New Freeview Play box

jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭
edited 2 October 2017, 7:59AM in Discussion
Humax have released a new Freeview Play box, the FVP-5000T .
https://uk.humaxdigital.com/product/fvp-5000t/

It does seem to me that anyone looking for a box who doesn't do a great deal of research would quickly be persuaded to choose this rather than YouView just on the basis that it can record 4 programmes whilst watching a 5th.
(Unless they want Ultra HD.)
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  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭
    edited 28 September 2017, 11:36AM
    Interesting. I'm not sure how that works with just 3 tuners?

    Personally I like the look of the Live TV app which apparently lets you stream both live TV and recordings from the box to your smart device. Nice.
  • momistmomist Member Posts: 139
    edited 28 September 2017, 12:04PM
    Very interesting to me too.  My YV box crashed once again yesterday and I have missed a few recordings over the last two weeks due to lack of use (I have visitors).  With the old YV becoming more unreliable, I'll be considering this or similar as a replacement, maybe as a Christmas present to myself?
  • WayneWayne Member Posts: 82 ✭✭
    edited 28 September 2017, 12:48PM
    Recording 4 seems to be limited to the programmes being spread across a max of 3 multiplexes.


    Still, it's better than YouView in that respect.


    It's a shame YouView can't offer record 3 accross a max of 2 muxes.

    Edit:
    I see that the recording options are the same as the previous FVP-4000T box.
  • pk9pk9 Member Posts: 19 ✭
    edited 28 September 2017, 6:05PM
    Can anyone suggest why a customer would choose MeView over said Humax box if they have no interested in ISP subscription content?
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭
    edited 28 September 2017, 6:10PM
    Hi pk9, I have never heard of MeView or Himachal, but a lot of customers choose BT and TalkTalk because they provide a cheap/free box. Like Sky, who I have heard of. But I guess the premise of this topic is for those who choose to buy retail? If you have no interest in paid content then most modern TVs provide all you need. Other than PVR facilities of course. Gosh, it's more complicated than you might think, innit?
  • pk9pk9 Member Posts: 19 ✭
    edited 28 September 2017, 6:52PM
    Yep choice is good. *Corrected to say Humax - auto suggestion went for Himachal. Does Talk talk still use Indian centers? I put anything before 'view' to denote YV box.
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭
    edited 28 September 2017, 6:58PM
    Um, TalkTalk use various call centres - centers is the American spelling - as do many other providers, I feel we may be straying from the subject under discussion here?
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭
    edited 28 September 2017, 7:35PM
    Interesting to compare the remote controls (FVP-4000T & FVP-5000T)
    image
    A few more buttons including one that goes straight to recordings (there's a novelty).
    But still no "i" button which I find astonishing.
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭
    edited 28 September 2017, 7:42PM
    Interesting use of the word "interesting."  ;)
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 28 September 2017, 10:52PM
    Now, Now, jimb. :-) Don't mention the lack of an 'info button', as you'll give a certain administrator on the My Humax Forum a heart attack with such Heresy. And said always responds with 'You just press the info button.' But apparently I'm not allowed to comment on anything FVP. So lets see what the Humax troops on the ground think -
    https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/fvp-5000t-im-well-annoyed
    https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/new-fvp-5000t-1
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭
    edited 29 September 2017, 2:31PM
    Visionman said:

    Now, Now, jimb. :-) Don't mention the lack of an 'info button', as you'll give a certain administrator on the My Humax Forum a heart attack with such Heresy. And said always responds with 'You just press the info button.' But apparently I'm not allowed to comment on anything FVP. So lets see what the Humax troops on the ground think -
    https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/fvp-5000t-im-well-annoyed
    https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/new-fvp-5000t-1

    "Recordings - can now be viewed as Grid (tiles - as per 4000T) or a List."
    I hope YouView will take note of that.
  • David8David8 Member Posts: 655 ✭✭
    edited 28 September 2017, 10:06PM
    Visionman said:

    Now, Now, jimb. :-) Don't mention the lack of an 'info button', as you'll give a certain administrator on the My Humax Forum a heart attack with such Heresy. And said always responds with 'You just press the info button.' But apparently I'm not allowed to comment on anything FVP. So lets see what the Humax troops on the ground think -
    https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/fvp-5000t-im-well-annoyed
    https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/new-fvp-5000t-1

    YouTube , Record 4 watch a 5th , live TV and recordings streamed to smart devices , 2TB version.

