Connecting a YouView box to Wifi?

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can i connect a YouView box to my wifi directly? or can i connect it to my PC which is wifi enabled?
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currently no youview box surports wifi, but some people have had success with aftermarket ones which id advise you to fully check on before trying
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The TP Link TL-WR702N 150Mbps Wireless N Nano Router is reported to work with the YouView box.
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Yes I can confirm that it really does work, with a TalkTalk YouView box.
I managed to set it up in Client mode by plugging it into my Chromebox (running Chrome OS ) and then navigating through the browser based set-up utility.

The Quick Installation instructions which came in the box (May 2015) were thankfully in English (not Chinese), but in an illegibly small font, and didn't even cover setup in Client mode. They were also aimed at helping Windows/MAC users rather than fans of Chrome OS.

I thought it prudent to track down the full English TP-Link user manual online and downloaded it before starting.  Most of that proved to be an unnecessary distraction. Having powered up the TP-Link from one of my Chromebox's USB ports I searched Wi-fi settings for new networks, and chose the TP-Link one. Dialog boxes start appearing and I basically punched in the default passwords 'admin/admin' to get going. Once the Setup utility appeared in my Chrome browser it was a matter of entering the relevant hardware information for my TalkTalk router and rebooting.

I then unplugged the TP-Link, took it downstairs, plugged it into the YouView's USB port, and joined the two with a LAN cable. On powering up YouView, the TP-Link's green light started glowing steadily. With fingers crossed I selected an 3-day old programme from an obscure channel on the Freeview Guide, and lo and behold within a few seconds i was watching rubbish catch up TV!

I can't comment on how easy it is to set it up the TP-Link in other guises (eg. as an Access Point or a range extender), but if you're reading this then you'll probably be looking for the Client solution.  Anyway it's a brilliant little piece of kit and has worked where the conventional Ethernet/Homeplugs connection was simply not available to me. 
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Good report, Julian!

But for completeness, you also need to make sure you can watch one of the TalkTalk Boost channels when using the wifi link, i.e. that multicast is configured and working.

On a BT box, what you describe above would work, but the BT TV-provided channels wouldn't, even if the router was correctly configured for multicast, as BT Home Hubs decline to put this out over wifi.

But TalkTalk, reportedly, are less restrictive; and you now have the opportunity to establish this for us.
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May not be able to help much there, Roy, I don't currently subscribe to any boost packages.
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OK - the jury stays out then, on getting the full Monty :-(

Thanks for how far you took this, though.
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Apple airport express works a treat. Simply connect his to wifi and then use an Ethernet cable from this to the youview box.
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Nope. I think I'll call it a day and settle for Powerline. Keith, thanks so much for your advice - I understand a lot more thanks to your posts, and I'm sure others will also find them helpful. Cheers!
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I found this all very interesting Keith. Aisha, I appreciate you're a bit fed up by now, but reading through the Amazon reviews, a couple of people have said that the TP-Link helpline is very good.
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Thanks for the suggestion, Cicero, but I don't think it's worth it. I'm not fed up, just being realistic. If I understood what I was doing, I'd keep trying, but as it is I think there's more chance of my destroying my currently working network setup, than of my getting the TP-Link to work. :-)

Not fed up at all, it's been very interesting. I'm going to buy the Samsung dongle and see if that works with my network.
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I know what you mean aisha, I'm always worried that by tinkering I'll mess up my existing setup. Good luck with the Samsung dongle.
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Update - I did buy the Samsung dongle and initially thought it didn't work but after another try and some tinkering I got it to work and now it's fine -- or it was fine up until BT destroyed my broadband.
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There are several other topics that include info about connecting the YouView box via wifi:

http://community.youview.com/youview/...
http://community.youview.com/youview/...
http://community.youview.com/youview/...
http://community.youview.com/youview/...
http://community.youview.com/youview/...

From these the main suggestions that people have confirmed as working are

- TP Link TL-WR702N 150Mbps Wireless N Nano Router
- Apple Airport Express
- Netgear Universal Wifi Internet Adapter
- Netgear WGPS606

Partly out of curiosity I tried the TP Link TL-WR702N (powered from the YouView box USB port) recently and so far it has been fine (although I'm not a particularly heavy on-demand user).
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First rule of spamming - you need to provide your contact details. :-)
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And have enough tokens to pay your way at the troll booth :-)
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Ah, yes, you're probably right. One of them rather than one of t'other. :-)
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OK, so I've followed the instructions to put my WR702N in client mode and set the IP address. In the network connections on the Youview box settings it says I am connected to a network, BUT, I am unable to see any OD channels, netflix or anything internet based.
Now I haven't had to enter my SSID anywhere to permit my WR702N to communicate with my TalkTalk router, so I don't see how it can connect to my wireless network, unless of course it is able to access through my laptop, which I would presume then have to be connected via ethernet cable to my router, since I can't connect wirelessly to two networks simultaneously.
Can anyone please explain to me in really simple terms how, if it is at all possible, to connect my WR702N wirelessly to my router so that OD and internet channels can be accessed?
Please accept my thanks and gratitude in advance
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I have no practical experience of this, but from the manual:-

http://www.tp-link.com/resources/docu...

