- removed ability to set a start from time when replaying a recording. Indeed. But this isn't a feature on Sky either, despite what you claim. And zipping back and forwards along the timeline is pretty quick to be fair.
- removed ability to see how much time is left on the live TV pause buffer I don't really understand this point. There has always been a maximum of two hours. And the timeline on the buffer shows the start point, which is surely more useful. Again, I can't see any significant difference from Sky.
- removed ability to see (in a list) which season recordings have the most episodes to indicate which to delete first to get disk space back I don't understand this either, save for the list objection. If you click on a series tile it tells you how many episodes are there. You don't get that with Sky.
- inability to stop the recorder going into standby overnight meaning you wake to no live TV buffer Don't understand this again, sorry, you have to have any box on in order for the live TV buffer to be working.
- inability to download 'catch up TV' programmes in the background so (a) live TV isn't interrupted and (b) you can view them as peer recordings As I mentioned earlier, that is hardly an "inability" it reflects the YouView box's ability to stream catch up and On Demand content, something which most connected devices can do, save for the Sky box of course which doesn't really do On Demand at all, you have to download it first. Not advantageous for anyone who seems concerned about deleting stuff to get disk space back. Nor for anyone who seeks to use all the features of the excellent BBC iPlayer.
There has been much discussion here and I imagine elsewhere over the years about the "holy grail" of devices, which will do it all. That sadly doesn't exist and seems less likely to as competition continually hots up. My best advice would be to find a PVR you are happy with and then add-on such peripheral devices as an Apple TV, Chromecast, Roku, Fire TV etc. Having done so myself I believe I have the best of all worlds. And am happy to enjoy my TV viewing in the main rather than moaning about it all the time.
Yes thanks but nothing can be done to stop it turning itself off and disabling the live pause buffer.
@Steve K No you are watching a recording not a stream. You can start playing what has already recorded even before the download has finished but you are still just watching the recorded part from the hard drive not a stream. Subtle difference
No difference to the viewer and you still are watching a point in the middle of the stream that starts with the beginning of the programme and ends at the end of the programme.
And the point remains that on Youview you can only use Catch Up by interrupting what you are currently viewing. This wasn't made any worse by the New Gen update but it was a serious deficiency compared to 'other' PVRs and they did nothing to fix it.
I just about never use Catch Up on Youview because 'other' recorders are so so much better at it.
I've been very disappointed to read some of the comments above. Particularly the ones from churchwarden & LloydofLondon, for whom I have the deepest respect.
Is that as disappointing as long standing lovers of Youview wishing to suppress discussion of the deficiencies of the Next Gen update by comparison with the state of the art in PVRs? Please say.
I've been very disappointed to read some of the comments above. Particularly the ones from churchwarden & LloydofLondon, for whom I have the deepest respect.
Discussion? Thats what this forum is for. So no one wishes to suppress the discussion of anything. It appears to be you that wishes to do that, on any user who cares to have a different opinion to yours.
I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
- removed ability to set a start from time when replaying a recording. Indeed. But this isn't a feature on Sky either, despite what you claim. And zipping back and forwards along the timeline is pretty quick to be fair.
- removed ability to see how much time is left on the live TV pause buffer I don't really understand this point. There has always been a maximum of two hours. And the timeline on the buffer shows the start point, which is surely more useful. Again, I can't see any significant difference from Sky.
- removed ability to see (in a list) which season recordings have the most episodes to indicate which to delete first to get disk space back I don't understand this either, save for the list objection. If you click on a series tile it tells you how many episodes are there. You don't get that with Sky.
- inability to stop the recorder going into standby overnight meaning you wake to no live TV buffer Don't understand this again, sorry, you have to have any box on in order for the live TV buffer to be working.
- inability to download 'catch up TV' programmes in the background so (a) live TV isn't interrupted and (b) you can view them as peer recordings As I mentioned earlier, that is hardly an "inability" it reflects the YouView box's ability to stream catch up and On Demand content, something which most connected devices can do, save for the Sky box of course which doesn't really do On Demand at all, you have to download it first. Not advantageous for anyone who seems concerned about deleting stuff to get disk space back. Nor for anyone who seeks to use all the features of the excellent BBC iPlayer.
