Breaking news: BBC store to close

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  • alal Member, Super User Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    redchiz said:

    Daniel, tell me about it! Collecting LPs as a youth through to adulthood was one thing. And then along came CDs, so truckloads of them too. Followed by DVDs, natch. And now it's all available at the click of a button, or touch of a screen. They're not even worth selling any more, except by weight.

    This must be costing the BBC a fortune they can ill afford. And a lovely tie-in for Amazon, why them in particular?

    But what happens when other virtual providers decide to provide no more? Questions, questions..

    I would recommend talking to your hardware guys about the reliance of a single hard disc for storing anything you might want to keep.
  • JoeJoe Member, Super User Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Joe2 said:

    Getting easy access to bbc store content on the big screen through iplayer was essential, and then marketing it properly. Enough people love bbc content to have made that work particularly the older generations who will buy bbc content for quality as well as nostalgia reasons - having content only available on mobile devices was never going to work for those users.

    Ironically I bought into bbc store as I thought it was a safe bet, and such things such as dramatic closure would never happen. ...That bees nest sure did look enticing :)

    Yes it's V sad for the bbc and the public
  • JoeJoe Member, Super User Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    redchiz said:

    Daniel, tell me about it! Collecting LPs as a youth through to adulthood was one thing. And then along came CDs, so truckloads of them too. Followed by DVDs, natch. And now it's all available at the click of a button, or touch of a screen. They're not even worth selling any more, except by weight.

    This must be costing the BBC a fortune they can ill afford. And a lovely tie-in for Amazon, why them in particular?

    But what happens when other virtual providers decide to provide no more? Questions, questions..

    Yes I've stored all my CD's on the computer. But I wouldn't feel safe without back up.

    That's the thing with DVDs and boxed sets. They quickly accumulate and take up lots of space. I started collecting some classic boxed sets from BBC Store, which I never would have done in the big bulky DVDs boxed sets. I guess a lot will be made available on places like Amazon. I just hope that the hard to find niche BBC content will also continue to find a home digitally.

    It's a shame as the BBC store was being well curated with various different collections, bringing awareness Of programs and writers which I never would have looked for.
  • JoeJoe Member, Super User Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Its such a sudden shocking decision to close BBC Store, that it makes me think that perhaps this isn't just about short term commercial success or lack of it. If it occurs to Joe public ( yes i include myself in that), that wider promotion and availability through iplayer on connected Tv's could have significantly increased sales, then perhaps this could well be another instance of BBC being told not to distort the free market by introducing its own Buy to keep? It doesn't make sense to progress plans so far, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath the project. Particularly as there was so much more potential as it expanded onto Connected Tv's through iplayer
  • Michael GMichael G Member Posts: 876
    edited May 2017
    Joe2 said:

    Its such a sudden shocking decision to close BBC Store, that it makes me think that perhaps this isn't just about short term commercial success or lack of it. If it occurs to Joe public ( yes i include myself in that), that wider promotion and availability through iplayer on connected Tv's could have significantly increased sales, then perhaps this could well be another instance of BBC being told not to distort the free market by introducing its own Buy to keep? It doesn't make sense to progress plans so far, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath the project. Particularly as there was so much more potential as it expanded onto Connected Tv's through iplayer

    Perhaps. Who knows what's going on behind the scenes. No doubt bringing in a licence check but at the same time, opening up their stuff for rent (or buy) worldwide. I had a little job for a while with an audiobook co and their dramas, Dr Who's etc etc were in demand world-wide.

    And these days, their stuff is already available to all sorts of big name services anyway.

    The geo side of it aside, I never saw why they couldn't just fix on one thing for streaming, rent or buy. Err, like iPlayer?
  • DarrenDarren Member, Super User Posts: 533 ✭✭
    edited May 2017
    redchiz said:

    Daniel, tell me about it! Collecting LPs as a youth through to adulthood was one thing. And then along came CDs, so truckloads of them too. Followed by DVDs, natch. And now it's all available at the click of a button, or touch of a screen. They're not even worth selling any more, except by weight.

