freeview and freesat merger together

Ken Hill1Ken Hill1 Member Posts: 250 ✭✭
i read today that there going to be a big shake with both companies

Huge TV Shakeup Announced With A Freesat And Freeview Merger

 https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/
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  • AshAsh Member Posts: 273 ✭✭
    I get the feeling this will be in the first instance largely to do with future IP TV channels and how they are going to be implemented. This is probably being proposed in order to try and make sure that all free to air receiving equipment across the UK has access to the same IPTV channels in future.

    But in order for a box to have access to both terrestrial and satellite channels. It would need both a terrestrial and satellite tuner
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,103 ✭✭✭
    edited 12 February 2021, 12:16PM
    Ash said:
    But in order for a box to have access to both terrestrial and satellite channels. It would need both a terrestrial and satellite tuner

    Thats actually not the purpose of this merger and no such dual platform box is being planned. Its a streamlining cost saving exercise, thats all. Which actually makes sense.
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  • JoeJoe Member, Super User Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭
    Well if anything it may make the possibility of a Youview box using the free satellite channels a bit more likely. Some folks just don’t have access to freeview tv from the aerial, and some like me don’t have the full channel list...but hey at some point it’ll probably all come down the internet anyway...but that may be a while off
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,103 ✭✭✭
    edited 12 February 2021, 12:52PM
    Joe said:
    Well if anything it may make the possibility of a Youview box using the free satellite channels a bit more likely. Some folks just don’t have access to freeview tv from the aerial, and some like me don’t have the full channel list...but hey at some point it’ll probably all come down the internet anyway...but that may be a while off

    I don't know when that will be but I ran a trial of PSB channels in HD over the internet some 10 years ago. So it is possible and it will eventually happen.
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  • Joe said:
    Well if anything it may make the possibility of a Youview box using the free satellite channels a bit more likely.
    No.
    Joe said:
    ...but hey at some point it’ll probably all come down the internet anyway...
    Yes.
  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 620 ✭✭
    edited 12 February 2021, 3:10PM
    No they won't all come down the Internet.
    A guy on another thread says he's off to Sky TV.
    That's great if you can afford it.
    Broadband is not free, the poorest in our society struggle to home school because of that.
    The whole essence of freeview is... well the clue is in the title.
    Ignore this if you disagree. 
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭
    kodikid said:
    No they won't all come down the Internet.
    A guy on another thread says he's off to Sky TV.
    That's great if you can afford it.
    Broadband is not free, the poorest in our society struggle to home school because of that.
    The whole essence of freeview is... well the clue is in the title.
    As long as you don’t watch any BBC channels.
    ‘For those who like that sort of thing, that is the sort of thing they like’
  • Ken Hill1Ken Hill1 Member Posts: 250 ✭✭
    Today there's talk about adding more HD channels to Freeview you and some channels will be be able to view you without a TV aerial and go through your broadband internet this is on EE BT and Plusnet been given the green light more Freeview channels will go this way without a TV Ariel this news comes today on one of the websites that I read it on I think it's the same website that I gave you when I first posted the merger of Freeview and Freesat .
  • JoeJoe Member, Super User Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭
    Ken Hill1 said:
    Today there's talk about adding more HD channels to Freeview you and some channels will be be able to view you without a TV aerial and go through your broadband internet this is on EE BT and Plusnet been given the green light more Freeview channels will go this way without a TV Ariel this news comes today on one of the websites that I read it on I think it's the same website that I gave you when I first posted the merger of Freeview and Freesat .
    Here’s the link:
    https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/freeview-approves-changes-may-alter-service/

    Looks like a change many predicated a while ago could be about to happen. 
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭
    All very interesting and good news I think.
    But may be a problem to implement with BBC1 which currently only provides regional news on SD channels.
    ("One condition to this implementation, at least for Public Service Broadcasters (like the BBC) is that both the SD and HD versions of the channel will be identical")
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,103 ✭✭✭
    Joe said:
    Looks like a change many predicated a while ago could be about to happen. 
    Is going to happen. :) The shift in viewing habits actually occurred years ago and has exponentially picked up pace year-on-year to the extent its now reached this - and continues to rise -
    https://advanced-television.com/2021/03/02/research-7-in-10-brits-prefer-streaming-to-broadcast-tv/

    And in a quirk of fate the BBC is to put BBC3 back onto linear broadcast television due to its internet success. Without realising its the fact they put it on the internet which was the driver for its success. Ho hum...
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  • DJHB1980DJHB1980 Member Posts: 163
    This is exactly what I have been calling for for years. 

