7 channels to be sold off on Freeview

Ken Hill1Ken Hill1 Member Posts: 261 ✭✭
All Sony channels to be sold off plus a few more Freeview channels like pop no more on the 25th of May
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  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 1,017 ✭✭
    edited 15 May 2021, 11:29PM
    No more is not strictly accurate..Sony channels will be renamed "Great" from the 25th May.
    Pop will retain its name due to its popularity with the kids. 
    Sony Christmas 🎄 is the Uk's most watched festive channel so that also will stay, albeit with a new name.
    For the moment content remains the same.
    No current Sony or pop channels will close.
    Oh wait
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,456 ✭✭✭
    Either of you want to give a citation to back up your opposing views?

    We have no idea what you read or where you read it 😢
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • barnpiecebarnpiece Member Posts: 8
    edited 16 May 2021, 9:17AM
  • DarrenDarren Member, Super User Posts: 635 ✭✭
    I would like Sony Channel too move off the local mux to one of the other muxs. As I get a very poor signal from the Edinburgh local mux that makes it unwatchable.
    Hopefully Sony Movies will improve a little after the takeover. For I hate when a movie is stopped for 1 or 2 mins of entertainment news.
  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 1,017 ✭✭
    Could not agree more, plus it's a bugger if you're recording said movie 
    Oh wait
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭
    edited 16 May 2021, 2:38PM
    Content wise, Sony's channels are very good quality. Picture wise, they are not. They need to go HD.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • Ken Hill1Ken Hill1 Member Posts: 261 ✭✭
    We need a lot more  hd channels
  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 1,017 ✭✭
    No.....we need to start thinking 4k
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  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 1,017 ✭✭
    edited 16 May 2021, 5:37PM
    😎
    Sorry duplicate post
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  • DarrenDarren Member, Super User Posts: 635 ✭✭
    edited 16 May 2021, 8:55PM
    I dont fully agree @kodikid. I do however agree with @Ken Hill1 that a few more HD versions of channels is needed or even if more shows was shown in upscaled HD that would be good.
    Yes 4k dose look good but more HD versions of channels is what is needed for a start.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭
    edited 16 May 2021, 8:58PM
    kodikid said:
    No.....we need to start thinking 4k

    Over broadcast spectrum or the internet?
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • Ken Hill1Ken Hill1 Member Posts: 261 ✭✭
    Before you get 4K channels you need the right internet speed to get a lot of 4K channels up and running are still got problems with my 4K sports channel and they and BT still telling me that I'm still on the fastest broadband going .
  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 1,017 ✭✭
    Just can't believe that in 2021 when every new tv set is 4k we still hanker over HD.
    Re Visionman 
    The former. 
    Oh wait
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,456 ✭✭✭
    @kodikid

    There are only two problems with broadcast 4K.

    Firstly, there isn’t the bandwidth to send it.

    Secondly, there isn’t any equipment to receive it.
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • alal Member, Super User Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭
    edited 18 May 2021, 10:14AM
    I don't really agree with either of those.
    There is equipment to receive 4k transmissions over satellite and terrestrial.
    It's not being broadcast because every step in the chain from studio to transmitter needs to be updated to 4k. It's barely being moved to HD as there's just not enough interest. Most people aren't buying 4k TVs because they want 4k, they buy them because that's all there is.
    There would be enough bandwidth for 4k if the duplicate SD channels were removed and the coding updated but that means many people with old equipment will no longer be able to receive the channels (along with their adverts) and if they aren't willing to update their equipment for HD, what's the point going 4k?
    Finally as there's no 4k transmissions, there is no incentive to put 4k decoders in all TVs.

    Edit: On second thoughts, it looks like @Roy is talking about IP. I thought, as he was responding to @kodikid's post, that he was referring to traditional tv.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭
    @al

    Don't you understand? Television transmissions are slowly being taken off the air and over time moved to the internet. Digital UK is selling off its UK TV spectrum to telephone companies for money, and we're talking a lot of money. But thats not a problem as the internet can cope with the transmissions for 97% of UK users.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • alal Member, Super User Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭
    Not sure who you inteded to @ there but it couldn't have been me.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭
    @al Why?
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭
    edited 17 May 2021, 7:25PM
    al said:
    Not sure who you inteded to @ there but it couldn't have been me.
     @al So sorry. You couldn't have answered it anyway. Aprobs!
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,456 ✭✭✭
    Visionman said:
    @al

    Don't you understand? Television transmissions are slowly being taken off the air and over time moved to the internet. Digital UK is selling off its UK TV spectrum to telephone companies for money, and we're talking a lot of money. But thats not a problem as the internet can cope with the transmissions for 97% of UK users.
    @Visionman

    Presumably, that 97% is as here:-

    https://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/8946-uk-finally-reaches-97-superfast-broadband-coverage-goal

    We spent three years ‘qualifying’ for this definition because we had a bit of fibre linking our local exchange to a cabinet at the other end of the village, from which a copper-only link reached our home. And yes, our 26 Mbps just about reached the older definition of superfast, 24+; but it was only available from BT, not from anybody else, and nothing that they or we could do would get this up nearer the 35Mbps BT said we could get, and which would have matched the newer definition of superfast, 30Mbps.

    Downloading a satnav update there would knock the BBC iPlayer for six; fortunately Garmin, who clearly have a grasp of the realities here, offer a slower download option.

