new bt boxs

Ken Hill1Ken Hill1 Member Posts: 261 ✭✭
edited 11 November 2020, 12:13PM in Discussion
i was on the bt forum and i was this post on the new bt box with wifi as aynone  know about this new box bt boxs ?-plan-to-launch-a-new-wifi-equipped-tv-box. i did here  rumours about new box about year go i but it all went quiet and this the first time i come across the new about is  new bt boxs for sometime now anyone read this on the bt froum too.
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/11/bt-uk-hints-at-plan-to-launch-a-new-wifi-equipped-tv-box.html

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  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,791 ✭✭✭
    And not a sniff of the Y-word in any of it......
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  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    Wi-Fi? Mesh wi-fi apparently, which uses a series of modules, or nodes (BT use what are called discs), placed around your home for full Wi-Fi coverage. 4K as well. Allegedly.... 

    Nothing has been confirmed yet.
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  • westonewestone Member Posts: 40 ✭
    Y view will end up as legacy apparently
  • onceuponatimeonceuponatime Member Posts: 32 ✭
    Maybe the BBC's commitment to public service, in the form of open source, can join some dots on both BT and TalkTalk's plans...
    https://github.com/bbc/device-identification-data/tree/master/devices/youview
  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 1,106 ✭✭
    It's looking increasingly likely that the new BT and Talk Talks boxes in development don't include youview. 

    Deacon Blue hit from October 88
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    kodikid said:
    It's looking increasingly likely that the new BT and Talk Talks boxes in development don't include youview. 


    What Talk Talk box in development? Got any info? Or anyone else?
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  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,791 ✭✭✭
    edited 12 November 2020, 7:12PM
    Visionman said:
    kodikid said:
    It's looking increasingly likely that the new BT and Talk Talks boxes in development don't include youview. 


    What Talk Talk box in development? Got any info? Or anyone else?
    The UZW4054TTG

    https://community.youview.com/youview/discussion/7606252/new-box-for-talktalk

    posted ten days ago by the indefatigable @Jimb
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  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 1,106 ✭✭
    Just say for arguments sake that BT and TT both adopt the android freeview play platform. 
    What would the future hold for youview?
    Deacon Blue hit from October 88
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,791 ✭✭✭
    kodikid said:
    Just say for arguments sake that BT and TT both adopt the android freeview play platform. 
    What would the future hold for youview?
    Saving those two customers from having to replace about 3 million existing boxes with these two new ones, which will no doubt only be available at a premium price point.
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  • DarrenDarren Member, Super User Posts: 701 ✭✭
    edited 12 November 2020, 11:19PM
    It don't look good for Youview in the long term if both BT and Talk Talk are maybe develop new boxes and moving away from Youview.
    I do like Youview but when you look at Sky Q and the new Virgin box that's due out in the coming months. Youview is slowly falling behind.
    The BT app for remote recording as never been as good as the old Youview app was.
    Im thinking of maybe buying a BT Youview box of Amazon as a back up just incase one of my two Youview boxes starts to play up. As there will come a time that even the likes of Amazon will stop selling Youview boxes. For  I have had two old T1000 die on me 3 or 4 years ago.
    I will say the Humax BT Youview boxes have lasted longer than the Freeview pvrs that I used from 2004 to 2014.
  • onceuponatimeonceuponatime Member Posts: 32 ✭
    Ah, no-one read the link I left then.
    Even if you don't do code or understand the context, you just need to follow the link and scroll down a list of names.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,791 ✭✭✭
    edited 13 November 2020, 10:41AM
    onceuponatime said:
    Ah, no-one read the link I left then.
    Even if you don't do code or understand the context, you just need to follow the link and scroll down a list of names.
    Not ignored by me at least. 
    But yes, a bit elliptical for many here, and a few hints as to what we were looking at might have got it a wider audience.
    The last entry is the Technicolor UZW4054TTG for TalkTalk, and the one before that the much-delayed Sagemcom RTIW387, believed to be for BT.

    It’s interesting, perhaps, that both are described as YouView still.
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  • Peskdale61Peskdale61 Member Posts: 91 ✭
    edited 14 November 2020, 10:28PM
    More interestingly, the Sagemcom is still identifying as 'YouviewHTML' in the useragent string, whereas the Technicolor (which is known to be an Android based box) does not.

    The Wifi certification states that is runs a Linux-based OS, also lending support that it is still a Youview-based (if not branded) box.
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9uPmaKSrn7kJ:certifications.prod.wi-fi.org/pdf/certificate/public/download?cid=WFA97133+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

    Hardware-wise, I imagine the RTIW387 is very similar to the DIW387 that was recently launched by German telecom 1&1 for their IPTV service, albiet with terrestrial TV capabilities.
    https://www.androidtv-guide.com/pay-tv-provider/11-tv-box
    https://fccid.io/VW3DIW387/User-Manual/User-manual-4028588
    https://dsl.1und1.de/DetailsDigitalTV
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    I find it interesting theres no confirmed mention of a new Humax for YouView, BT or TalkTalk and instead Sagemcom and Technicolor are listed. I didn't even know Technicolor still made boxes as I've never seen one in the shops or online, where top recommends are concerned.
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  • DJHB1980DJHB1980 Member Posts: 168 ✭✭
    Visionman said:
    kodikid said:
    It's looking increasingly likely that the new BT and Talk Talks boxes in development don't include youview. 