    Does Youview currently offer any of this ?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 ✭
    edited 28 September 2017, 10:45PM
    This is a youview forum but yes i agree the freeview play does look great, but on the TV today do we really need to record 4 things very often hard to find 1 program.  Since Youview upgraded to Next Gen they were not ready for the upgrade as they took away many features 1) Discovery mode 2) Mini TV 3) Ability to hide channels,  4) in 5 years we have had just one APP American style weather APP,  I can just stick my head out the window for a weather forecast lol come on YouView must do better.
  • zulu17zulu17 Member, Super User Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭
    edited 28 September 2017, 10:46PM
    Visionman said:

    Now, Now, jimb. :-) Don't mention the lack of an 'info button', as you'll give a certain administrator on the My Humax Forum a heart attack with such Heresy. And said always responds with 'You just press the info button.' But apparently I'm not allowed to comment on anything FVP. So lets see what the Humax troops on the ground think -
    https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/fvp-5000t-im-well-annoyed
    https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/new-fvp-5000t-1

    Humax had a 2 TB version of their T1010 Youview box on retail sale. I believe in 2014.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 28 September 2017, 10:52PM
    Visionman said:

    Now, Now, jimb. :-) Don't mention the lack of an 'info button', as you'll give a certain administrator on the My Humax Forum a heart attack with such Heresy. And said always responds with 'You just press the info button.' But apparently I'm not allowed to comment on anything FVP. So lets see what the Humax troops on the ground think -
    https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/fvp-5000t-im-well-annoyed
    https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/new-fvp-5000t-1

    Correction -
    Now, Now, jimb. :-) Don't mention the lack of an 'info button', as you'll give a certain administrator on the My Humax Forum a heart attack with such Heresy. And said always responds with 'You just press the OK button.' But apparently I'm not allowed to comment on anything FVP. So lets see what the Humax troops on the ground think -
    https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/fvp-5000t-im-well-annoyed
    https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/new-fvp-5000t-1
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 30 September 2017, 9:18AM
    David -
    "YouTube , Record 4 watch a 5th , live TV and recordings streamed to smart devices , 2TB version.
    Does Youview currently offer any of this ?"
    You pays your money, you makes your choice.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 28 September 2017, 11:44PM
    The only question I have is will the Humax 4000T, which was only introduced in 2015, still continue to be supported my Humax and receive updates? As there hasn't as yet been a public announcement on it, as per -
    "Nothing has yet been confirmed in terms of a possible software upgrade to the FVP 4000T, if and when that changes I’ll update you all soonest."
    https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/fvp-5000t-im-well-annoyed/page/2#post-60888

    With the original and first ever FVP, the Freeview Play 4000T only being 2 years old I personally can't see it.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • DaveGrohlDaveGrohl Member Posts: 81 ✭
    edited 29 September 2017, 8:27PM
    VM, how does a punter get info then on this box if there's no info button? You obv have the answer even if it's not possible. Please forgive my lack of knowledge on this new product and Humax branded boxes in general (also I can't be bothered to do research when you clearly have the "info" anyway). My loathing of NextGen screwing my box up continues apace so I'm still on the hunt for a basic box that pauses live tv and provides simple recording function without all the other spangly stuff. The 28.26 update on my BT box destroyed the pause functionality to refresh your memory.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 29 September 2017, 4:09PM
    DaveGrohl said:

    VM, how does a punter get info then on this box if there's no info button? You obv have the answer even if it's not possible. Please forgive my lack of knowledge on this new product and Humax branded boxes in general (also I can't be bothered to do research when you clearly have the "info" anyway). My loathing of NextGen screwing my box up continues apace so I'm still on the hunt for a basic box that pauses live tv and provides simple recording function without all the other spangly stuff. The 28.26 update on my BT box destroyed the pause functionality to refresh your memory.

    Hi Dave. The only info I've seen about this is a few posts on this forum -
    "Use the mini guide:
    For example.....
    Watch live TV e.g. BBC 1 HD

    Press Down Arrow (below OK button)
    Press Down Arrow again (On my screen I now have info about BBC 2 HD)
    Press Right Arrow (That then shows a list of programs for BBC 2 HD.

    Press OK (Brings up information about the current program on BBC 2 HD without changing to it)"
    https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/how-to-access-info-on-programme-currently-on-air
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • DaveGrohlDaveGrohl Member Posts: 81 ✭
    edited 29 September 2017, 8:57PM
    DaveGrohl said:

    VM, how does a punter get info then on this box if there's no info button? You obv have the answer even if it's not possible. Please forgive my lack of knowledge on this new product and Humax branded boxes in general (also I can't be bothered to do research when you clearly have the "info" anyway). My loathing of NextGen screwing my box up continues apace so I'm still on the hunt for a basic box that pauses live tv and provides simple recording function without all the other spangly stuff. The 28.26 update on my BT box destroyed the pause functionality to refresh your memory.