I'd figure you want to connect the WR702N to the YouView box, ethernet and power over USB, but then use a laptop to start the Quick Installation Mode 3.2 on page 11, and then select Client Mode when you get to the screen 3.5, Working Mode, and then work through 3.2.5, where you definitely get the option (and requirement!) to set the TalkTalk router SSID and other parameters. Be sure to carry out all of steps 1-3 under 3.2.5, including the reboot.

After this, hopefully, the YouView box will 'see through' the WR702N to the TalkTalk router, and you will get the On Demand.

The Internet channels are multicast; I'm hoping that the WR702N will handle multicast without further configuration, and that the TalkTalk router will do multicast over wifi (the BT Home Hub certainly won't, but I believe somebody said their TalkTalk router was OK with this).

But first things first, and if you can at least get, say, the BBC iPlayer, we can go from there if the TalkTalk added IP channels still won't behave.

Do let us know how you get on and, if it now works, then AAMOI, what step(s) you omitted originally.

This will help advise the next would-be WR702N user who hits problems.
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I have my humax youview box connected to a sonos box which is wirelessly connected to a sonos bridge. This sonos bridge is then connected directly to the router. This arrangement works fine for me.
Appreciate this is not your original question, but thought I'd offer this in case it helps someone.
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Hi aisha, I've just had a look at the Sonos website and here for what it's worth are a few thoughts.
Very expensive.
Design looks very good - using a low-level crossover and individual amps for each drive unit is the best way to go.
BUT...
Using a single box for stereo signals is basically not the way to go.
The sound quality may be very good but you're completely losing the stereo information.
This is the exact opposite of what surround sound is about.
You've just acquired a YouView box which (when all bugs are sorted) gives you the capability of Dolby 5.1. As time progresses more and more of the programme sources on YouView will offer surround sound.
Many people are put off surround sound because of the physical clutter - extra boxes and wires. If you've not heard a demo of surround lately I'd urge you to do so, most people are blown away by it. It might be a hassle but it's worth it.
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gwatuk, you're right, it's the clutter that puts me off, and I absolutely don't want to hear a demo because then I would want it, and I just haven't got the room! I've had Dolby 5.1 for some time with other devices, but made a decision not to go down that route.

I take your point about losing stereo with the Play 5 though. But if it includes 5 separate speakers within that single box, in a small room such as my living room doesn't that carry all the information, just not broadcasting it over such a wide distance? As you can see, I'm not very knowledgeable about this.
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The left and right speakers have to be physically separated for stereo to work.
If you don't want to go down the surround sound road, adding just separate stereo speakers to your setup is IMHO well worth the effort.
Even with a really big TV the speakers are not far enough apart for you to really appreciate how much is gained by listening in stereo. (And the Sonos is even narrower than the average TV)
This is true for all drama and movie soundtracks. It's also true for all music sources and you would obviously be using the Sonos for this. Just listen to any music on headphones and you'll realise how much effort has been put into the stereo element of the recordings.
Maybe Sonos is the right answer for you, but I'd suggest buying from a company with a no-quibble returns policy (e.g. Amazon) in case you're disappointed! :-)
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Thanks gwatuk. What you say makes a lot of sense. You're right, my present setup doesn't sound anywhere near as good as with headphones and no doubt that's because the speakers (small bookshelf speakers positioned either side of the mini-size amp) are too close together. But space really is in short supply. I guess that's really the problem. :-(
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By the way I meant to add - if you do get the Sonos post your reactions to it, I'd be curious to know how good it is, maybe others too. At that price it should be very good, and well capable of annoying the neighbours.
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Hi

I have modified an old Netgear router which sits behind my tv with the youview box plugged into it and communicates wirelessly with my main router in the kitchen.

Works a treat and little cost.

Steve
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Steve, I spent some time today thinking about that possibility, but the instruction that I found said the secondary router needed to be plugged into a port on the primary router. Can I ask how you modified the router?
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Hi Aisha

Basically it's just some settings in the setup of the router. My router behind my tv has 4 ports on it and it links wirelessly to my main router in the kitchen.

