I have used a LG UGD TV for the trial and yes the picture quality of the live feeds, at the start of the trial, had issues. Now I can only say the picture quality is stunning. Also the UHD VOD really blows you away. From the help files it's not just Sport in UHD but Films and TV content.
Currently unavailable. No doubt it will be added in time. I wonder if they'll support the current/new 25Mbps UHD HEVC format that these boxes can output?
I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
I have used a LG UGD TV for the trial and yes the picture quality of the live feeds, at the start of the trial, had issues. Now I can only say the picture quality is stunning. Also the UHD VOD really blows you away. From the help files it's not just Sport in UHD but Films and TV content.
Sadly not on the face of it -
"So as more and more Ultra-HD TVs gets sold at major electronics outlets over the next five years, more and more people will want Ultra-HD,” he said. Each stream is about 15 megabits per second. So it takes a good quality Internet connection."
Well done Youview. I can't imagine this not being available to retail eventually. Wonder what the eBay prices will be for these units? Presumably they will be able to act just like retail units if bought second hand? Will they be quicker then the t2000's I wonder? If so Bt/ Humax may as well go straight to retail to make more profit from these new units instead of leaving it to eBay.
Have to say that this upgrade ( if it is a performance upgrade not withstanding the 4k ) is certainly one the benefits of collaboration with the ISPs. I'm sure hardware upgrades wouldn't come so quickly otherwise.
Yep, it's in the video. I think it defaults to UHD 8bit, but the video mentions setting it to 720p if you get a black screen (Help button > 720 > OK).
For anyone who's got the box...
Could you set the HDMI output to 1080p and then view the UHD channel? Intrigued to know if it downscales, or refuses to show it.
And if it shows the UHD channel with a 1080p output... can you see any difference compared with the regular HD channel? Similarly intrigued to know if downscaling the higher resolution channel results in a better or worse picture than viewing the regular HD channel. [Might be able to hide compression artefacts better etc.]
Ok I'm curious about any performance boost with this new Dtr-4000 bt box. I gather some people have already had them installed.
If any proud new owner is able to, I'd be really grateful if you could do a couple of quick tests on the start up time of the BBC iplayer app in the actual "players & app" section.
Using a stop watch on your smart phone( or a real one) launch the iplayer whilst simultaneously starting the stop watch and stopping when the home screen has completed launch. Worth doing twice or even 3 times, as the first time takes a little longer.
Heres the launch times from the last 2 Humax models: Dtr-t1000 26 secs Dtr-t2000 11 secs Dtr-t4000 ?
Be interesting to see if there is any performance jump over the speedier t-2000
Ok I'm curious about any performance boost with this new Dtr-4000 bt box. I gather some people have already had them installed.
If any proud new owner is able to, I'd be really grateful if you could do a couple of quick tests on the start up time of the BBC iplayer app in the actual "players & app" section.
Using a stop watch on your smart phone( or a real one) launch the iplayer whilst simultaneously starting the stop watch and stopping when the home screen has completed launch. Worth doing twice or even 3 times, as the first time takes a little longer.
Heres the launch times from the last 2 Humax models: Dtr-t1000 26 secs Dtr-t2000 11 secs Dtr-t4000 ?
Be interesting to see if there is any performance jump over the speedier t-2000
So hitting iPlayer from the app menu and starting stopwatch, going through YouView loading screen, iPlayer loading screen and stopping when iPlayer home screen is up. 1st time took just under 11 second's 2nd and 3rd time took just under 5 second's
Connected red button takes just under 10 seconds from red button menu till available.
Ok I'm curious about any performance boost with this new Dtr-4000 bt box. I gather some people have already had them installed.
If any proud new owner is able to, I'd be really grateful if you could do a couple of quick tests on the start up time of the BBC iplayer app in the actual "players & app" section.
Using a stop watch on your smart phone( or a real one) launch the iplayer whilst simultaneously starting the stop watch and stopping when the home screen has completed launch. Worth doing twice or even 3 times, as the first time takes a little longer.
Heres the launch times from the last 2 Humax models: Dtr-t1000 26 secs Dtr-t2000 11 secs Dtr-t4000 ?