    Ok cheers. Sounds like a hell of a faff.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 30 September 2017, 2:42PM
    Just to give a general overview of the two (three?) boxes -
    FVP 4000Ts and the upcoming 5000T are heavily laden feature rich boxes such as -

    3 Tuners
    Manual tune 
    Manual Timer 
    Series Folders 
    WiFi - 802.11n Wi-Fi
    DLNA Server/Client 
    Multiroom support (additonal kit required)
    2 USB ports 
    Scart socket (4000T only)
    Series record
    Pause live TV
    Auto Delete
    Archive to USB - (when it works properly)
    No Scart connection on 5000T
    RF Loop thru'
    Netflix
    Youtube
    Search IP and guide for programmes. 
    Now and Next TV Guide
    Option of recordings Grid or Lists (with many preferring its Grid layout)

    Whereas much of the above was never YouViews goal. Simplicity, accessibility and speed and ease of use were always at the forefront of its development and still are. 
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 ✭
    edited 29 September 2017, 11:13PM
    But we lost discovery features and only one app in 5 years, not very fast in my books.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 ✭
    edited 29 September 2017, 10:56PM
    Visionman said:

    David -
    "YouTube , Record 4 watch a 5th , live TV and recordings streamed to smart devices , 2TB version.
    Does Youview currently offer any of this ?"
    You pays your money, you makes your choice.

    Youview has taken away great features like discovery mode, mini tv and hide channels mode. Why
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 29 September 2017, 11:13PM
    Samuel Wilkins said:

    But we lost discovery features and only one app in 5 years, not very fast in my books.

    In just a few short days time, your going to be toast with Vanilla syrup coating on top.
    You won't be missed.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,794 ✭✭✭
    edited 30 September 2017, 9:18AM
    Visionman said:

    David -
    "YouTube , Record 4 watch a 5th , live TV and recordings streamed to smart devices , 2TB version.
    Does Youview currently offer any of this ?"
    You pays your money, you makes your choice.

    You know perfectly well what the circumstances are.

    Stop trolling.
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  • DaveGrohlDaveGrohl Member Posts: 81 ✭
    edited 2 October 2017, 7:59AM
    It'd be interesting to see how quick the box is, my youview box is painfully slow since Nextgen arrived along with all the other issues I have. This Humax box only has to do a couple of things well and I'm outta here.
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭
    edited 30 September 2017, 10:50AM
    DaveGrohl said:

    It'd be interesting to see how quick the box is, my youview box is painfully slow since Nextgen arrived along with all the other issues I have. This Humax box only has to do a couple of things well and I'm outta here.

    Promise?
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭
    edited 30 September 2017, 2:13PM
    I know that customer reviews generally and those on Amazon in particular should be taken with a pinch of salt, but that pinch certainly provides food for thought on the existing 4000T model:

    http://tinyurl.com/y8bwjnhy
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭
    edited 30 September 2017, 2:17PM
    Visionman said:

    Just to give a general overview of the two (three?) boxes -
    FVP 4000Ts and the upcoming 5000T are heavily laden feature rich boxes such as -

    3 Tuners
    Manual tune 
    Manual Timer 
    Series Folders 
    WiFi - 802.11n Wi-Fi
    DLNA Server/Client 
    Multiroom support (additonal kit required)
    2 USB ports 
    Scart socket (4000T only)
    Series record
    Pause live TV
    Auto Delete
    Archive to USB - (when it works properly)
    No Scart connection on 5000T
    RF Loop thru'
    Netflix
    Youtube
    Search IP and guide for programmes. 
    Now and Next TV Guide
    Option of recordings Grid or Lists (with many preferring its Grid layout)

    Whereas much of the above was never YouViews goal. Simplicity, accessibility and speed and ease of use were always at the forefront of its development and still are. 

    Visionman.
    So why do you think that they have introduced a recordings list option with the new box?
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 30 September 2017, 2:21PM
    This is a very balanced opinion -
    "So, as of today would you guys buy a new fvp-4000t? Have recent firmware updates made this box viable? I'm deciding between a Humax YouView box and this one - I'm basically interested in recording TV and occasional catch-up. Not bothered about DLNA because I have that covered with other devices and I don't need anything other than the main four on-demand services (BBC, ITV, C4 and C5). I use an XBox One as a media hub for everything else."

    "Either might do the job. All the Youview boxes have just had a radical new user interface; I haven't used it much but it seems OK to me. Don't buy one of the DTR T1xxx series Youview boxes as they appear to have serious reliability issues; the DTR T2xxx boxes don't have the same level of complaint. The FVP-4000T is a marmite box; some people love it, some hate it. I think Humax have fixed the most serious bugs in the software but the most common complaint is about the users interface; I suggest you go into a retailer and play with the user interface and see if it seems workable to you."
    https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/comment/87167234/#Comment_87167234
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
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