    Mostly, though, that 24 sufficed for our needs as a couple; but how families  with three teenagers in the house are faring doesn’t bear thinking about. Switching on several TVs working OTA doesn’t divide your OTA bandwidth in any way; watching a Player on each one surely does.
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • alal Member, Super User Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭
    Visionman said:
    @al

    Don't you understand?
    I see now, I thought they were talking about freeview.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 17,456 ✭✭✭
    edited 18 May 2021, 12:36PM
    al said:
    Visionman said:
    @al

    Don't you understand?
    I see now, I thought they were talking about freeview.
    @al @Visionman

    When I said ‘broadcast’, I was talking about Freeview.

    When I - not queried exactly, but qualified - Visionman’s observation about 97% broadband coverage, I was talking about IP.

    When I said there wasn’t any domestic 4K receiving equipment, I also meant broadcast (OTA, Freeview) as you can see 4K demo channels on satellite (not Freesat though, I don’t think).

    http://www.astra2sat.com/ultra-hd/uhd-channels/

    I’m watching 4K on channels 213, 214, and 215 on my LG TV right now.

    Also in Spain, it’s worth pointing out that their HD comes over DVB-T just like SD does; we use DVB-T2 for improved compression, and therefore less bandwidth, but it’s not technically obligatory for HD. So maybe we could get 4K on DVB-T2?

    As regards end-to-end 4K, it’s worth observing that those of us with 4K TVs watch everything in 4K, due to our local upscaling; I see no technical reason why the upscaling can’t be applied earlier, maybe at the transmitter, as they apparently due in Sweden with SD materials shown on HD; and show the local SD news upscaled to HD instead of the bothersome red thing that tends to make us stay on SD all the time, out of sheer inertia.

    The same technique could be used for non-4K material on 4K channels, if there were to be any.
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭
    @Roy
    Thats actually very well thought out. Which makes one wonder why Digital UK doesn't do it.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • AshAsh Member Posts: 279 ✭✭
    Darren said:
    I dont fully agree @kodikid. I do however agree with @Ken Hill1 that a few more HD versions of channels is needed or even if more shows was shown in upscaled HD that would be good.
    Yes 4k dose look good but more HD versions of channels is what is needed for a start.
    Is everybody sitting down because the following article might shock you. Don't let the article title fool you. Read the whole article, but as I said, make sure you're sitting down because I don't think anybody would have expected this any time soon

    https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/now-tv-discontinues-own-streaming-devices/
  • scottscott Member, Super User Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭
    edited 18 May 2021, 9:26PM
    Ash said:
    Darren said:
    I dont fully agree @kodikid. I do however agree with @Ken Hill1 that a few more HD versions of channels is needed or even if more shows was shown in upscaled HD that would be good.
    Yes 4k dose look good but more HD versions of channels is what is needed for a start.
    Is everybody sitting down because the following article might shock you. Don't let the article title fool you. Read the whole article, but as I said, make sure you're sitting down because I don't think anybody would have expected this any time soon

    https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/now-tv-discontinues-own-streaming-devices/
    Interesting read thanks. Only problem with it is we know how long it took them from announcing the 1080p and surround sound boost to actually releasing it so I won’t be holding my breath for 4k and Atmos anytime soon :) (almost as long as BT take to release a new STB ;))
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭
    @Ash
    Its actually no biggie as their devices are in the same category as PVR's. ie they weren't a big seller in large numbers and so have been discontinued. Theres also speculation (more a rumor at this point) that Sky are going to go internet only eventually as its cheaper than than renting satellite capacity, which it is. 
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 1,017 ✭✭
    edited 18 May 2021, 10:02PM
    Following on from Visionmans point,
    If Sky did ditch the dish and now gets uhd why would anyone buy Sky?
    For a pvr....really doubt it.
    The more Sky broaden nows appeal the less attractive Sky becomes. 
    Oh wait
  • DarrenDarren Member, Super User Posts: 635 ✭✭
    @Ash
    Thanks for the link was a very good read.
    I can sort of see why they have discontinued the Now TV stick. As you can get the Now app on the Youview box, Fire TV and on smart TVs that come out in the last 2 or 3 years.
    Also although pvrs are still being sold they have been on a slow decline over the last 2 years even more so since the first lockdown last March.
    The likes of a pvr can still came in handy as 10%/12 of whats broadcast is still not on a catch up or on demand service.

  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 1,017 ✭✭
    As a owner of 2 T4000's I totally agree. 
    Would I subscribe monthly to get my hands on a pvr....no.
    Still struggling to understand why anyone would subscribe to BT tv when what it's offering (box and now pass) are readily available much cheaper elsewhere. 
    Oh wait
  • DarrenDarren Member, Super User Posts: 635 ✭✭
    edited 19 May 2021, 10:24AM
    kodikid said:
    As a owner of 2 T4000's I totally agree. 
    Would I subscribe monthly to get my hands on a pvr....no.
    Still struggling to understand why anyone would subscribe to BT tv when what it's offering (box and now pass) are readily available much cheaper elsewhere. 

    Im thinking when my BT TV contract is up come end of Feb next year canceling and getting the Now Big Entertainment with HD add on direct from Now.
    I have two Youview boxes a T2110 retail BT box. Other box I got from BT about 3 years ago. So both are mine too keep. 
    I would miss the Youview boxes if one of them ever decided to pack in.
    I do find as I have said before. That since getting the Amazon Fire Stick earlier in the year that im using that a little more than my Youview box for the apps. I do still at times record some shows using the Youview boxes.
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