BT Sport in HDR

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  • Stevef_fr8ysStevef_fr8ys Posts: 174Member ✭✭
    I can't recall the details, but the 2nd half was far better as they seemed to have swapped streams on YouTube to just HD (the first half had a different DOG display).
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,527Member ✭✭✭
    edited 2 June 2019, 6:03PM
    I'm not convinced. HDR10 is a propitiatory application that was designed for on demand video only. HLG was designed for live broadcasts. Or rather more specifically live sport.  
  • David8David8 Posts: 650Member ✭✭
    edited 2 June 2019, 9:04PM
    The BBC is not, however, the first to livestream sport in HDR.

    In March, BT claimed a "world first" when it streamed a Uefa Champions League game involving Juventus and Tottenham Hotspur in the HDR 10 format.

    That trial, however, was limited to a 1080p resolution image rather than 4K.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-43879649

  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,527Member ✭✭✭
    Yes HD can display High Definition Ratio as well. Trials of all kind have been going on for years. The Youtube stream last night was very poor to the point it was disappointing. And the game was even worse. Not that Liverpool fans care.  :p They won.
  • robotmanrobotman Posts: 148Member
    edited 2 June 2019, 10:17PM
    Visionman said:
    I'm not convinced. HDR10 is a propitiatory application that was designed for on demand video only. HLG was designed for live broadcasts. Or rather more specifically live sport.  
    It was 1080p HDR10 as posted up by BT https://community.bt.com/t5/BT-Sport-on-TV-Online-player-or/Free-HDR-viewing-for-the-UEFA-Champions-League-2019/td-p/1946155 Go to Format and select 1080p HDR 50Hz and elsewhere on the same post It should show a green tick next to the Your TV supports HDR10 video statement. Xbox One users were told to Select Allow HDR10. I would assume BT knew what they were doing even if some on here don't believe them?!?

    EDIT** some light reading for anyone interested in the different formats https://www.techradar.com/news/hybrid-log-gamma-what-you-need-to-know-about-hlg

    https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/137367-what-is-hdr-what-tvs-and-devices-support-hdr-and-what-hdr-content-can-i-watch
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  • robotmanrobotman Posts: 148Member
    David8 said:
    The BBC is not, however, the first to livestream sport in HDR.

    In March, BT claimed a "world first" when it streamed a Uefa Champions League game involving Juventus and Tottenham Hotspur in the HDR 10 format.

    That trial, however, was limited to a 1080p resolution image rather than 4K.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-43879649

    Last night's game was also 1080p HDR10 and not 4K HDR10 on the streaming services.
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  • robotmanrobotman Posts: 148Member
    Visionman said:
    Yes HD can display High Definition Ratio as well. Trials of all kind have been going on for years. The Youtube stream last night was very poor to the point it was disappointing. And the game was even worse. Not that Liverpool fans care.  :p They won.
    Am I missing something (and believe me I could be) or do you really mean High Dynamic Range?
    Last night's game was one of the worst I've watched all season although it looked superb on a BT 4K box which was one saving grace against the quality of the actual match  :)
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  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,527Member ✭✭✭
    No I mean ratio and yes it was bad. They'll learn from that.
  • robotmanrobotman Posts: 148Member
    Visionman said:
    No I mean ratio and yes it was bad. They'll learn from that.
    Told you I must have been missing something  :D What is High Definition Ratio as Google doesn't seem to know?  :(

    You'd like to think BT would learn from last night but then again last years final on Youtube also received the same complaints.
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  • stormystormy Posts: 1,025Member ✭✭
    Roy said:
    Visionman said:
    Your being a hypocrite and you know you are. You were fully briefed as to why T1000s can no longer get new features (old tech). But they do still remain supported. C'mon Roy.
    You will have to define for me what ‘supported’ means in this context.

    This is the thing which stops me buying another retail box on Youview, the retail ones are so old now (even the T2000) that investing in "old tech" seems like a backwards move when my old T1010 is still limping on (with the odd hard reset).

    I am in the market for a PVR still (I know a minority market now it seems when streaming is the thing, and yes we have both Netflix and Prime Video in our family, the PVR does get way much less use but it is still handy to record stuff).

    My next box should I go PVR will probably be a Manhattan (if their new "almost here" T3R can get subscription TV support, which is rumoured it might be a very capable box, the T3 already supports HDR).

    Youview as we all suspected long, long ago is dead in retail and has been for some time, which is a crying shame imo. But, they struggled to make a market for it, or one doesn't exist (which does seem at odds with what Manhattan are doing....)