There has been much discussion here and I imagine elsewhere over the years about the "holy grail" of devices, which will do it all. That sadly doesn't exist and seems less likely to as competition continually hots up. My best advice would be to find a PVR you are happy with and then add-on such peripheral devices as an Apple TV, Chromecast, Roku, Fire TV etc. Having done so myself I believe I have the best of all worlds. And am happy to enjoy my TV viewing in the main rather than moaning about it all the time.
It is unlikely that the feature set of a box on one platform would exactly mirror that of a box on another.
I've been very disappointed to read some of the comments above. Particularly the ones from churchwarden & LloydofLondon, for whom I have the deepest respect.
"You did it first"
"No, you did it"
"No, you"
"No.... Right, now im telling teacher. "
Fascinating.
(not really gettting youview deficiencies fixed, though, is it. Oh wait, did I suggest youview have deficiencies? Ding ding.... Round 3....)
To try and reset this surely the point is to assess the Youview Box with next Gen 27.50 it has to be compared to reference points. And there are two main reference points
a) the functionality before this 27.50 update. And we know that much used functions were removed by that update from boxes already in customer use. Not good
b) the functionality of the rest of the PVR market. Inevitably that is dominated by Sky and TiVo. And YouView is v poor in comparison
If some people seek to present a false adverse assessment of the rest of the market in order to make 27.50 YouView look good then that is bound to cause friction on a forum. Perhaps such people who wish to post product libel should read rules 4.1 and 4.2.4 of this forum
I've been very disappointed to read some of the comments above. Particularly the ones from churchwarden & LloydofLondon, for whom I have the deepest respect.
With the possible exception of YouView's Stephen, there isn't a manjack (or womanjill) on here who can fix YouView.
And as regards the deficiencies, our own Champion Keith enumerated these on Day One, more calmly and completely than any posting since, mine included.
The rest is largely duplication:-(
Very Important duplication, as YouView wanted the feedback, and they got it in spades, from the justifiably angry people who had been hit by NextGen without warning.
And very valuable duplication, since each person voicing their own concerns built up the pattern of priorities; showing which were the main points of hurt, that needed tackling first.
And in among the thousands of posts, a few things that could be addressed, to be found and responded to; things that could be explained - which is not to say excused - and things that couldn't be helped.
But also a certain amount of going over the top :-(
Forgivable in a first post, maybe even a second, but after that it has to become a rational discussion, or there's no point.
Believe me, there's nobody here who knows the deficiencies of NextGen better than the old hands, and nobody (with admittedly the odd exception, but hey, this is a forum, it happens) who would seek to deny them.
The only thing we don't know is the fury you feel; many of us had advance notice, went into NextGen with our eyes open (and another box on CurrentGen for actual day-to-day use) so all we felt when YouView started rolling NextGen out was aghast.
If you think any of us are defending the indefensible, though, then that's a pretty sure sign you've gone beyond the boundaries of what the manifold deficiencies of NextGen, and the way it has been rolled out, are.
And lord knows those boundaries are wide :-(
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
I've been very disappointed to read some of the comments above. Particularly the ones from churchwarden & LloydofLondon, for whom I have the deepest respect.
Good post Roy. And that's coming from someone who is still in a rage about NextGen.
I've been very disappointed to read some of the comments above. Particularly the ones from churchwarden & LloydofLondon, for whom I have the deepest respect.
Yes an excellent post and well worth reading back to Keith's first post in this thread and the first impressions link embedded in it
- removed ability to set a start from time when replaying a recording. Indeed. But this isn't a feature on Sky either, despite what you claim. And zipping back and forwards along the timeline is pretty quick to be fair.
- removed ability to see how much time is left on the live TV pause buffer I don't really understand this point. There has always been a maximum of two hours. And the timeline on the buffer shows the start point, which is surely more useful. Again, I can't see any significant difference from Sky.
- removed ability to see (in a list) which season recordings have the most episodes to indicate which to delete first to get disk space back I don't understand this either, save for the list objection. If you click on a series tile it tells you how many episodes are there. You don't get that with Sky.
- inability to stop the recorder going into standby overnight meaning you wake to no live TV buffer Don't understand this again, sorry, you have to have any box on in order for the live TV buffer to be working.