    This must be costing the BBC a fortune they can ill afford. And a lovely tie-in for Amazon, why them in particular?

    But what happens when other virtual providers decide to provide no more? Questions, questions..

    I did same with my old PC stored all my music on to it and was glad I had a back up as my PC ended up packing in after just over 4 years.
    I still have a good few CDs in the house that I never wanted to get rid of.
    I even found some old music tapes that I had bought in the mid to late 80s the other week.
    External hard drive is good way to back up but I have even heard that they can even go wrong after 5 or 10 years. Although never happened me. I have had a USB pen drive to funny on me once and I nearly lost all the back up photos that I had of my family and the holiday I went on to Canada. For some of the family in the photos are now died over the last 15 years. My holiday photos and some other photos are now also in a folder on my Facebook page.
    I now also use Spotify premium for my music.
    Never used the BBC store but did use the Google play store for a few movies when I used to have an Android Smartphone. My Samsung smart TV in Living room now got an app so you can watch my Google Play Movies on the TV.
    I would buy more movies from the likes of BT Store and others if they would offer a back up. Like sending out the DVD. I also use Netflix.

    Darren
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,168 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Joe2 said:

    Its such a sudden shocking decision to close BBC Store, that it makes me think that perhaps this isn't just about short term commercial success or lack of it. If it occurs to Joe public ( yes i include myself in that), that wider promotion and availability through iplayer on connected Tv's could have significantly increased sales, then perhaps this could well be another instance of BBC being told not to distort the free market by introducing its own Buy to keep? It doesn't make sense to progress plans so far, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath the project. Particularly as there was so much more potential as it expanded onto Connected Tv's through iplayer

    Hi Michael,
    Because using the iPlayer to do so would be too political. As believe it or not, if one types in say, Coronation Street, the iPlayer provides links to the others channels Players to watch such. And such a decision was voluntary one from the BBC.
    Which was what they wanted on and for YouView, dam.
    So to put their pay-for content on there as well would have been a hot potato to say the least. 
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,998 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Joe2 said:

    Its such a sudden shocking decision to close BBC Store, that it makes me think that perhaps this isn't just about short term commercial success or lack of it. If it occurs to Joe public ( yes i include myself in that), that wider promotion and availability through iplayer on connected Tv's could have significantly increased sales, then perhaps this could well be another instance of BBC being told not to distort the free market by introducing its own Buy to keep? It doesn't make sense to progress plans so far, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath the project. Particularly as there was so much more potential as it expanded onto Connected Tv's through iplayer

    Sorry, but I don't understand :-(

    Are you saying that if instead of linking to Coronation Street, the BBC had said "Not found", or "Sorry mate, but that's not one of ours", that would mean the BBC putting their paid content on the iPlayer wouldn't have been a hot potato?
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Joe2 said:

    Its such a sudden shocking decision to close BBC Store, that it makes me think that perhaps this isn't just about short term commercial success or lack of it. If it occurs to Joe public ( yes i include myself in that), that wider promotion and availability through iplayer on connected Tv's could have significantly increased sales, then perhaps this could well be another instance of BBC being told not to distort the free market by introducing its own Buy to keep? It doesn't make sense to progress plans so far, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath the project. Particularly as there was so much more potential as it expanded onto Connected Tv's through iplayer

    I don't understand either, I can't find Coronation Street in the BBC iPlayer?
  • Michael GMichael G Member Posts: 876
    edited May 2017
    Joe2 said:

    Its such a sudden shocking decision to close BBC Store, that it makes me think that perhaps this isn't just about short term commercial success or lack of it. If it occurs to Joe public ( yes i include myself in that), that wider promotion and availability through iplayer on connected Tv's could have significantly increased sales, then perhaps this could well be another instance of BBC being told not to distort the free market by introducing its own Buy to keep? It doesn't make sense to progress plans so far, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath the project. Particularly as there was so much more potential as it expanded onto Connected Tv's through iplayer

    Didn't even know it did that. I tend not to search iPlayer for other channels stuff. For all its PSB history, it has a commercial arm and it's day to day activities are funded by a compulsory subscription. I see Amazon offering streaming, download, buy/rent, digital/physical - all in the same place. And I really don't see much difference.