  • Tim CTim C Posts: 438Member ✭✭
    My only contribution to this thread is that I watched it through my Xbox One S and saw some bits on BT Sport 2 HD on my T2100.
    I thought the HDR display was a slight improvement over the HD version on my T2100 but what did impress was the dramatic reduction in bandwidth for the HDR stream along with the slight quality improvement. HDR took less than a fifth of the bandwidth.
    The BBC's iPlayer beta tests of UHD/HDR I think were better than BT's HDR streaming but it's obviously a subjective opinion.
  • robotmanrobotman Posts: 148Member
    The BBC's iPlayer beta tests of UHD/HDR I think were better than BT's HDR streaming but it's obviously a subjective opinion
    @Tim C Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as they say. If what has been posted in the BT community is true then I'm looking forward to being an early adopter of a new BT HDR box if, and most likely when, it arrives  :) (link on the previous page).
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  • RoyRoy Posts: 15,240Member ✭✭✭
    robotman said:
    Visionman said:
    No I mean ratio and yes it was bad. They'll learn from that.
    Told you I must have been missing something  :D What is High Definition Ratio as Google doesn't seem to know?  :(

    You'd like to think BT would learn from last night but then again last years final on Youtube also received the same complaints.
    HDR, in the context of everything discussed in this thread so far, is High Dynamic Range.

    If this ‘High Definition Ratio’ is germane to the thread, then I am sure that @Visionman can point us to a web resource on it that will enlighten us both to what it is and its relevance to the discussion.
    This might at last be getting back to the YouView that I knew.  :|
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  • robotmanrobotman Posts: 148Member
    edited 3 June 2019, 9:10AM
    Roy said:
    robotman said:
    Visionman said:
    No I mean ratio and yes it was bad. They'll learn from that.
    Told you I must have been missing something  :D What is High Definition Ratio as Google doesn't seem to know?  :(

    You'd like to think BT would learn from last night but then again last years final on Youtube also received the same complaints.
    HDR, in the context of everything discussed in this thread so far, is High Dynamic Range.

    If this ‘High Definition Ratio’ is germane to the thread, then I am sure that @Visionman can point us to a web resource on it that will enlighten us both to what it is and its relevance to the discussion.
    As of course we all know  :)

    I'm looking forward to the link for this other 'HDR' from @Visionman. One is always keen to learn from those more knowledgeable than oneself  :D
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  • scottscott Posts: 2,002Member ✭✭✭
    Some not bad viewing figures

    All-English Champions League final gives BT Sport its highest-ever audience figures as 11.3m tune in
    This means BT Sport had more viewers during the game, which kicked off at 8pm, than BBC One and ITV1 combined.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7116787/All-English-Champions-League-final-gives-BT-Sport-highest-audience-figures-11-3m-tune-in.html
  • GoodbyeGoodbye Posts: 336Time out
    edited 7 June 2019, 9:20PM
    Brilliant...in a just lost the rights to the fa cup sort of way ...cbeebies enjoyed a far bigger audience then the fa cup final on BT. Point being if the same match was on the ISIS TV network it still would have beat the hapless terrestrial offerings.
  • robotmanrobotman Posts: 148Member
    Goodbye said:
    Brilliant...in a just lost the rights to the fa cup sort of way ...cbeebies enjoyed a far bigger audience then the fa cup final on BT. Point being if the same match was on the ISIS TV network it still would have beat the hapless terrestrial offerings.
    The BBC, as an FTA broadcaster, would have had the lion's share of the viewing audience for the Final on BBC1. I don't think anyone would expect BT to have large viewing numbers for the Final.
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  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,527Member ✭✭✭
    High Definition Ratio -
    The term assumes a widescreen aspect ratio of 16:9, implying a resolution of 2.1 megapixels. It is often marketed as full HD, to contrast 1080p with 720p resolution screens. HDR can also be applied to this.

    Hey, maybe its just me. And I'm leaving myself open on that one.
  • RoyRoy Posts: 15,240Member ✭✭✭
    edited 8 June 2019, 9:24PM
    Visionman said:
    High Definition Ratio -
    The term assumes a widescreen aspect ratio of 16:9, implying a resolution of 2.1 megapixels. It is often marketed as full HD, to contrast 1080p with 720p resolution screens. HDR can also be applied to this.

    Hey, maybe its just me. And I'm leaving myself open on that one.
    Nice try, @Visionman, but that’s just Google doing its best to find you a result that matches all three words, as here.

    If you go to the Wikipedia entry cited, you will find this is made up from a match on ’High Definition’, as two consecutive words, followed somewhat further on by ‘ratio’ as part of ‘a widescreen aspect ratio of 16:9’.

    So the three words appear nowhere on the web consecutively - except now, on the YouView Community, which Google will start shortly giving hits on, making the existence of this alternative expansion of HDR into a reality driven by a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    And wasn’t it a bit naughty of you not to use italics, perhaps, to indicate that your third sentence, ‘HDR can also be applied to this‘, was your own gloss on the matter, and not part of the original quotation?
    This might at last be getting back to the YouView that I knew.  :|
    Holding my breath....
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,527Member ✭✭✭
    I'll leave it there....
  • robotmanrobotman Posts: 148Member
    Visionman said:
    I'll leave it there....
    Maybe for the best  ;) A+ for effort though. Can't take that away from you  :)
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