- inability to download 'catch up TV' programmes in the background so (a) live TV isn't interrupted and (b) you can view them as peer recordings As I mentioned earlier, that is hardly an "inability" it reflects the YouView box's ability to stream catch up and On Demand content, something which most connected devices can do, save for the Sky box of course which doesn't really do On Demand at all, you have to download it first. Not advantageous for anyone who seems concerned about deleting stuff to get disk space back. Nor for anyone who seeks to use all the features of the excellent BBC iPlayer.
There has been much discussion here and I imagine elsewhere over the years about the "holy grail" of devices, which will do it all. That sadly doesn't exist and seems less likely to as competition continually hots up. My best advice would be to find a PVR you are happy with and then add-on such peripheral devices as an Apple TV, Chromecast, Roku, Fire TV etc. Having done so myself I believe I have the best of all worlds. And am happy to enjoy my TV viewing in the main rather than moaning about it all the time.
Apologies Jonesh I may have got this wrong. There is now an 'Always Ready' standby mode that I haven't tested but seems to keep the live pause buffer going
- removed ability to set a start from time when replaying a recording. Indeed. But this isn't a feature on Sky either, despite what you claim. And zipping back and forwards along the timeline is pretty quick to be fair.
- removed ability to see how much time is left on the live TV pause buffer I don't really understand this point. There has always been a maximum of two hours. And the timeline on the buffer shows the start point, which is surely more useful. Again, I can't see any significant difference from Sky.
- removed ability to see (in a list) which season recordings have the most episodes to indicate which to delete first to get disk space back I don't understand this either, save for the list objection. If you click on a series tile it tells you how many episodes are there. You don't get that with Sky.
- inability to stop the recorder going into standby overnight meaning you wake to no live TV buffer Don't understand this again, sorry, you have to have any box on in order for the live TV buffer to be working.
- inability to download 'catch up TV' programmes in the background so (a) live TV isn't interrupted and (b) you can view them as peer recordings As I mentioned earlier, that is hardly an "inability" it reflects the YouView box's ability to stream catch up and On Demand content, something which most connected devices can do, save for the Sky box of course which doesn't really do On Demand at all, you have to download it first. Not advantageous for anyone who seems concerned about deleting stuff to get disk space back. Nor for anyone who seeks to use all the features of the excellent BBC iPlayer.
There has been much discussion here and I imagine elsewhere over the years about the "holy grail" of devices, which will do it all. That sadly doesn't exist and seems less likely to as competition continually hots up. My best advice would be to find a PVR you are happy with and then add-on such peripheral devices as an Apple TV, Chromecast, Roku, Fire TV etc. Having done so myself I believe I have the best of all worlds. And am happy to enjoy my TV viewing in the main rather than moaning about it all the time.
Thanks Steve K. I wondered if the Always Ready standby mode would do what you wanted, but I haven't tried it either.
I think that the box uses about 15W in low eco mode, but it makes sense if the HDD is powered.
Hi Just like to add my thoughts on this NexGen update. My daughter is dyslexic and has great trouble reading the new tiles - too much information. Even the recent update still means many programmes have incomplete titles, so is difficult to find what you really want. Lists are MUCH easier to read & select from. I agree with many writers here, restoration of lists is probably the greatest number of comments here. When you have watched a programme, also why doesn't it stay in the programme series so you can easily watch the next, or just delete the one you've watched? One other point, why not allow fast forward outside a programme using the bar. Quite often we start a programme while eating tea & then move into another room to watch the rest of the program - being able to "wind on" to 30 mins into the program is very useful then. So I still hope these can be addressed soon, but I also agree with not rushing an update. Nigelf
Hi Just like to add my thoughts on this NexGen update. My daughter is dyslexic and has great trouble reading the new tiles - too much information. Even the recent update still means many programmes have incomplete titles, so is difficult to find what you really want. Lists are MUCH easier to read & select from. I agree with many writers here, restoration of lists is probably the greatest number of comments here. When you have watched a programme, also why doesn't it stay in the programme series so you can easily watch the next, or just delete the one you've watched? One other point, why not allow fast forward outside a programme using the bar. Quite often we start a programme while eating tea & then move into another room to watch the rest of the program - being able to "wind on" to 30 mins into the program is very useful then. So I still hope these can be addressed soon, but I also agree with not rushing an update. Nigelf
Surely if she is dyslexic the icons would be a much greater assistance than longer titles. The new update does stay in the watched series now, so that is fixed. Totally agree with the jump to time and have made my feelings known on that one ;-)
Hi Just like to add my thoughts on this NexGen update. My daughter is dyslexic and has great trouble reading the new tiles - too much information. Even the recent update still means many programmes have incomplete titles, so is difficult to find what you really want. Lists are MUCH easier to read & select from. I agree with many writers here, restoration of lists is probably the greatest number of comments here. When you have watched a programme, also why doesn't it stay in the programme series so you can easily watch the next, or just delete the one you've watched? One other point, why not allow fast forward outside a programme using the bar. Quite often we start a programme while eating tea & then move into another room to watch the rest of the program - being able to "wind on" to 30 mins into the program is very useful then. So I still hope these can be addressed soon, but I also agree with not rushing an update. Nigelf
Hi Scott. She finds lots of information confusing and has trouble "filtering out" what she doesn't need, so a combination of text and pictures is very confusing for her. She has the same sort of trouble with websites.