    Instead of navel gazing they should concentrate on what customers want.

    HQ, ad free, rent/buy, as simply as possible. Not a big ask.
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Joe2 said:

    Its such a sudden shocking decision to close BBC Store, that it makes me think that perhaps this isn't just about short term commercial success or lack of it. If it occurs to Joe public ( yes i include myself in that), that wider promotion and availability through iplayer on connected Tv's could have significantly increased sales, then perhaps this could well be another instance of BBC being told not to distort the free market by introducing its own Buy to keep? It doesn't make sense to progress plans so far, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath the project. Particularly as there was so much more potential as it expanded onto Connected Tv's through iplayer

    I think that's a bit harsh Michael, most people would regard the BBC as world class despite the increasing financial constraints they work under. They can ill-afford to support loss-making ventures, they have to find savings of £600m a year to fund free licences for the over 75s, remember?
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Joe2 said:

    Its such a sudden shocking decision to close BBC Store, that it makes me think that perhaps this isn't just about short term commercial success or lack of it. If it occurs to Joe public ( yes i include myself in that), that wider promotion and availability through iplayer on connected Tv's could have significantly increased sales, then perhaps this could well be another instance of BBC being told not to distort the free market by introducing its own Buy to keep? It doesn't make sense to progress plans so far, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath the project. Particularly as there was so much more potential as it expanded onto Connected Tv's through iplayer

    I think that's a bit harsh Michael, most people would regard the BBC as world class despite the increasing financial constraints they work under. They can ill-afford to support loss-making ventures, they have to find savings of £600m a year to fund free licences for the over 75s, remember?
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Joe2 said:

    Its such a sudden shocking decision to close BBC Store, that it makes me think that perhaps this isn't just about short term commercial success or lack of it. If it occurs to Joe public ( yes i include myself in that), that wider promotion and availability through iplayer on connected Tv's could have significantly increased sales, then perhaps this could well be another instance of BBC being told not to distort the free market by introducing its own Buy to keep? It doesn't make sense to progress plans so far, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath the project. Particularly as there was so much more potential as it expanded onto Connected Tv's through iplayer

    if one types in say, Coronation Street, the iPlayer provides links to the others channels Players to watch such
    I've just done this search on iPlayer on a PC and all results are BBC programmes.
  • Michael GMichael G Member Posts: 876
    edited May 2017
    Joe2 said:

    Its such a sudden shocking decision to close BBC Store, that it makes me think that perhaps this isn't just about short term commercial success or lack of it. If it occurs to Joe public ( yes i include myself in that), that wider promotion and availability through iplayer on connected Tv's could have significantly increased sales, then perhaps this could well be another instance of BBC being told not to distort the free market by introducing its own Buy to keep? It doesn't make sense to progress plans so far, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath the project. Particularly as there was so much more potential as it expanded onto Connected Tv's through iplayer

    Sorry RC, I didn't intend being harsh. I  love the BBC. I'm happy to pay the licence fee to get world class content, ad free. Totally. And I wouldn't mind paying a bit more to get a free licence to those senior citizens who struggle on a basic state pension.

    Nor do I mind the Beeb sullying their hands with filthy lucre. It helps fund the content and keeps the licence fee in check.

    I'm a pragmatist. I just don't get why iPlayer can't be their go to for everything. Others seem to be able to manage multi-tiered services and login eligibility. So what if iPlayer did paid for stuff?