Be interesting to see if there is any performance jump over the speedier t-2000
Thanks Scott. That's a definite boost in performance then. Might even be a tiny bit quicker then my 2012 Panasonic TV
So to summerise launching the BBC iplayer app on the Humax Youview models: DTR-t 1000 - 26secs DTR-t 2000 - 11secs The new BT DTR-t4000 - 5 secs
Heading in the right direction with the increased harddrive 1tb and better performance I may be tempted to up grade , when it becomes available to retail
Ok I'm curious about any performance boost with this new Dtr-4000 bt box. I gather some people have already had them installed.
If any proud new owner is able to, I'd be really grateful if you could do a couple of quick tests on the start up time of the BBC iplayer app in the actual "players & app" section.
Using a stop watch on your smart phone( or a real one) launch the iplayer whilst simultaneously starting the stop watch and stopping when the home screen has completed launch. Worth doing twice or even 3 times, as the first time takes a little longer.
Heres the launch times from the last 2 Humax models: Dtr-t1000 26 secs Dtr-t2000 11 secs Dtr-t4000 ?
Be interesting to see if there is any performance jump over the speedier t-2000
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
Wonder where these are coming from then. Do we know any proposed timescales for 4K to the aerial? Otherwise presumably a retail box could only access it via t'internet and the likes of Netflix?
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
Nothing I know of other then the mentioned Netflix / Amazon stuff. Hazarding a guess I'd be surprised if we do get 4k over the aerial in the future at all. I imagine the bandwidth would be too much with the number of channels that are already transmitted. It will probably only ever be possible over the Internet and dish.
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
I agree. The internet and then Satellite are the definites. Cable is a possibility but doubtful. Virgin Media (Liberty Global) seem to be in a bit of a bind with this one.
They are not a TV provider (like Sky and BT) they are only a platform. Plus they are not awash with cash and deep technological changes would be required to embrace UHD (in other words, money).
For cable operators to distribute UHD, they must make changes throughout the video distribution chain, including UHD bandwidth capacity, higher video compression, and UHD-capable devices in the home, Heavy Reading says. But by meeting these requirements, cable will be poised to not only offer UHD content, but also revitalize HDTV, premium services, and video-on-demand (VoD). http://www.lightreading.com/cable-video/multi-screen-video/is-4k-ultra-hd-in-cables-future/a/d-id/70...
Meanwhile no word from Darroch (Sky) on the subject. Vapourware? Dunno, but somethings going on...
I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
BBC are on some sort of 4K group, but that may just be in relation to iPlayer or some other future online platform, of course. This is an old article and it talks about them bringing it to online before OTA:
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
This is one we can sit by the sidelines and watch I think (no pun intended). I'm keeping my powder dry till I can show Mrs G the content.
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
Me too Michael, I think even my next TV will be 1080p again.
To be honest even without UHD streaming video quality has a long way to go in terms of what we get via the PSBs at the moment. Even if looking at iPlayer HD streams they as still a far cry from the OTA HD broadcasts imo. Only the BBC actually has HD content anyway, the other providers ITV, C4 and C5 don't have anything. Surely before everyone focuses on UHD they should get some decent HD quality stuff and improve the quality of that. I guess that doesn't shift UHD TVs though. Hell C5 don't even offer a HD OTA service to most of us mere mortals.
As an aside I am still to be convinced by UHD especially at the expense of SD picture quality, its bad enough sometimes watching SD content on a 1080p TV. I can only imagine how bad it gets at UHD screen resolutions.
Granted UHD with the right content is amazing, as is 1080p to me. It's just I don't feel there is enough content just yet.
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
There must be a big risk in up scalling SD to UHD. With so much information having to be made up to account for all the extra pixels, I expect there is a real danger of completely altering the program - up scalling Emmerdale to Eastenders , or completely altering story lines of favourite soaps
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
Changing Holby City into Breaking Bad, etc.
Although as they film Emmerdale near us, I'd consider a change to Eastenders downscaling ;-)
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
As long as my new 4k set can upscale to Pobl Y Cwm I'll be happy
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
Then the audience for it can have over 160 pixels each :-)
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
"Pobl Y Cwm"?
I think I've heard of that channel. I'm frightened to go there though, in case I end up on some sort of register.
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
Quartz glyph job vex'd cwm finks
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
Good selling point for manufacturers though - a 4k set that upscales Merlin to Game of thrones
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
Recipient of one of the most startling chat-up lines in history...
Down, boy!
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
These are starting to appear on eBay now. Tempting to have a speedy box with a larger 1tb harddrive. Though my experience with the old t-1000 trial box dying after 2 1/2 years would require me to get a 5 year warranty. For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
Interesting read for those of you with the UHD box.