Hi Just like to add my thoughts on this NexGen update. My daughter is dyslexic and has great trouble reading the new tiles - too much information. Even the recent update still means many programmes have incomplete titles, so is difficult to find what you really want. Lists are MUCH easier to read & select from. I agree with many writers here, restoration of lists is probably the greatest number of comments here. When you have watched a programme, also why doesn't it stay in the programme series so you can easily watch the next, or just delete the one you've watched? One other point, why not allow fast forward outside a programme using the bar. Quite often we start a programme while eating tea & then move into another room to watch the rest of the program - being able to "wind on" to 30 mins into the program is very useful then. So I still hope these can be addressed soon, but I also agree with not rushing an update. Nigelf
Looking at those farcical tiles is starting to make ME dyselcksix. :-)
Really is about time we heard of the return of the lists. At least, as an option.
Hi Just like to add my thoughts on this NexGen update. My daughter is dyslexic and has great trouble reading the new tiles - too much information. Even the recent update still means many programmes have incomplete titles, so is difficult to find what you really want. Lists are MUCH easier to read & select from. I agree with many writers here, restoration of lists is probably the greatest number of comments here. When you have watched a programme, also why doesn't it stay in the programme series so you can easily watch the next, or just delete the one you've watched? One other point, why not allow fast forward outside a programme using the bar. Quite often we start a programme while eating tea & then move into another room to watch the rest of the program - being able to "wind on" to 30 mins into the program is very useful then. So I still hope these can be addressed soon, but I also agree with not rushing an update. Nigelf
The use of tiles have been around for years in other forms. After all, that is where Picasso got his inspiration. And look what nonsense he made.
- removed ability to set a start from time when replaying a recording. Indeed. But this isn't a feature on Sky either, despite what you claim. And zipping back and forwards along the timeline is pretty quick to be fair.
- removed ability to see how much time is left on the live TV pause buffer I don't really understand this point. There has always been a maximum of two hours. And the timeline on the buffer shows the start point, which is surely more useful. Again, I can't see any significant difference from Sky.
- removed ability to see (in a list) which season recordings have the most episodes to indicate which to delete first to get disk space back I don't understand this either, save for the list objection. If you click on a series tile it tells you how many episodes are there. You don't get that with Sky.
- inability to stop the recorder going into standby overnight meaning you wake to no live TV buffer Don't understand this again, sorry, you have to have any box on in order for the live TV buffer to be working.
- inability to download 'catch up TV' programmes in the background so (a) live TV isn't interrupted and (b) you can view them as peer recordings As I mentioned earlier, that is hardly an "inability" it reflects the YouView box's ability to stream catch up and On Demand content, something which most connected devices can do, save for the Sky box of course which doesn't really do On Demand at all, you have to download it first. Not advantageous for anyone who seems concerned about deleting stuff to get disk space back. Nor for anyone who seeks to use all the features of the excellent BBC iPlayer.
There has been much discussion here and I imagine elsewhere over the years about the "holy grail" of devices, which will do it all. That sadly doesn't exist and seems less likely to as competition continually hots up. My best advice would be to find a PVR you are happy with and then add-on such peripheral devices as an Apple TV, Chromecast, Roku, Fire TV etc. Having done so myself I believe I have the best of all worlds. And am happy to enjoy my TV viewing in the main rather than moaning about it all the time.