    That aside? BBC? I'm a huge fan.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,998 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Joe2 said:

    Its such a sudden shocking decision to close BBC Store, that it makes me think that perhaps this isn't just about short term commercial success or lack of it. If it occurs to Joe public ( yes i include myself in that), that wider promotion and availability through iplayer on connected Tv's could have significantly increased sales, then perhaps this could well be another instance of BBC being told not to distort the free market by introducing its own Buy to keep? It doesn't make sense to progress plans so far, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath the project. Particularly as there was so much more potential as it expanded onto Connected Tv's through iplayer

    I thought one of us was living in a parallel universe, and I get 'No Results Found' at 'CORA' on TV, YouView, and iPad.

    Where are you seeing this, V?

    Though interestingly, the iPad BBC iPlayer came up at first with this (screenshot taken from the radio player, as I don't seem to be able to exit the TV one on this iPad even by powering right off) :-

    image

    I wonder what this presages?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/usingthebbc/why-...
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  • skillerskiller Member Posts: 297 ✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Joe2 said:

    Its such a sudden shocking decision to close BBC Store, that it makes me think that perhaps this isn't just about short term commercial success or lack of it. If it occurs to Joe public ( yes i include myself in that), that wider promotion and availability through iplayer on connected Tv's could have significantly increased sales, then perhaps this could well be another instance of BBC being told not to distort the free market by introducing its own Buy to keep? It doesn't make sense to progress plans so far, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath the project. Particularly as there was so much more potential as it expanded onto Connected Tv's through iplayer

    Certainly used to be the case, but I don't think it does it these days.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2011/02/bbc_iplayer_find_programmes_fr.html
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Joe2 said:

    Its such a sudden shocking decision to close BBC Store, that it makes me think that perhaps this isn't just about short term commercial success or lack of it. If it occurs to Joe public ( yes i include myself in that), that wider promotion and availability through iplayer on connected Tv's could have significantly increased sales, then perhaps this could well be another instance of BBC being told not to distort the free market by introducing its own Buy to keep? It doesn't make sense to progress plans so far, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath the project. Particularly as there was so much more potential as it expanded onto Connected Tv's through iplayer

    That's been around for a while Roy, tightening the net on the new licence fee obligations I imagine.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,168 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2017
    I need to offer my apologies. The iPlayer no longer offers links to other channels Players. I'm sure it did, but maybe I imagined it.
    In regard to iPlayer Radio, one doesn't need a TVL to listen to the BBCs radio content. I believe the future sign in requirement will be for future upcoming personalisation features, such as a Favorite Programmes tab, etc. A bit (or perhaps a lot) like Youtube.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • DanielDaniel Member, Super User Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Visionman said:

    I need to offer my apologies. The iPlayer no longer offers links to other channels Players. I'm sure it did, but maybe I imagined it.
    In regard to iPlayer Radio, one doesn't need a TVL to listen to the BBCs radio content. I believe the future sign in requirement will be for future upcoming personalisation features, such as a Favorite Programmes tab, etc. A bit (or perhaps a lot) like Youtube.

    Vision man you are not imagining it I remember this as well on the pc version if you typed in another channels show it would come up with results and if you clicked on it you would be taken to the relivent player for example itv player. It was only available for psb content but has been gone for a number of years. It's another feature that's history.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,998 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Joe2 said:

    Its such a sudden shocking decision to close BBC Store, that it makes me think that perhaps this isn't just about short term commercial success or lack of it. If it occurs to Joe public ( yes i include myself in that), that wider promotion and availability through iplayer on connected Tv's could have significantly increased sales, then perhaps this could well be another instance of BBC being told not to distort the free market by introducing its own Buy to keep? It doesn't make sense to progress plans so far, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath the project. Particularly as there was so much more potential as it expanded onto Connected Tv's through iplayer

    Which should then loosen the geo-restrictions; if I can prove I have a UK TV licence, then I should be able to watch the BBC from Spain.

