Powerline adapter

GoodbyeGoodbye Time out Posts: 336 ✭
edited 2 October 2019, 11:06PM in Discussion
Purely out of curiosity 



Has anyone........


 Ever had a fault free experience using a youview box with these?


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  • Tim CTim C Member, Super User Posts: 622 ✭✭
    They've worked fine for me, used TP-Link ones.
  • Stevef_fr8ysStevef_fr8ys Member, Super User Posts: 762 ✭✭
    edited 3 October 2019, 8:40AM
    Yes.
    Also use Tp-Link.
  • robotmanrobotman Member Posts: 201 ✭
    I'm pleased to say I've had a fault free experience, first with the T2100, and now the T4000 BT boxes. I also have 2 other devices connected at the same time. I insist on buying TP-Link equipment but that's purely down to my own stress free experience with them.
    It would be fair to add though there are others who don't have as much luck with PLAs for whatever reason. Everyones situation is different.
    "Flash, Flash, I love you, but we only have 14 hours to save the Earth"
  • WilfHWilfH Member Posts: 51 ✭
    I’ve used Aztech ones and this wasn’t a good experience because multicast packets kept being missed. My belief is that this is vey much down to distance between units and whether your mains wiring is electrical noise free. This is less likely to be the case in older properties. 

    Worth saying that I’m still
    using the PLAs but only to feed other kit which is relying only on TCP rather than IGMP. This has proved completely reliable though I do see the indicators on the unit change from time to time to indicate the quality of the signal is changing. The built in resilience of TCP can handle some packet loss whereas IGMP requires 100% throughput. 

    I ended up hardwiring my T4000 to the router. 

    Wilf
  • GoodbyeGoodbye Time out Posts: 336 ✭
    Always used BT PLAs.

    Re Tp-link.

    Noticed they make a wifi extender with a ethernet port. 

    Gets mixed reviews but not to try is not to know. 
  • gemmacgemmac Member Posts: 5 ✭
    Watching live broadcasts using PLAs tend to be less reliable for me. Catchup services are generally fine only with the odd buffering incident. My internet connection is fast enough so I put it down to the old wiring.
  • WilfHWilfH Member Posts: 51 ✭
    Goodbye said:
    Purely out of curiosity 



    Has anyone........


     Ever had a fault free experience using a youview box with these?


    Might be worth pointing out here that anyone using a retail YV box with PLAs should be completely trouble free. Only boxes supplied by BT and TalkTallk which have IGMP subscription channels are likely to experience difficulties. 

    Wilf
  • robotmanrobotman Member Posts: 201 ✭
    WilfH said:
    Goodbye said:
    Purely out of curiosity 



    Has anyone........


     Ever had a fault free experience using a youview box with these?


    Might be worth pointing out here that anyone using a retail YV box with PLAs should be completely trouble free. Only boxes supplied by BT and TalkTallk which have IGMP subscription channels are likely to experience difficulties. 

    Wilf
    Thankfully I have had zero issues with TP-Link PLAs and BT subscription boxes, so far at least.
    "Flash, Flash, I love you, but we only have 14 hours to save the Earth"
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 4 October 2019, 1:06AM
    WilfH said:
    Goodbye said:
    Purely out of curiosity 



    Has anyone........


     Ever had a fault free experience using a youview box with these?


    Might be worth pointing out here that anyone using a retail YV box with PLAs should be completely trouble free. Only boxes supplied by BT and TalkTallk which have IGMP subscription channels are likely to experience difficulties. 
    Wilf

     That is NOT true and millions enjoy the benefit of. Please state your proof that is not so.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • GoodbyeGoodbye Time out Posts: 336 ✭
    Forgive my ignorance but I don't understand whom

    "That is not true "

    Was directed at

    Mine was a question not a statement and the Wilf was pointing out they shouldn't be troublesome. 

    Either way neither was a sweeping statement worthy of a binary response. 
  • Tim CTim C Member, Super User Posts: 622 ✭✭
    I think it's fair to say that in general PLAs work fine for MOST users be they TV, Youview , Panasonic, Humax etc users for catchup services. It does all depend on the quality of the mains circuitry and what other devices might be plugged in as some devices might cause interference.
    The multicast transmission that some subscription services (not the likes of Netflix, Prime etc) use is more demanding , partly because there is no error checking and retransmission of errored data.
    The only way you know is to suck it and see.
    For me they work fine , although I'm hardwired now , but for my son in a 25 year old property they failed miserably.
  • WilfHWilfH Member Posts: 51 ✭
    Tim C said:
    I think it's fair to say that in general PLAs work fine for MOST users be they TV, Youview , Panasonic, Humax etc users for catchup services. It does all depend on the quality of the mains circuitry and what other devices might be plugged in as some devices might cause interference.
    The multicast transmission that some subscription services (not the likes of Netflix, Prime etc) use is more demanding , partly because there is no error checking and retransmission of errored data.
    The only way you know is to suck it and see.
    For me they work fine , although I'm hardwired now , but for my son in a 25 year old property they failed miserably.
    Thanks Tim. Your comments are spot on. All I would clarify here is that the only subscription services I’m currently aware of that rely on IGMP are actually the extra channels which BT and TAlkTalk supply via the YouView platform. For that reason YV users with retail boxes without such services are unlikely to have problems with PLAs. 