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"So as more and more Ultra-HD TVs gets sold at major electronics outlets over the next five years, more and more people will want Ultra-HD,” he said. Each stream is about 15 megabits per second. So it takes a good quality Internet connection."
http://advanced-television.com/2015/07/17/netflix-eyes-uhd-boost/
Yep, it's in the video. I think it defaults to UHD 8bit, but the video mentions setting it to 720p if you get a black screen (Help button > 720 > OK).
For anyone who's got the box...
Could you set the HDMI output to 1080p and then view the UHD channel? Intrigued to know if it downscales, or refuses to show it.
And if it shows the UHD channel with a 1080p output... can you see any difference compared with the regular HD channel? Similarly intrigued to know if downscaling the higher resolution channel results in a better or worse picture than viewing the regular HD channel. [Might be able to hide compression artefacts better etc.]
If any proud new owner is able to, I'd be really grateful if you could do a couple of quick tests on the start up time of the BBC iplayer app in the actual "players & app" section.
Using a stop watch on your smart phone( or a real one) launch the iplayer whilst simultaneously starting the stop watch and stopping when the home screen has completed launch. Worth doing twice or even 3 times, as the first time takes a little longer.
Heres the launch times from the last 2 Humax models:
Dtr-t1000 26 secs
Dtr-t2000 11 secs
Dtr-t4000 ?
Be interesting to see if there is any performance jump over the speedier t-2000
1st time took just under 11 second's
2nd and 3rd time took just under 5 second's
Connected red button takes just under 10 seconds from red button menu till available.
So to summerise launching the BBC iplayer app on the Humax Youview models:
DTR-t 1000 - 26secs
DTR-t 2000 - 11secs
The new BT DTR-t4000 - 5 secs
Heading in the right direction
https://www.avforums.com/threads/bt-tv-launches-ultra-hd-sports-channel-1tb-ultra-hd-youview-box.196...
For now the t-2000 is doing a fine job.
Guess these are bound to come to retail at some point
Wonder where these are coming from then. Do we know any proposed timescales for 4K to the aerial? Otherwise presumably a retail box could only access it via t'internet and the likes of Netflix?
*Edit* and iPlayer etc possibly.
It will probably only ever be possible over the Internet and dish.
They are not a TV provider (like Sky and BT) they are only a platform. Plus they are not awash with cash and deep technological changes would be required to embrace UHD (in other words, money).
For cable operators to distribute UHD, they must make changes throughout the video distribution chain, including UHD bandwidth capacity, higher video compression, and UHD-capable devices in the home, Heavy Reading says. But by meeting these requirements, cable will be poised to not only offer UHD content, but also revitalize HDTV, premium services, and video-on-demand (VoD).
http://www.lightreading.com/cable-video/multi-screen-video/is-4k-ultra-hd-in-cables-future/a/d-id/70...
Meanwhile no word from Darroch (Sky) on the subject. Vapourware? Dunno, but somethings going on...
https://recombu.com/digital/article/bbc-reveals-iplayer-plans-30-day-catch-4k-ultra-hd-streaming_M12...
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/134952-bbc-iplayer-to-embrace-ultra-hd-as-part-of-the-beeb-s-long-te...
Sky meanwhile have said nothing.
To be honest even without UHD streaming video quality has a long way to go in terms of what we get via the PSBs at the moment. Even if looking at iPlayer HD streams they as still a far cry from the OTA HD broadcasts imo. Only the BBC actually has HD content anyway, the other providers ITV, C4 and C5 don't have anything. Surely before everyone focuses on UHD they should get some decent HD quality stuff and improve the quality of that. I guess that doesn't shift UHD TVs though. Hell C5 don't even offer a HD OTA service to most of us mere mortals.
As an aside I am still to be convinced by UHD especially at the expense of SD picture quality, its bad enough sometimes watching SD content on a 1080p TV. I can only imagine how bad it gets at UHD screen resolutions.
Granted UHD with the right content is amazing, as is 1080p to me. It's just I don't feel there is enough content just yet.
Although as they film Emmerdale near us, I'd consider a change to Eastenders downscaling ;-)
I think I've heard of that channel. I'm frightened to go there though, in case I end up on some sort of register.
Oh, no, wait....
Down, boy!
https://recombu.com/digital/article/b...