Sky Glass

jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭
"The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss."
https://www.skygroup.sky/article/introducing-sky-glass-the-new-streaming-tv-from-sky
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  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,999 ✭✭✭
    Watch the video:-

    https://www.sky.com/sky-events?irct=homepage-glass-events

    I’m sure it’s been watched a few times already at YouView Towers.

    It looks like you can’t FF/REW on it, but actually there’s a scrubbing bar you can use.
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  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,170 ✭✭✭
    edited October 7
    It sounds ****. Why? Because it is.

    Introducing a Sky eco-system into a Television in an attempt to stop churn and re-take control of their users content is just madness and niche to say the least. I'm of the opinion, and I'm not the only one, that it/this will fail.

    SKY via the internet? Via a box or an app (such as NOW TV) yes! Absolutely!  But via a telly? NO. It ain't going to wash. Flippin' heck what a bonkers idea. Its ****.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 741 ✭✭
    It looks very good but boy it's aimed at a very niche market. 
    Can't be many in the market for a new tv and Sky at the same time.
    Mentioned in the video that people rent and change their phones so why not their tv...if they spoke to Sky mobile they would find that's no longer the case with the vast majority hanging on to their existing handset and going sim free. 
    Unusually think Comcast/Sky have misjudged the potential market on this one.
    Ignore this if you disagree. 
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭
    Anybody know who makes the panels?
  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 741 ✭✭
    Rumoured to be LG.
    Ignore this if you disagree. 
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭
    I'm quite impressed by the marketing. The one thing I find astonishing is the idea of dolby atmos from just the TV's speakers. Will people actually be fooled by this? 
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭
    I watched about 5 minutes of the video presentation which basically launched a new smart TV with Sky services available directly. Is there anything I missed in the remaining 53 minutes?
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭
    @jimb It has a built-in soundbar bolted on, which is why it looks a bit big and ugly. 
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭
    @redchiz I realise that but I just don't buy the idea that 3D surround sound can be achieved from one box.

    A WhatHifi article says:
    In realising that not everyone can afford dedicated Atmos speakers/soundbars – and no doubt in an effort to expand the reach of the technology ­– Dolby has created processing designed to create a ‘virtual’ Atmos experience from regular, non-Atmos-supporting hardware.

    Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization, for example, aims to simulate the overhead sound experience of Atmos through speakers at listener-level, i.e. not overhead. Like DTS:X's sibling DTS Virtual:X, it’s designed to create an immersive, 360-degree soundfield from a 5.1, 7.1 or even stereo speaker configuration.

    The technology works by applying height cue filters to overhead audio components in a mix before it is dished out to speakers in front of the listener. Dolby says these filters "simulate the natural spectral cues imparted by the human ear to sounds arriving from overhead… special care has been taken to equalise the associated filters so that the timbre of the audio remains natural anywhere in the listening environment".

    I think the first sentence ("no doubt in an effort to expand the reach of the technology") says it all. 
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,170 ✭✭✭
    redchiz said:
    Anybody know who makes the panels?
    No, but its believed to be the South Korean company LG who make some of the finest TV panels in the world. But thats at the top end. Budget wise, which this niche SKY disaster is going to be, I have no idea about LGs budget panel quality as Skys Hisense TV (Chinese make) is classed as being budget. 

    The video Roy posted reminded me a lot of Apple's advertising. They always try to make one feel that mankind couldn't get by until their products existed. 
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,999 ✭✭✭
    Visionman said:
    It sounds ****. Why? Because it is.

    Introducing a Sky eco-system into a Television in an attempt to stop churn and re-take control of their users content is just madness and niche to say the least. I'm of the opinion, and I'm not the only one, that it/this will fail.

    SKY via the internet? Via a box or an app (such as NOW TV) yes! Absolutely!  But via a telly? NO. It ain't going to wash. Flippin' heck what a bonkers idea. Its ****.
    @Visionman

    I disagree with you on this. 

    But then I thought retail YouView was going to succeed, so what do I know? 😛

    However, BT captured the market, on a mixture of content/sports provision, which people were prepared to pay for, and, very possibly, buying the box on an instalment plan, instead of what was originally nearly £300 up front. And TalkTalk captured a goodly slice on the last consideration alone

    So the masterstroke in Sky’s strategy is the zero interest 2 year or 4 year purchase plan of items over two times to nearly four times the price of a YouView box, which is positioning Sky versus the big TV manufacturers more or less exactly as BT YouView was against retail YouView.

    And we all know how that ended up.
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  • scottscott Member, Super User Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭
    Have they bought the glass name from google. How did that foray go for Google 😎
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,999 ✭✭✭
    jimb said:
    I'm quite impressed by the marketing. The one thing I find astonishing is the idea of dolby atmos from just the TV's speakers. Will people actually be fooled by this? 
    @jimb

    It looks like it’s not as slim as it could be, and at least some of this is the small speakers arrayed around its edges. So the height aspect of Atmos in these TVs could perfectly well be as good as any soundbar, or even any full 7.1 system, that uses upward firing speakers, rather than actual ceiling speakers, for Dolby Atmos.