Only certain routers have the capability . I think it's called a wireless repeater.

Steve
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Thanks Steve.
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For the record I have Virgin Media cable broadband using a Netgear wgr614v9 as my main router and I have used a Netgear dg834g as the router my youview box is plugged into. The two routers are connected wirelessly.

Steve
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I've got the TP-Link router mentioned above and I've not been able to get it to work with my Youview box. It's connected to my BT router Ok but the Youview box is stubbornly refusing to connect to the internet.

This is frustrating because when I first got the Youview box, the supplied powerline adapters worked fine. When they stopped working (I have no idea why, nothing changed) I looked for an alternative. I've seen a few posts from people who have been able to get the TP-Link router to work, and I've followed the instructions to the letter.

I'm beginning to think there may be a more basic problem with the networking on my Youview box.

My final option is to get an old-fashioned 10m ethernet cable and connect the youview box to my BT router to see if this fixes it. However this isn't a solution as I would have to run the cable across my living room!!!!

Will let you know how I get on. :(
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Which ISP are you with?
Do you get internet channels if you connect directly to the router?
What are the error messages?
Have you seen http://tinyurl.com/plbjrod ?
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Hi Managed to fix this with a call to tp link support and they sent me a file to update the tp link router firmware. Connected after that, although the you view box still struggles with the on demand.
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Thanks for that. Maybe this will solve the problem for me also. Don't suppose they gave you a download link?

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These are the instructions I was given, I would still give them an email 1st though in case this is the wrong version for you or whatever.
"Please refer to the link here to download the latest firmware version: http://www.tp-link.com/en/support/dow...
Please download this one TL-WR702N_V1_131211_beta and extract it.
Then please connect your computer back to the TL-WR702N via Ethernet cable and refer to the link here to update: http://www.tp-link.com/en/article/?fa...
Then please reconfigure it as a client and see what happens"

Good luck
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Thanks muchly. I'll make sure it's correct for my unit before I do the deed.

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Hi Dan,

I've had a YouView box that was working fine with powerline adaptors and then stopped connecting, as have many others. Unfortunately it was the box that was defective, and this is far more likely than that it's the powerline adaptors. The good news is that Humax did swap mine when I convinced them that it wouldn't connect. For that purpose alone I did temporarily connect with e cable just to eliminate the possibility that it was the adaptors.
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Dan

If you have a laptop, set the powerline adapters back up, turn off the wifi on the laptop, plug it via Ethernet into the remote adaptor, and see if you can see the Internet.

If so, then try the YV box on the same connection, if it still won't connect, you know it's bricked, to use the technical term.
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I can't understand why you can't see why PLT is not a good idea. Seriously tell me why you think it is a good idea. They use the very same RF spectrum copper delivered broadband uses and as the speed has increased over the years due to low noise routers the signal radiated from PLT cancels out this advantage. I have worked in the telecoms industry all my life and have witnessed the havoc these things cause. There are serious security issues as well. Please don't use them run a proper cable connection.
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They are no less secure than Wifi and I am sure you know, as you say you have worked in the telecoms industry, that a direct cable is not always possible, leaving PowerLine Adapters as the only choice. I use them and I have noticed no difference to my broadband speed or anything else.
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I'm using an Edimax wireless bridge, info here http://g.ua/Wtbq

Only £21.51 from hd-direct.co.uk
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I have had a lot of success and been very impressed with a "YouView SKY Wireless connecter" (for example listing 330847568617 on Ebay costing £15.99 including postage). Similar to the above idea, so easy to use - once set up on a PC you just plug it into the Youview box using the supplied network cable and USB cable (so it is powered directly via the USB port on the Youview box). It is very neat and only uses 1.5 watts (or zero Watts when in High Eco standby). I had to cover up the LEDs in my bedroom though!

Everything has worked just as well as when using a wired connection directly to my router.

I'm planning to buy one for an Xbox too. It has many other uses - for example when travelling to convert wired internet to wireless.
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only came on to have a look to c how i can connect my you view box to the internet i am more confusedt han ever and beginning to think ill never get to watch catch up or on demand. is there any easy help out there. help
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(1) Ethernet cable from YouView box to router.
Simplest and most reliable, but needs the router to be near the YouView box, or at least somewhere where you can route the cable unobtrusively.

(2) Powerline adaptors. One connects via a short Ethernet cable to your router, the other ditto to your YouView box, and the signal travels over the mains between them.

Needs both power sockets used to be on the same ring mains, but this is usually the case. Adaptors must go directly into the socket, not via a multiway mains adaptor (though some report this can work OK) but definitely not into a surge suppressing/mains cleaning adaptor, which will 'clean' off the YouView signal.