Well I have now checked and even in Always Ready mode you do lose the pause buffer
- removed ability to set a start from time when replaying a recording. Indeed. But this isn't a feature on Sky either, despite what you claim. And zipping back and forwards along the timeline is pretty quick to be fair.
- removed ability to see how much time is left on the live TV pause buffer I don't really understand this point. There has always been a maximum of two hours. And the timeline on the buffer shows the start point, which is surely more useful. Again, I can't see any significant difference from Sky.
- removed ability to see (in a list) which season recordings have the most episodes to indicate which to delete first to get disk space back I don't understand this either, save for the list objection. If you click on a series tile it tells you how many episodes are there. You don't get that with Sky.
- inability to stop the recorder going into standby overnight meaning you wake to no live TV buffer Don't understand this again, sorry, you have to have any box on in order for the live TV buffer to be working.
- inability to download 'catch up TV' programmes in the background so (a) live TV isn't interrupted and (b) you can view them as peer recordings As I mentioned earlier, that is hardly an "inability" it reflects the YouView box's ability to stream catch up and On Demand content, something which most connected devices can do, save for the Sky box of course which doesn't really do On Demand at all, you have to download it first. Not advantageous for anyone who seems concerned about deleting stuff to get disk space back. Nor for anyone who seeks to use all the features of the excellent BBC iPlayer.
There has been much discussion here and I imagine elsewhere over the years about the "holy grail" of devices, which will do it all. That sadly doesn't exist and seems less likely to as competition continually hots up. My best advice would be to find a PVR you are happy with and then add-on such peripheral devices as an Apple TV, Chromecast, Roku, Fire TV etc. Having done so myself I believe I have the best of all worlds. And am happy to enjoy my TV viewing in the main rather than moaning about it all the time.
Strange that every morning I can turn on my box to find the BBC Breakfast programme with two hours in the buffer. Try some other settings. This really isn't rocket science.
Hi Just like to add my thoughts on this NexGen update. My daughter is dyslexic and has great trouble reading the new tiles - too much information. Even the recent update still means many programmes have incomplete titles, so is difficult to find what you really want. Lists are MUCH easier to read & select from. I agree with many writers here, restoration of lists is probably the greatest number of comments here. When you have watched a programme, also why doesn't it stay in the programme series so you can easily watch the next, or just delete the one you've watched? One other point, why not allow fast forward outside a programme using the bar. Quite often we start a programme while eating tea & then move into another room to watch the rest of the program - being able to "wind on" to 30 mins into the program is very useful then. So I still hope these can be addressed soon, but I also agree with not rushing an update. Nigelf
Picasso had a break-in at his studio, but saw the man fleeing, and was able to draw a picture of him for the gendarmes.
They later arrested three pilchards, the Eiffel Tower, and the back-end of a horse :-)
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
Hi Just like to add my thoughts on this NexGen update. My daughter is dyslexic and has great trouble reading the new tiles - too much information. Even the recent update still means many programmes have incomplete titles, so is difficult to find what you really want. Lists are MUCH easier to read & select from. I agree with many writers here, restoration of lists is probably the greatest number of comments here. When you have watched a programme, also why doesn't it stay in the programme series so you can easily watch the next, or just delete the one you've watched? One other point, why not allow fast forward outside a programme using the bar. Quite often we start a programme while eating tea & then move into another room to watch the rest of the program - being able to "wind on" to 30 mins into the program is very useful then. So I still hope these can be addressed soon, but I also agree with not rushing an update. Nigelf
Picasso? I'd say the interface is more akin to a Jackson Pollock monstrosity. In fact, yes, I decree nextgen to be 'a load of Pollocks'.
Fed up with this 'Next Gen' software now. Can't hide channels I have zero interest in. Now I have on my EPG place holders , for each ohannel, saying they've moved.I seriously don't care. Yes I know this functionality is 'testing'. Cant pair the Youview app to the box. I received an invite from Talk Talk to go to Youview to test out the new Talk Talk app. I infidelity cant make it, but have to decline anyway as there is no way the box can be paired to tne app anyway. Completely useless update as far as I am concerned, with no recognition of this problem. Huge amount of screen 'real estate' taken up with nothing other than blank space when accessing MyTV. Plus a host of other niggles that make this software absolutely appalling. Thank goodness I have my Humax freesat box, because whom ever is responsible for signing off this software 'downdate' should have wordscwith themselves. I'm unfollowing this thread now.
