Com 7 switchoff
With the upcoming COM7 switchoff is there a need to do a manual retune on any of the Youview box models or will the process be automatic and the channels that are ceasing and those that are changing to a different existing Freeview multiplex or changing LCN (channel number) seamlessly be reflected in the EPG.
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Good question, on everyone's mind at the moment (well anyone that's aware/interested). I would assume that the boxes automatically update over night, but I will be checking each Youview PVR, plus also all of our Freeview equipment, including TV tuners to see what they do/may do a manual tune.
Don't forget that the TV's may not update automatically depending on how up to date they are, or when replugged in start updating channels.
Some TV's will have to be manually retuned. I know our Samsung 4k TV updates during the day as it's unplugged overnight. It's going to be an interesting week on the forum! . . . "I have a Youview that can't get channels". John L
I have found that while the YouView box is better than our Samsung TV was at following channel changes, it’s not perfect.
Some channels get replaced just fine, some get the replacement channel slotted in OK, but the channel that was on that LCN goes and lives above 790, and doesn’t disappear until you retune.
And I have seen the odd one that even YouView couldn’t cope with.
We are enjoined to retune both on the 29th and on the 30th, and I will be including our YouView boxes in that process, along with all the TVs in the house, as usual.
Its not like it’s hard to do, as long as you take care not to interrupt any recording schedule you may have going, though rather disappointingly, Freeview have not suggested a suitable time of day for the retune:-
https://www.freeview.co.uk/help/service-updates/channel-changes-closures-freeview-june-2022
We get our TV from Rowridge, but don’t currently get BBC4 HD. I will be interested to see if it appears for us in the relevant retune, as it will be increasing its power. It’s not hard for us to switch to Freesat to watch it in HD if we are so inclined, but it would be nice to be able to record it.
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Think this is a step back for Freeview with the the lose of yet more HD versions of channels.
Can you have a quick peek above 733 on your YouView EPG and see if there is anything there?
I will do a manual retune if they are still out of position after the upcoming Freeview channel changes. I think that they will be.
I been staying at hers over the weekend will she's been away and also watching her doggies. She stays just over 3 miles south from me and gets her TV signal from Craigkelly transmitter.
I also get my TV signal from Craigkelly. Just over 12 miles east from me but depending on where in town you stay, some TV aerials point towards Blackhill 27 miles west from me.
So your EPG hasn’t got anything at 26 or 30, nor wherever the GREAT! channels should live? Or are there the correct programmes there, or ‘wrong’ programmes there?
Or does the EPG say one thing, but when you select the channel it is something else?
Normally, the 790 and upward channels are placeholders for channels undergoing reassignment, though I did have a legitimate other-region ITV at 800 where we used to live.
And in Spain, all the tuned channels on our T1000 were stored at 800 upwards, the YouView box vaguely recognising their otherness.
I have no idea why there are only five channels out of place; it may even go back to changes before the latest 60 were asked to budge up.
Or maybe @Stephen has an algorithm to share with us? 💻
Either way, I would be inclined to do a retune now, see if everything sorts itself out as it should, and then the consequences of not doing a manual retune tomorrow and Thursday will be rather clearer.
Finally, on the p-theme, and for @Darren:-
https://www.countryliving.com/uk/wildlife/pets/a38168930/dog-tv-launches-uk/
We don’t, alas, get DogTV on YouView, but if we did, I’m sure it would be Peke viewing time 😛
Great, that all exactly bears out my observation that while YouView boxes are very good at following channel changes (as yours got 55 right), they aren’t perfect (as yours got 5 wrong).
It will be good to see where yours ends up after tomorrow and Thursday.
(YouView boxes are better than we are at knowing what day it is 😛)
Not good that Freeview has lost more HD channels yet again.
Freeview are totally unfair with regards anyone not good with technology. Just glad I have option of using other tvs around home. I wonder what is next happening on the Freeview horizon? I know they want to broadcast via internet. Hopefully Freesat will add more channels to their line up. John L
I didn’t look to see what, if anything, was anomalous first, but both came back with a 794 channel requesting a retune. The LG put 794 between 699 and 700, I think because it differentiates TV programmes from radio programmes, though the YouView box put it after 733, the highest radio programme, so in sequence.