    As regards horizontal distribution, I had a Yamaha YSP2500 soundbar, which managed at least a 240 degree soundfield, which was quite spooky when you knew objectively it was all coming from in front of you. 360 degrees was beyond it, but sound processing has moved on since then. And I notice that Sky are encouraging people to sit closer to these TVs than usual, which also helps with the soundfield.
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,999 ✭✭✭
    redchiz said:
    I watched about 5 minutes of the video presentation which basically launched a new smart TV with Sky services available directly. Is there anything I missed in the remaining 53 minutes?
    @redchiz

    Lots. It’s available on a 2 or 4 year interest-free instalment purchase basis.
    When you want to watch a movie, you see all the movies available from all the apps at once, and you just pick the one you want to watch, and it starts the relevant player and shows it to you.
    There are little boxes (pucks) you can rent to spread the content to conventional TVs you may have in other rooms.
    It has a repertoire of voice commends so extensive that you can lose the remote down the sofa cushions, and if you can’t see it glowing there (it glows) you can carry on for the rest of the evening by voice alone, and only retrieve the remote next morning.

    In the future, it will offer fitness regimes, video chat with friends and family, and you can have a football match (say) you are all watching on your various Sky Glass TVs, and still be able to see one another in little PIP windows on the screen.

    And it will walk the dog for you. (oh no, wait, I made that one up).
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,999 ✭✭✭
    scott said:
    Have they bought the glass name from google. How did that foray go for Google 😎
    It’s these people I feel sorry for…..

    https://skyglass.co.uk/
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭
    One of its six speakers is described as a "subwoofer". I wonder what the frequency response of that is.   ;)
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,999 ✭✭✭
    jimb said:
    One of its six speakers is described as a "subwoofer". I wonder what the frequency response of that is.   ;)
    Boom boom!
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,170 ✭✭✭
    edited October 8
    Roy said:
    jimb said:
    One of its six speakers is described as a "subwoofer". I wonder what the frequency response of that is.   ;)
    Boom boom!

    About 5 years ago I used the term Glass to Glass to you. I even posted a citation (what? Me? why yes, me) To which you replied WTF is Glass to Glass. Well now you know, now your all lovey dovey with Sky with hugs and kisses.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,999 ✭✭✭
    edited October 8
    Visionman said:
    Roy said:
    jimb said:
    One of its six speakers is described as a "subwoofer". I wonder what the frequency response of that is.   ;)
    Boom boom!

    About 5 years ago I used the term Glass to Glass to you. I even posted a citation (what? Me? why yes, me) To which you replied WTF is Glass to Glass. Well now you know, now your all lovey dovey with Sky with hugs and kisses.
    @Visionman

    Yes, here:-
    https://community.youview.com/youview/discussion/comment/16894083/#Comment_16894083

    But the only citations for glass to glass (lower case) there that I can see, even looking forward ten days from the posting, are the one that I gave and the one that @scott gave - nothing from you - and there is not a sniff of anything that might be the nascent Sky Glass there.

    So I am a little unsure of what your claim is here?
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  • VisionmanVisionman Member, Super User Posts: 10,170 ✭✭✭
    @Roy Your much better at using this forums search engine than I am. So's @Keith. I don't know how on earth you both do it.
    I'm now happy with the disagree icon, because its gone.
  • RoyRoy Member, Super User Posts: 16,999 ✭✭✭
    Visionman said:
    @Roy Your much better at using this forums search engine than I am. So's @Keith. I don't know how on earth you both do it.
    @Visionman

    Go to the Search the Community window at the top of the page. 

    Type ‘glass’ into it.

    In fairness, though, it’s not always quite that easy.
    ‘Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful’ Wm Morris
  • Stevef_fr8ysStevef_fr8ys Member, Super User Posts: 502 ✭✭
    Can't seem to find the answer to this, but are the free to air channels also being broadcast via the internet, or is there a Freeview tuner?
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭
    edited October 9
    Can't seem to find the answer to this, but are the free to air channels also being broadcast via the internet, or is there a Freeview tuner?
    They make a big deal of it just having one cable and a power line, so I think the free to air channels are also being delivered via the internet.

    **Correction: one cable - the power line, and wifi for the internet.
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭

  • Stevef_fr8ysStevef_fr8ys Member, Super User Posts: 502 ✭✭
    Ah, so does have Freeview if you don't want Sky later on.
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭
    Hi @Roy, sorry I have just seen your detailed reply from before, thank you. Does it record?
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭
  • redchizredchiz Member, Super User Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭
    Ah, so does have Freeview if you don't want Sky later on.
    No need to thank me for that information. 🙂
  • jimbjimb Member, Super User Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭
    redchiz said:

    Good to have some solid information rather than rumours and beliefs  :D:p
  • kodikidkodikid Member Posts: 741 ✭✭
    Jimb
    If that's a dig at Visionman and I then king of the hindsight we were only repeating what was rumoured at the time.


    Ignore this if you disagree. 
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