Fed up with this 'Next Gen' software now. Can't hide channels I have zero interest in. Now I have on my EPG place holders , for each ohannel, saying they've moved.I seriously don't care. Yes I know this functionality is 'testing'. Cant pair the Youview app to the box. I received an invite from Talk Talk to go to Youview to test out the new Talk Talk app. I infidelity cant make it, but have to decline anyway as there is no way the box can be paired to tne app anyway. Completely useless update as far as I am concerned, with no recognition of this problem. Huge amount of screen 'real estate' taken up with nothing other than blank space when accessing MyTV. Plus a host of other niggles that make this software absolutely appalling. Thank goodness I have my Humax freesat box, because whom ever is responsible for signing off this software 'downdate' should have wordscwith themselves. I'm unfollowing this thread now.
Sorry to hear you are so unhappy. Don't really understand your point about the TalkTalk app, too much haste in typing? And a Freesat box is not much of an alternative for the majority of YouView users.
Fed up with this 'Next Gen' software now. Can't hide channels I have zero interest in. Now I have on my EPG place holders , for each ohannel, saying they've moved.I seriously don't care. Yes I know this functionality is 'testing'. Cant pair the Youview app to the box. I received an invite from Talk Talk to go to Youview to test out the new Talk Talk app. I infidelity cant make it, but have to decline anyway as there is no way the box can be paired to tne app anyway. Completely useless update as far as I am concerned, with no recognition of this problem. Huge amount of screen 'real estate' taken up with nothing other than blank space when accessing MyTV. Plus a host of other niggles that make this software absolutely appalling. Thank goodness I have my Humax freesat box, because whom ever is responsible for signing off this software 'downdate' should have wordscwith themselves. I'm unfollowing this thread now.
Older iThingys won't run the latest TalkTalk app. They will still run the old App, but that expects to pair with the box the old way, which has been discontinued in favour of the new way.
Which needs the new App that you can't run on the old iPhone..
And spending £500, either straight off or bit by bit in a new contract, seems a bit disproportionate to support an App for a £150 box....
So "there's a hole in my bucket, dear YouView, dear YouView..."
Best only to whisper that my superannuated Moto G Generation 1 (because it runs on the A-word. OS) is running the latestvYouView app and still pairing like a good 'un.
Under £50'at CeX, some of these.
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
Fed up with this 'Next Gen' software now. Can't hide channels I have zero interest in. Now I have on my EPG place holders , for each ohannel, saying they've moved.I seriously don't care. Yes I know this functionality is 'testing'. Cant pair the Youview app to the box. I received an invite from Talk Talk to go to Youview to test out the new Talk Talk app. I infidelity cant make it, but have to decline anyway as there is no way the box can be paired to tne app anyway. Completely useless update as far as I am concerned, with no recognition of this problem. Huge amount of screen 'real estate' taken up with nothing other than blank space when accessing MyTV. Plus a host of other niggles that make this software absolutely appalling. Thank goodness I have my Humax freesat box, because whom ever is responsible for signing off this software 'downdate' should have wordscwith themselves. I'm unfollowing this thread now.
Yep, nobody should ever never a need to upgrade. I've heard that our beloved NHS is still running successfully on Windows XP. Oh, hang on ...
Fed up with this 'Next Gen' software now. Can't hide channels I have zero interest in. Now I have on my EPG place holders , for each ohannel, saying they've moved.I seriously don't care. Yes I know this functionality is 'testing'. Cant pair the Youview app to the box. I received an invite from Talk Talk to go to Youview to test out the new Talk Talk app. I infidelity cant make it, but have to decline anyway as there is no way the box can be paired to tne app anyway. Completely useless update as far as I am concerned, with no recognition of this problem. Huge amount of screen 'real estate' taken up with nothing other than blank space when accessing MyTV. Plus a host of other niggles that make this software absolutely appalling. Thank goodness I have my Humax freesat box, because whom ever is responsible for signing off this software 'downdate' should have wordscwith themselves. I'm unfollowing this thread now.