    The FREE TV solution for all in 1 box with linear and on demand with inputs for Aerial & Satellite & Internet harmonised. 

    If YouView wanted to lead this it could have been brilliant. 

    A YouView
    owned jointly by BBC, ITV, Ch4 & Ch5
    licensed to BT & TalkTalk.

    I doubt it will work that way now. 
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭
    Visionman said:

    ...And in a quirk of fate the BBC is to put BBC3 back onto linear broadcast television due to its internet success. Without realising its the fact they put it on the internet which was the driver for its success. Ho hum...
    The problem with where you seem to be taking this is that you then need to explain how, exactly, having it as a linear channel again is going to put people off it.

    As the methods, and the ease or otherwise, of consuming it via the internet aren’t going to change at all, but there will be, once again, the methods and ease of linear, which can surely serve only to increase its consumption.

    It’s certainly true that putting any other channel on the internet only would have decimated its audience, and that BBC3’s target audience was a particularly internet-savvy bunch; but BBC3’s success is down to its programming, as they have hit the target not just of the 25-34 age group they were aiming for, but of consumers outside that age group, when the really successful BBC3 programmes - Killing Eve, Normal People, Fleabag - were shown on the other linear BBC channels, attracting an audience who might never have watched them on the internet-only BBC3.

    But might well watch, in future, such programmes on linear BBC3.

    And what do those three programmes, particularly, have in common? They are very Netflix-y; you could imagine any or all of them being delivered by Netflix rather than the BBC. Which isn’t true of much of the BBC’s output; and it’s that which BBC3 has got its finger on the pulse of.
    ‘For those who like that sort of thing, that is the sort of thing they like’
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,185 ✭✭✭
    They are clearing the airwaves for more lucrative mobile channels, can't have them clogged up with council telly now, can we?
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,103 ✭✭✭
    @redchiz - council telly?
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  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,103 ✭✭✭
    "The problem with where you seem to be taking this is that you then need to explain how, exactly, having it as a linear channel again is going to put people off it."

    @Roy - Not put people off per-se, but I believe the majority of viewers will still use the internet to access the channel, therefore putting it back on terrestrial is a very expensive thing to do (a waste of resource, perhaps?). That is just a personal opinion, though.
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  • John LJohn L Member, Super User Posts: 798 ✭✭
    edited 4 March 2021, 4:31PM
    Reading this I wonder if the TV broadcasters fully appreciate each consumer's broadband quality of service. It doesn't happen very often, but occasionally we have had no internet due to Plusnet "doing maintenance". Broadband has been down for a couple of hours. I suppose you could go & read a book, make a cup of tea while you wait for "service to be resumed"? You will always need a PVR to record and also live tv to watch.

    From my own usage, I would rather watch ITV programmes via recordings, than having to sit through adverts/occasional buffering/bugs in ITV Hub. The technology is getting better, but wonder what the TV Broadcasters are designing for the future? Hopefully the technology will also get cheaper so everyone can afford to keep up to date and not left behind. I too watch Freesat/Freeview/Youview and wonder what is round the next corner. As long as they improve the channel reception when they introduce the changes. I wonder if they will design a EPG menu that is universal across all the different boxes? Not sure how they would achieve this, unless they want us to purchase new boxes again?  John L
    Can't wait for the day when Youview get rid of the dreaded darkened banner when using fast forward/rewind recordings. 
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,185 ✭✭✭
    @John L If any government and/or broadcaster abandons OTA broadcasting whilst the broadband infrastructure in this country remains the steaming pile of doo-doo that it is they will deserve everything they get. But, in the wise words of Manuel: "Eventually."
  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 620 ✭✭
    Visionman said:
    Joe said:
    Looks like a change many predicated a while ago could be about to happen. 
    Is going to happen. :) The shift in viewing habits actually occurred years ago and has exponentially picked up pace year-on-year to the extent its now reached this - and continues to rise -
    https://advanced-television.com/2021/03/02/research-7-in-10-brits-prefer-streaming-to-broadcast-tv/