Both devices have now gained 106 BBC Four HD, which we have never had here before, as our TV provider, who relays Rowridge to our estate, could not pull it in for us.
A powerful force (SWMBO watching Wimbledon) has prevented a second retune.
[Edit: The powerful force having moved into the room with the Samsung TV, I retuned YouView and the TV, and 794 CBS Drama is still ‘there’, on both, as a message saying it is now RealityXtra, so some glitch at Freeview, no doubt. Possibly because I can’t get RealityXtra, which it did warn might be the case.
I also had a message on the YouView box from BT to say that no retune would be necessary either day. But I’m with Louise on this one.
On my Samsung TV, I have three anomalous channels, 790 Together TV, 800 BBC Four HD, and 801 CBeebies HD. These last two are services we never had before, as above. No idea about 790. Another new channel, waiting to move into place?]
I will report the results of retuning when the powerful force, who has now moved into the room with this TV, moves out of it again.
[Edit 2: The Samsung, retuned, now matches the other TVS; just the anomalous 794]
P.S. hope you are able to regain control when the powerful force has left the room!
I will also sort of miss QVC HD as well as Quest HD.
You can really tell the difference in picture quality when watching QVC SD than the old QVC HD that's now gone from Freeview.
Quest SD picture quality is ok but not the same when you have gotten used to watch it in HD.
Your aged parent (©️ Charles Dickens) is in the vast majority. The biggest single obstacle to the takeup of HD TV is the BBC Regional News being in SD, so people can’t just put 101 on and stay with it all day. Even just showing London regional news in HD would be preferable to those half-hours of static display with a weird cacophony of sound behind them, but no, they can’t even do that.
The second largest issue is that HD is on 101 upwards. You may recall that LCNs 1-24 are so prized that when the BBC want another channel, BBC 3 or the like, everybody has to budge up to make room for it, and one poor channel gets booted out. But you then have to go through three times as many LCNs as that before you get to what should be the crown jewels of Freeview, the HD channels. It does not make a lick of sense.
Why aren’t Freeview pushing for a setup where if you put any SD channel on, and the programme you are watching is available in HD, it seamlessly shows you that instead?
Come to that, why don’t YouView do this? They aren’t bound by the Freeview rules, and they have the technology to detect when programmes are or aren’t on HD as well as SD.
People know in their hearts that HD is better, but as you say, Freeview are totally unfair with regards to anybody not good with technology, so they can’t get their heads beyond the point where SD is easier.
If YouView did this, it would give them a new and unbeatable USP, and maybe a new lease of life. And I’m pretty sure this is something @Stephen could knock up at least a demo of in his den over a weekend 😛
What I envisage is users still click ‘1’, but the service provides ‘101’ where that is available. But you are saying this has already been tried twice?
So:-
Done twice by whom?
Do you know why they failed?
Television is moving more and more to being Internet based.
Just purchased a qled set for the spare room, this room has no tv aerial, all the input comes from my stream bar.
As for watching the terrestrial offerings
( itself a increasingly rare experience)
They're all available on iPlayer all4 etc.
OK I cannot watch the local news on the beeb but I'll live.
I can even indulge in BBC 4 and news in HD something that's no longer possible on terrestrial.
Watching via normal TV is slowly decreasing but I would say normal TV will still be around for at lest the next 10 or 12 years.
If you mean what I think you mean, then:-
BBC iPlayer/Settings/Settings & Help/Other Settings/Change Location
BBC NEWS HD, yes, but as for BBC Four HD, this has just appeared on 106 for the first time since we moved here, albeit it’s just a placeholder at the moment.
OFCOM are merely an extension of the Government and they sold off Freeview's spectrum because they wanted the cash, which at the time was worth a small fortune. Its the internet where it will all end up.