
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