    And in a quirk of fate the BBC is to put BBC3 back onto linear broadcast television due to its internet success. Without realising its the fact they put it on the internet which was the driver for its success. Ho hum...
    I've got a feeling that once bbc 3 is back on terrestrial they will slowly wind down bbc 4 and then merge both back into bbc choice. 
    Ignore this if you disagree. 
  • John LJohn L Member, Super User Posts: 798 ✭✭
    kodikid said:
    I've got a feeling that once bbc 3 is back on terrestrial they will slowly wind down bbc 4 and then merge both back into bbc choice. 
    I think if this does happen the BBC will have to change the channel name from "choice" to something else. Because it won't be a choice to the viewer. John L
    Can't wait for the day when Youview get rid of the dreaded darkened banner when using fast forward/rewind recordings. 
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,103 ✭✭✭
    edited 4 March 2021, 7:36PM
    kodikid said:
    I've got a feeling that once bbc 3 is back on terrestrial they will slowly wind down bbc 4 and then merge both back into bbc choice. 

     nmmmmm. Maybe. Maybe not.
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  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭
    Visionman said:
    Wkodikid said:
    I've got a feeling that once bbc 3 is back on terrestrial they will slowly wind down bbc 4 and then merge both back into bbc choice. 

     nmmmmm. Maybe. Maybe not.
    Wow. You’ve pretty much got all the bases covered there, @Visionman 😛
    ‘For those who like that sort of thing, that is the sort of thing they like’
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,103 ✭✭✭
    edited 5 March 2021, 11:53PM
    TV is going to move to the internet where over 95.1% of users can get 10Mbps or more. 

    6 is required for HD. Yep its true. Internet TV coverage covers more than both Freeview and Freesat and thats a fact. SD at is 98.1% which bombs both the others coverage. HD availability is around 80%.
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  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 620 ✭✭
    Do you have any figures for the availability of 4k?
    Ignore this if you disagree. 
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,103 ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2021, 11:23AM
    Internet subscription only plus the BBC iPlayer. Have you seen Life in Color in 4K?
    Its stunning.  
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  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 620 ✭✭
    I wish
    Have 4k Sony tv and T4000 plus roku + but (and it's next level but) can only get ADSL broadband. Only Virgin do fibre in our area.
    Just don't think our current broadband is fast enough. ☹
    Ignore this if you disagree. 
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,103 ✭✭✭
    edited 6 March 2021, 11:54AM
    4K will only be internet only as Digital UK is selling off terrestrial spectrum to telephone companies and earning billions from it. It's no big deal as the UK is now fibred up to the eyeballs and so can now easily cope with TV broadcasts.
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  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,103 ✭✭✭
    kodikid said:
    I wish
    Have 4k Sony tv and T4000 plus roku + but (and it's next level but) can only get ADSL broadband. Only Virgin do fibre in our area.
    Just don't think our current broadband is fast enough. ☹

    Visionman said:
    4K will only be internet only as Digital UK is selling off terrestrial spectrum to telephone companies and earning billions from it. It's no big deal as the UK is now fibred up to the eyeballs and so can now easily cope with TV broadcasts.

    Thats a real ****. Your in a very small minority of users who can't get decent speeds. Do you live in the Scottish highlands?
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  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,103 ✭✭✭
    mmmmmm
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  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 620 ✭✭
    Openreach must think that because we have access to full fast fibre (virgin) then we're not a priority. 
    Have been tempted in the past to try Virgin but their reputation is hardly glowing. 
    Ignore this if you disagree. 
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