TV Licence for OAPs

VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,536Member ✭✭✭
I've just recieved  an email from the BBC, as follows...

The future of television licences for over 75s
We are writing to you today to let you know about some important changes to TV licences for older people. First, we want to explain why these changes need to be made. Since 2000, all households with people over 75 have been entitled to a free TV licence. This has been paid for by the Government, but in 2015 they announced that they would stop paying for it. 

As a result, the current government scheme offering free TV licences for over 75s will come to an end next year. Instead, through an Act of Parliament, the Government gave the BBC the power to decide what happens next. Any new scheme would be decided on and funded, not by the Government, but by the BBC. 

This means we have had to make a really important and difficult decision. 

After June 2020, the cost of continuing with free licences for all over 75s would be £745 million a year and rising - which is around 20% of the BBC’s budget. That is a huge amount of money. Were we to meet these costs, it would in practice mean the closures of BBC Two, BBC Four, the BBC News Channel, the BBC Scotland Channel and Radio 5live – in addition to a number of local radio stations and other cuts and reductions. We know that audiences really value what we provide on TV, Radio and online – all of which are paid for by the licence fee. And these changes would profoundly damage the BBC’s ability to serve our audiences of all ages. On the other hand, we are fully aware that some older pensioners are in poverty and rely on their TV and the BBC for companionship. 

We didn’t want simply to abolish free licences for all older pensioners. We didn’t think that would be fair on those who would find it hardest to pay. Nor did we think it right to continue with a scheme that mirrored the Government’s, given the severe impact that would have on BBC services that are valued by everyone - old and young. We have therefore decided to introduce a new scheme. It is one that we believe represents the fairest possible outcome. 

From June 2020, anyone aged 75 or over who receives Pension Credit will also be entitled to a free TV licence funded by the BBC. This will help the poorest pensioners who will continue to enjoy a free TV licence. It’s important to stress that it is not the BBC who will make any judgements about poverty – that measure is set and controlled by Government. As well as being fairest for the poorest pensioners, this scheme is also the fairest for all licence fee payers as it means everyone will continue to receive the best programmes and services that the BBC can provide. 

This new scheme will cost the BBC around £250 million a year. This will mean we have to continue to find significant savings, but we are confident that we will be able to protect the funding for services the public tell us that they enjoy. 

We want to make claiming the free licence simple and straightforward. Individuals will simply need to demonstrate their receipt of Pension Credit in order to qualify. If you’re over 75 and currently get a free licence, you don’t need to do anything yet. You will carry on being able to get a free licence until June 2020. TV Licensing will be in touch before then to tell you what you need to do. If you want to find out about our decision in more detail you can read all our documents here. 

Thank you for taking the time to read this email. We have thought long and hard to arrive at the fairest possible decision for everyone. We are committed to ensuring we continue to give you a world-class BBC, not just today, but for tomorrow. 
Yours
Sir David Clementi, BBC Chairman
Tony Hall, Director General of the BBC

Comments

  • Stevef_fr8ysStevef_fr8ys Posts: 177Member ✭✭
    Not the BBC's fault. They were handed a poison chalice by George Osbourne who knew the government could not afford to continue to fund this and passed the cost to the BBC to be funded from the other licence payers. It was inevitable that the BBC couldn't fund it either and this was made clear by them at the time.

    Next will be the councils saying they can't afford the free bus passes, but that is off topic.
  • GoodbyeGoodbye Posts: 336Time out
    edited 10 June 2019, 11:54PM
    😡
  • Stevef_fr8ysStevef_fr8ys Posts: 177Member ✭✭
    Goodbye said:
    And this being posted on  the youview community is ??. 
    I presume one word. Terrestrial.
  • VisionmanVisionman Posts: 9,536Member ✭✭✭
    Not the BBC's fault. They were handed a poison chalice by George Osbourne who knew the government could not afford to continue to fund this and passed the cost to the BBC to be funded from the other licence payers. It was inevitable that the BBC couldn't fund it either and this was made clear by them at the time.

    Next will be the councils saying they can't afford the free bus passes, but that is off topic.
    I'm going to ignore Goodbyes comment as its totally irrelevant. 

    You may not know this Stevef but it was a swap deal. The BBC went to the Govt wanting to include the BBC iPlayer in the TV licence as they are getting 3 Billion hits a year (so makes sense). The Govt said yes so long as they stop funding the licence fee for OAPs. The BBC said yes. The recommendation breezed through the House of Lords within a day and was then passed by Parliament at its first bill debate, fast-tracked.
  • RoyRoy Posts: 15,249Member ✭✭✭
    Marie and I saw this on the one o’clock news, while we were eating lunch.

    We were shocked, just shocked.

    The caviar on our blinis turned to ashes in our mouths at the prospect.
    This might at last be getting back to the YouView that I knew.  :|
    Holding my breath....
  • GoodbyeGoodbye Posts: 336Time out
    edited 11 June 2019, 12:26PM
    OAP is pretty patronising in 2019
    (or anytime really)....
     Vision person there is a train of thought that those who can pay should..
    you know the rest. Also bit cynical of the beeb crying now just as the Tory dupfuls promise the earth to get elected 
  • DarrenDarren Posts: 291Member ✭✭
    I don't mind paying for the BBC but dad who is now in his mid 80s has not been keeping well at times over the last 18 months and  9 months ago was diagnosed as having the symptoms of the early stages of dementia. He's also partly deaf and has been using reading glasses for a good few years now.
    Dont see why the likes of him should now have to start paying for the TV licence.
    Dad likes watching the TV and now only gets out twice a week to the local day club that's for the over 60s.
    Depending on what TV as well as broadband package you are on. It can work out costing you more per year then paying for the TV licence.