    What Talk Talk box in development? Got any info? Or anyone else?
    There has been constant rumours of Vodafone talking over/Merging with TalkTalk, to bolster their Landline numbers and get into TV to rival the BT & Sky quad play offering. 
    Abroad they have Vodafone TV, maybe they think YouView is better or worryingly if they think it’s worse and they do acquire TalkTalk YouView could be left with BT only. 
  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 1,106 ✭✭
    Or abandon tv altogether. 
    It would take something really special to entice existing Sky/now subscribers and cord cutters to abandon their current set ups. 
    Deacon Blue hit from October 88
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,791 ✭✭✭
    edited 23 December 2020, 12:04AM
    kodikid said:
    Or abandon tv altogether. 
    It would take something really special to entice existing Sky/now subscribers and cord cutters to abandon their current set ups. 
    ‘Cord cutters’ is an American expression reflecting the paucity and inadequacy of broadcast TV there, and the ubiquity of cable, from which cord cutters escape onto the internet.

    So the only cord cutters you will find in the UK, if you differentiate Sky, are ex-Virgin TV subscribers.

    Interesting that you lump Sky and NowTV together, though; and also a mistake, as NowTV is on the cord cutters’ side of the equation.

    The BBC, by cleverly managing to get the BBC iPlayer into the licence fee arena, have secured their future as a broadcaster and largely thwarted cord cutting (or rather aerial chopping) as an escape route.

    But the ubiquitous Sticks have now largely thwarted the quad-play strategy; what price BT TV, when it is revealed to be nothing much more than a PVR on easy payment terms, plus a NowTV stick with a decent EPG, and recording, on that same PVR? Except for BT Sport, or course. Oh, and AMG.

    But nothing there to tempt anyone to buy up TalkTalk, surely? Unless they want a presence in cheap terrestrial broadband, where NowTV will out-cheap them. And to be another purveyor of Sky, in the form of NowTV.

    Clever Sky. Almost without us noticing it, NowTV has moved from a peripheral service, mopping up the scraps from those who would quite like Sky but didn’t want to pay for it, to an absolutely central and essential lynch-pin of quad-play. Everybody’s quad-play.

    All they have to do now is fund NowTV properly, in particular bringing the incredibly unsatisfactory customer service up to scratch, and they will once again rule the non-Freeview roost. 

    Oh sure, Netflix and Amazon Prime will still be competitors; but content will be king, and Sky will have the king content, or enough of it, anyway.
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  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    Any idea how many users Now TV has now, Roy? As at my last count, a couple of years ago it stood around the 1m mark. Which back then certainly put it in the small fry section.
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  • robotmanrobotman Member Posts: 201 ✭
    Visionman said:
    Any idea how many users Now TV has now, Roy? As at my last count, a couple of years ago it stood around the 1m mark. Which back then certainly put it in the small fry section.
    1.62m according to here TV streaming statistics in the UK 2020 | Finder UK

    Netflix is by far the most popular streaming service in the UK, with more than 13 million subscribers. Amazon Prime Video is not far behind after experiencing a bigger growth over the last two years, decreasing the difference between the two services. Amazon has had an average increase of subscribers of 28% per year, compared to Netflix’s 20% increase.

    Now TV hasn’t been as lucky. Any new subscribers during 2019 both came and left, leaving the service steady on 1.62 million subscribers. Of 2020’s newcomers, Disney+ started off strongly with its launch getting 4.3 million subscribers in the UK as of June 2020.

    6.7 million (24%) households are signed up to 2 services or more. The most common duo-subscription is Netflix and Amazon Prime, with 32% of people having both. 6.1% have Netflix, Amazon Prime and Now TV.

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  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,791 ✭✭✭
    @robotman

    Thanks.

    @Visionman

    So NowTV is about five times bigger fry than retail YouView? 😛

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  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 1,106 ✭✭
    Talking of retail 
    Just bought 8 legs of venison from a local farmer.
    Bargain price or do people think its two deer 
    🎅 MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone 🎅
    Deacon Blue hit from October 88
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,791 ✭✭✭
    edited 24 December 2020, 5:47PM
    kodikid said:
    Talking of retail 
    Just bought 8 legs of venison from a local farmer.
    Bargain price or do people think its two deer 
    🎅 MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone 🎅
    Our local farm shop has been out of stock for a while, but I got this feeling they might have had it back in, and went down there again. No announcement or anything; I just had a haunch....🦌
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  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 1,106 ✭✭
    Was going to buy a fawn,  put off by the price, it was a little deer.
    Deacon Blue hit from October 88
  • joneshjonesh Member, Super User Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭
    The sparrows were going cheap down at the market.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    Well I've picked my turkey, plucked it and stuffed it. Now all I have to do is kill it.
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  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,303 ✭✭✭
    I wish we had a funny on deer.
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