Yep, nobody should ever have a need to upgrade. I've heard that our beloved NHS is still running successfully on Windows XP. Oh, hang on ...
Fed up with this 'Next Gen' software now. Can't hide channels I have zero interest in. Now I have on my EPG place holders , for each ohannel, saying they've moved.I seriously don't care. Yes I know this functionality is 'testing'. Cant pair the Youview app to the box. I received an invite from Talk Talk to go to Youview to test out the new Talk Talk app. I infidelity cant make it, but have to decline anyway as there is no way the box can be paired to tne app anyway. Completely useless update as far as I am concerned, with no recognition of this problem. Huge amount of screen 'real estate' taken up with nothing other than blank space when accessing MyTV. Plus a host of other niggles that make this software absolutely appalling. Thank goodness I have my Humax freesat box, because whom ever is responsible for signing off this software 'downdate' should have wordscwith themselves. I'm unfollowing this thread now.
Conversely, I've heard that our beloved YouView box is running successfully on NextGen. Oh, hang on...
‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
Fed up with this 'Next Gen' software now. Can't hide channels I have zero interest in. Now I have on my EPG place holders , for each ohannel, saying they've moved.I seriously don't care. Yes I know this functionality is 'testing'. Cant pair the Youview app to the box. I received an invite from Talk Talk to go to Youview to test out the new Talk Talk app. I infidelity cant make it, but have to decline anyway as there is no way the box can be paired to tne app anyway. Completely useless update as far as I am concerned, with no recognition of this problem. Huge amount of screen 'real estate' taken up with nothing other than blank space when accessing MyTV. Plus a host of other niggles that make this software absolutely appalling. Thank goodness I have my Humax freesat box, because whom ever is responsible for signing off this software 'downdate' should have wordscwith themselves. I'm unfollowing this thread now.
Your beloved YouView box which you berate so much? LOL
Fed up with this 'Next Gen' software now. Can't hide channels I have zero interest in. Now I have on my EPG place holders , for each ohannel, saying they've moved.I seriously don't care. Yes I know this functionality is 'testing'. Cant pair the Youview app to the box. I received an invite from Talk Talk to go to Youview to test out the new Talk Talk app. I infidelity cant make it, but have to decline anyway as there is no way the box can be paired to tne app anyway. Completely useless update as far as I am concerned, with no recognition of this problem. Huge amount of screen 'real estate' taken up with nothing other than blank space when accessing MyTV. Plus a host of other niggles that make this software absolutely appalling. Thank goodness I have my Humax freesat box, because whom ever is responsible for signing off this software 'downdate' should have wordscwith themselves. I'm unfollowing this thread now.
That's the three, yes.
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Fed up with this 'Next Gen' software now. Can't hide channels I have zero interest in. Now I have on my EPG place holders , for each ohannel, saying they've moved.I seriously don't care. Yes I know this functionality is 'testing'. Cant pair the Youview app to the box. I received an invite from Talk Talk to go to Youview to test out the new Talk Talk app. I infidelity cant make it, but have to decline anyway as there is no way the box can be paired to tne app anyway. Completely useless update as far as I am concerned, with no recognition of this problem. Huge amount of screen 'real estate' taken up with nothing other than blank space when accessing MyTV. Plus a host of other niggles that make this software absolutely appalling. Thank goodness I have my Humax freesat box, because whom ever is responsible for signing off this software 'downdate' should have wordscwith themselves. I'm unfollowing this thread now.
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And turning off Smart mode makes it even worse because the box still turns off and then takes longer to start up.
https://support.youview.com/youview-box/box-and-remote/using-smart-standby#
And the point remains that on Youview you can only use Catch Up by interrupting what you are currently viewing. This wasn't made any worse by the New Gen update but it was a serious deficiency compared to 'other' PVRs and they did nothing to fix it.
I just about never use Catch Up on Youview because 'other' recorders are so so much better at it.
"No, you did it"
"No, you"
"No.... Right, now im telling teacher. "
Fascinating.
(not really gettting youview deficiencies fixed, though, is it. Oh wait, did I suggest youview have deficiencies? Ding ding.... Round 3....)