    Darren
  • RoyRoy Posts: 15,249Member ✭✭✭
    Goodbye said:
    OAP is pretty patronising in 2019
    (or anytime really)....
     Vision person there is a train of thought that those who can pay should..
    you know the rest. Also bit cynical of the beeb crying now just as the Tory dupfuls promise the earth to get elected 
    And also inaccurate; being an OAP starts at 66 now, with nine years to wait for free TV licences.

    As for being patronising, or pejorative, or whatever such expressions are for various groups of people, we keep having to replace what were once objective descriptions and/or regular usage with new more neutral terms; but we will keep having to do that until the underlying judgement or differentiation ceases.

    And if you think about it, even Visionperson isn’t gender neutral; what about all the Visionperdaughters out there?  :p

    As for your train of thought, I tried to catch it, but it had been cancelled at the last moment and replaced by a temporary bus service....
    This might at last be getting back to the YouView that I knew.  :|
    Holding my breath....
  • Dan DanDan Dan Posts: 56Member
    nice one you old codger ;)
  • GoodbyeGoodbye Posts: 336Time out
    Uriah Heep anyone?
  • Stevef_fr8ysStevef_fr8ys Posts: 177Member ✭✭
    Goodbye said:
    Uriah Heep anyone?
    Great band. But everyone paid for licences during their heyday.
  • GoodbyeGoodbye Posts: 336Time out
    edited 12 June 2019, 7:59PM
    You can just envisage the titme...sorry the roymestergeneral lurking in his shed Googling uriah heap. One awaits your usual well rehearsed spontaneous reply 😊 but don't bother it's rhetorical. 
  • RoyRoy Posts: 15,249Member ✭✭✭
    edited 12 June 2019, 10:13PM
    Goodbye said:
    You can just envisage the titme...sorry the roymestergeneral lurking in his shed Googling uriah heap. One awaits your usual well rehearsed spontaneous reply 😊 but don't bother it's rhetorical. 
    What the Dickens - you think I would need to Google Uriah Heep (sic)?

    Surely the forerunners of Humble Pie?

    But I’m sorry if, as an obvious Rod Stewart fan, you don’t like my prepartee....
    This might at last be getting back to the YouView that I knew.  :|
    Holding my breath....
  • GoodbyeGoodbye Posts: 336Time out
    What part of rhetorical didn't you understand??
  • RoyRoy Posts: 15,249Member ✭✭✭
    edited 13 June 2019, 7:35AM
    Goodbye said:
    What part of rhetorical didn't you understand??
    The same bit as the part of ‘Goodbye’ you don’t seem to understand.
    This might at last be getting back to the YouView that I knew.  :|
    Holding my breath....
  • dreamtimedreamtime Posts: 205Member
    Roy said:
    Goodbye said:
    What part of rhetorical didn't you understand??
    The same bit as the part of ‘Goodbye’ you don’t seem to understand.
    Getting personal. Is that allowed?
  • robotmanrobotman Posts: 152Member
    dreamtime said:
    Roy said:
    Goodbye said:
    What part of rhetorical didn't you understand??
    The same bit as the part of ‘Goodbye’ you don’t seem to understand.
    Getting personal. Is that allowed?
    @Roy was just making a funny. Lighten up  :) Plus, I think you'll find the preceding comment aimed at Roy by @Goodbye was just a tad provocative.
    Dipping in and out. More out than in :D
  • jimbjimb Posts: 1,143Member ✭✭✭
    robotman said:
    dreamtime said:
    Roy said:
    Goodbye said:
    What part of rhetorical didn't you understand??
    The same bit as the part of ‘Goodbye’ you don’t seem to understand.
    Getting personal. Is that allowed?
    @Roy was just making a funny. Lighten up  :) Plus, I think you'll find the preceding comment aimed at Roy by @Goodbye was just a tad provocative.

     Yes, and "has been stated by Roy many times before ad nauseam" from @dreamtime elsewhere strikes me as "Getting personal". 
  • dreamtimedreamtime Posts: 205Member
    jimb said:
    robotman said:
    dreamtime said:
    Roy said:
    Goodbye said:
    What part of rhetorical didn't you understand??
    The same bit as the part of ‘Goodbye’ you don’t seem to understand.
    Getting personal. Is that allowed?
    @Roy was just making a funny. Lighten up  :) Plus, I think you'll find the preceding comment aimed at Roy by @Goodbye was just a tad provocative.

     Yes, and "has been stated by Roy many times before ad nauseam" from @dreamtime elsewhere strikes me as "Getting personal". 
    Just trying to help. Save Roy having to bother so many times. I would think he must have other things to do.
  • RoyRoy Posts: 15,249Member ✭✭✭
    edited 13 June 2019, 2:18PM
    dreamtime said:
    jimb said:
    robotman said:
    dreamtime said:
    Roy said:
    Goodbye said:
    What part of rhetorical didn't you understand??
    The same bit as the part of ‘Goodbye’ you don’t seem to understand.
    Getting personal. Is that allowed?
    @Roy was just making a funny. Lighten up  :) Plus, I think you'll find the preceding comment aimed at Roy by @Goodbye was just a tad provocative.

     Yes, and "has been stated by Roy many times before ad nauseam" from @dreamtime elsewhere strikes me as "Getting personal". 
    Just trying to help. Save Roy having to bother so many times. I would think he must have other things to do.
    What, like exhibiting real helpfulness?

    (In case you need assistance grasping the concept, here’s a Wikipedia link that I am helpfully providing for you).
    This might at last be getting back to the YouView that I knew.  :|
    Holding my breath....
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