    What's the betting they still won't allow this?
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,168 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Joe2 said:

    Its such a sudden shocking decision to close BBC Store, that it makes me think that perhaps this isn't just about short term commercial success or lack of it. If it occurs to Joe public ( yes i include myself in that), that wider promotion and availability through iplayer on connected Tv's could have significantly increased sales, then perhaps this could well be another instance of BBC being told not to distort the free market by introducing its own Buy to keep? It doesn't make sense to progress plans so far, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath the project. Particularly as there was so much more potential as it expanded onto Connected Tv's through iplayer

    Full.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,998 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Visionman said:

    I need to offer my apologies. The iPlayer no longer offers links to other channels Players. I'm sure it did, but maybe I imagined it.
    In regard to iPlayer Radio, one doesn't need a TVL to listen to the BBCs radio content. I believe the future sign in requirement will be for future upcoming personalisation features, such as a Favorite Programmes tab, etc. A bit (or perhaps a lot) like Youtube.

    Yes; I distinctly remember YouView having Lists :-)
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  • DanielDaniel Member, Super User Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Visionman said:

    I need to offer my apologies. The iPlayer no longer offers links to other channels Players. I'm sure it did, but maybe I imagined it.
    In regard to iPlayer Radio, one doesn't need a TVL to listen to the BBCs radio content. I believe the future sign in requirement will be for future upcoming personalisation features, such as a Favorite Programmes tab, etc. A bit (or perhaps a lot) like Youtube.

    Distant memory for me Mr Roy. I vaguely recall it I think.
  • churchwardenchurchwarden Member Posts: 795
    edited May 2017
    Visionman said:

    I need to offer my apologies. The iPlayer no longer offers links to other channels Players. I'm sure it did, but maybe I imagined it.
    In regard to iPlayer Radio, one doesn't need a TVL to listen to the BBCs radio content. I believe the future sign in requirement will be for future upcoming personalisation features, such as a Favorite Programmes tab, etc. A bit (or perhaps a lot) like Youtube.

    Lists are SO yesterday....
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,998 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2017
    Visionman said:

    I need to offer my apologies. The iPlayer no longer offers links to other channels Players. I'm sure it did, but maybe I imagined it.
    In regard to iPlayer Radio, one doesn't need a TVL to listen to the BBCs radio content. I believe the future sign in requirement will be for future upcoming personalisation features, such as a Favorite Programmes tab, etc. A bit (or perhaps a lot) like Youtube.

    'Doctor, doctor, I get sick every time I look at My Recordings on NextGen'

    'Yes, I diagnose a terrible attack of shingles'
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  • JoeJoe Member, Super User Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2017
  • DanielDaniel Member, Super User Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Joe2 said:
    It says sky and BT got round the drm issue by sending dvds. To be honest I have never had a dvd when using the bt store am I missing something here?
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,168 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2017
    The whole concept of IP 'Buy To Keep' purchase is a highly controversial topic in itself, due to the draconian T&Cs that are imposed on such purchases. A bit like (well a lot actually) the XBOX One digital rights issues they tried to impose at launch. And people just rebelled. Yeah, look where that got them.
    Though I've never used it, the Ultraviolet model looks ok.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • DanielDaniel Member, Super User Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Visionman said:

    The whole concept of IP 'Buy To Keep' purchase is a highly controversial topic in itself, due to the draconian T&Cs that are imposed on such purchases. A bit like (well a lot actually) the XBOX One digital rights issues they tried to impose at launch. And people just rebelled. Yeah, look where that got them.
    Though I've never used it, the Ultraviolet model looks ok.

    As well I know. When I change provider next year when my contract expires I will only be able to view my purchases on the bt tv purchase app. Unfortunately in my opinion because I won't watch them there it's been a massive waste of money because essentially I will have lost them. In future I am going to stick to buying a disc or using Google store and chromecast for digital purchases as my Google account I have had for years and I can keep on a change of isp.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,168 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2017
    "Sky and BT have circumvented this legal issue with their ‘buy to keep’ services by also dispatching a DVD copy of the movie at the time of purchase."

    I believe this statement to be incorrect. Only SKY send out DVDs (not BT). But they are not allowed to send out Blurays. But one can go into a shop or purchase a physical disk online elsewhere. Madness....
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
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