To try and reset this surely the point is to assess the Youview Box with next Gen 27.50 it has to be compared to reference points. And there are two main reference points
a) the functionality before this 27.50 update. And we know that much used functions were removed by that update from boxes already in customer use. Not good
b) the functionality of the rest of the PVR market. Inevitably that is dominated by Sky and TiVo. And YouView is v poor in comparison
If some people seek to present a false adverse assessment of the rest of the market in order to make 27.50 YouView look good then that is bound to cause friction on a forum. Perhaps such people who wish to post product libel should read rules 4.1 and 4.2.4 of this forum
And as regards the deficiencies, our own Champion Keith enumerated these on Day One, more calmly and completely than any posting since, mine included.
The rest is largely duplication:-(
Very Important duplication, as YouView wanted the feedback, and they got it in spades, from the justifiably angry people who had been hit by NextGen without warning.
And very valuable duplication, since each person voicing their own concerns built up the pattern of priorities; showing which were the main points of hurt, that needed tackling first.
And in among the thousands of posts, a few things that could be addressed, to be found and responded to; things that could be explained - which is not to say excused - and things that couldn't be helped.
But also a certain amount of going over the top :-(
Forgivable in a first post, maybe even a second, but after that it has to become a rational discussion, or there's no point.
Believe me, there's nobody here who knows the deficiencies of NextGen better than the old hands, and nobody (with admittedly the odd exception, but hey, this is a forum, it happens) who would seek to deny them.
The only thing we don't know is the fury you feel; many of us had advance notice, went into NextGen with our eyes open (and another box on CurrentGen for actual day-to-day use) so all we felt when YouView started rolling NextGen out was aghast.
If you think any of us are defending the indefensible, though, then that's a pretty sure sign you've gone beyond the boundaries of what the manifold deficiencies of NextGen, and the way it has been rolled out, are.
And lord knows those boundaries are wide :-(
I think that the box uses about 15W in low eco mode, but it makes sense if the HDD is powered.
Just like to add my thoughts on this NexGen update. My daughter is dyslexic and has great trouble reading the new tiles - too much information. Even the recent update still means many programmes have incomplete titles, so is difficult to find what you really want. Lists are MUCH easier to read & select from.
I agree with many writers here, restoration of lists is probably the greatest number of comments here. When you have watched a programme, also why doesn't it stay in the programme series so you can easily watch the next, or just delete the one you've watched?
One other point, why not allow fast forward outside a programme using the bar. Quite often we start a programme while eating tea & then move into another room to watch the rest of the program - being able to "wind on" to 30 mins into the program is very useful then.
So I still hope these can be addressed soon, but I also agree with not rushing an update.
Nigelf
The new update does stay in the watched series now, so that is fixed.
Totally agree with the jump to time and have made my feelings known on that one ;-)
She finds lots of information confusing and has trouble "filtering out" what she doesn't need, so a combination of text and pictures is very confusing for her. She has the same sort of trouble with websites.
Really is about time we heard of the return of the lists. At least, as an option.
Try some other settings.
This really isn't rocket science.
They later arrested three pilchards, the Eiffel Tower, and the back-end of a horse :-)
Can't hide channels I have zero interest in. Now I have on my EPG place holders , for each ohannel, saying they've moved.I seriously don't care. Yes I know this functionality is 'testing'.
Cant pair the Youview app to the box. I received an invite from Talk Talk to go to Youview to test out the new Talk Talk app. I infidelity cant make it, but have to decline anyway as there is no way the box can be paired to tne app anyway. Completely useless update as far as I am concerned, with no recognition of this problem.
Huge amount of screen 'real estate' taken up with nothing other than blank space when accessing MyTV.
Plus a host of other niggles that make this software absolutely appalling.
Thank goodness I have my Humax freesat box, because whom ever is responsible for signing off this software 'downdate' should have wordscwith themselves.
I'm unfollowing this thread now.
Which needs the new App that you can't run on the old iPhone..
And spending £500, either straight off or bit by bit in a new contract, seems a bit disproportionate to support an App for a £150 box....
So "there's a hole in my bucket, dear YouView, dear YouView..."
Best only to whisper that my superannuated Moto G Generation 1 (because it runs on the A-word. OS) is running the latestvYouView app and still pairing like a good 'un.
Under £50'at CeX, some of these.