    Wilf
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    edited 4 October 2019, 7:05PM
    WilfH said:
    Thanks Tim. Your comments are spot on. All I would clarify here is that the only subscription services I’m currently aware of that rely on IGMP are actually the extra channels which BT and TAlkTalk supply via the YouView platform. For that reason YV users with retail boxes without such services are unlikely to have problems with PLAs. 
    Wilf

     Or the ones with.....
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭
    @Visionman took issue with the statement:
    "Only boxes supplied by BT and TalkTallk which have IGMP subscription channels are likely to experience difficulties."
    which is nonsense. 
    They *may* experience difficulties but they certainly are not *likely* to experience difficulties. 
     :/ 
  • John29John29 Member Posts: 46 ✭
    edited 8 October 2019, 2:25AM
    WilfH said:
    Might be worth pointing out here that anyone using a retail YV box with PLAs should be completely trouble free. Only boxes supplied by BT and TalkTallk which have IGMP subscription channels are likely to experience difficulties. 

    Wilf
    Nope.
    You get the same IGMP issues on the retail boxes.

    Not everyone uses the box supplied by the ISP to watch their Multicast channels.

    I'm amazed anyone who subscribes to Talktalk TV uses the Huawei boxes.
    I used a retail T2000 on Talktalk TV.
    The channels played much better but suffered the same IGMP issues with cheap incompatible Powerline Adapters.

    I prefer my newer BT T2100 over all the other boxes, though haven't tried the T4000.
  • WilfHWilfH Member Posts: 51 ✭
    John29 said:
    WilfH said:
    Might be worth pointing out here that anyone using a retail YV box with PLAs should be completely trouble free. Only boxes supplied by BT and TalkTallk which have IGMP subscription channels are likely to experience difficulties. 

    Wilf
    Nope.
    You get the same IGMP issues on the retail boxes.

    Not everyone uses the box supplied by the ISP to watch their Multicast channels.

    I'm amazed anyone who subscribes to Talktalk TV uses the Huawei boxes.
    I used a retail T2000 on Talktalk TV.
    The channels played much better but suffered the same IGMP issues with cheap incompatible Powerline Adapters.

    I prefer my newer BT T2100 over all the other boxes, though haven't tried the T4000.
    My mistake. I had wrongly assumed that people who subscribe to TT or BT would be using provided hardware as opposed to retail. 

    My point really was that anyone who aren’t using IGMP subscription services should find PLAs reliable. 
  • GoodbyeGoodbye Time out Posts: 336 ✭
    House wiring determines the reliability of pla's. If your house wiring isn't up to it then your scuppered. 
  • WilfHWilfH Member Posts: 51 ✭
    @goodbye is quite right.   Another factor is what’s actually connected to your mains supply.  Anything which can cause noise on the mains or spikes will potentially cause lost data packets and thereby cause drop-outs and pixelation of subscription channels. 
  • robotmanrobotman Member Posts: 201 ✭
    @WilfH
    I'm using an IGMP subscription service (BT) T4000 and before that a T2100 with ZERO issues.
    "Flash, Flash, I love you, but we only have 14 hours to save the Earth"
  • WilfHWilfH Member Posts: 51 ✭
    No one has ever suggested that this isn’t possible so I’m really not sure why feel the need to say it.  
  • robotmanrobotman Member Posts: 201 ✭
    edited 8 October 2019, 4:42PM
    So @WilfH You feel it's ok for you to state your opinion yet you don't want me to mention the reality of my actual experience. I hadn't realised you had rewritten the forum rules :D
    You said "My point really was that anyone who aren’t using IGMP subscription services should find PLAs reliable"
    I'm saying "My point really is that anyone using IGMP subscription services should find PLAs reliable". I'm just one proof of that, and I know everyone else in my social circle using the same technology under the same conditions can confirm the same.


    "Flash, Flash, I love you, but we only have 14 hours to save the Earth"
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    I'm the same @robotman, 13 years problem free using PLAs with IGMP subscription channels. 
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
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