BT say Powerline adaptors won't work with their new Extra channels, and won't give help if you use PAs with these, but several people have reported they do work OK on these, and you can get help here.

(3) Wifi adaptor plugged into the YouView box via Ethernet (signal) and USB (power).

Needs some configuration, but instructions are supplied, help is available here, and unless you have changed your router/IP addresses to be seriously non-standard, you should not get the difficulties that Aisha (aka PPP QQQ) got tied up in knots with.
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Like many others have said I am using the TP Link TL-WR702N 150Mbps Wireless N Nano Router, I managed to get it to connect to my wireless and the youview is connecting to the internet but the internet channels aren't available. Any ideas? Will the internet channels only work on a wired connections? 
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I am having this same problem I have bought the TP-Link TL WA850RE N300 Universal Wireless N Range Extender as suggested above I get the on demand fine but can't get the internet channels did u find a solution ?
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The BT or TT Extra channels (multicast) do not work well, or indeed not at all, over wifi for technical reasons. Even PLAs are frowned on by BT for such channels, and not supported by them, though reports show they do work.

I would imagine you get the BBC iPlayer, and other broadcaster players, OK over wifi?

If so, I fear there is nothing you can fix, and you might want to look at using PLAs instead, rather than running an ethernet cable round the room, or up the stairs, or wherever.

But if you really, really, want to use wifi, then you could perhaps use a pair of wifi dongles that have multicast support in their specifications, one on the YouView box and one on an Ethernet port on the BT Home Hub. You need to fool the Home Hub that you are using a wired connection, since it does not make multicast available over its own wifi.

But this is a somewhat technical solution, possibly not for the faint-hearted, and if it doesn't work, you are on your own, at least as far as BT are concerned, though you might find some help in the BT forum with this.
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I am using a Vonets VAP11G WiFi Bridge IEEE 802.11b/g available from various sources for about £14, set it up on my pc first then plugged it into the youview box, picked the power up from the box via the usb, had it 2 weeks now and no failures at all, 4od,itv player etc all work fine
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Hi I am getting a talktalk tv box today for my living room but my router is out in the hall what do I need to do to get these working with eachother to receive on demand services? Thanks
Hi just passing by I got a edimax 5 port wifi bridge. I work in data communication so when I get around to it I will run cat 6 to it as I am hardwiring the house gradually but I noticed my edimax worked with my laptop but not my YV but as I gathered it was the settings on the YV messing it up so flidding around with it I got it to work. My edimax is default gateway is 192.168.9.2.

So the YV kept using these settings but using my knowledge when setting these boxes up to bypass the shed loads of problems you set them up as your skipping/bypassing the bridge and fool it into thinking it's connecting directly to the router. Abit like beating a computer at chess or mine game which is incredibly difficult but bare with me I will post pictures of my setup and a guild! It will work!
Originally it kept it auto but it doesn't work out with a wifi bridge. So set it to manual mine had the wifi bridge IP 192.168.9.100 gateway and DNS. So I changed it to bypass the wifi bridge as if it wasn't there meaning shadowing it out with the YV settings I set the IP to 192.168.2.100 the subnet stays the same which is 255.255.255.0

Now this is where it gets confusing make the default gateway the same as the main router which mine is 192.168.2.1 but originally the YV box was automatically assigning it as 192.168.9.2 which is the wifi bridge but you want it to bypass the bridge and act like it's connected to the main router so basically out smarting the box after it was never meant for wifi connection. The primary DNS is the same as the default gateway meaning mine was 192.168.2.1. An bobs your uncle make sure you set the wifi bridge and router up first to communicate to eachother I used my laptop for the edimax to connect via the router then I set the settings in the YV box! Pictures are present for extra help, I won't be able to help with setting your wifi bridge but if you do that correctly and that works then if you setup the box correctly I'm 100% sure it'll work trust me!
My 5 port edimax wifi bridge. Works brilliantly didn't even cost 15.00 with free delivery plus got a patch lead with it you can use the USB or power line adapter which is supplied worth the buck! Got it of amazon and it will work. You will have to set it up on it's configuring address but you get the paper work with once it's connected plug into YV via Ethernet cable then change the YV box settings to your main router setting for the default gateway and primary DNS. The subnet always stays the same but the IP address for the device will be the same as the main router but the last digits after the last decimal will have to be it's own meaning my YV box IP is 192.168.2.100 an my router IP is 192.168.2.1 so they don't clash. But will talk without finding a hiccup by using the bridges setting and having the bridge transfer the settings into communicating with the router settings and that's the interference that's where the YV doesn't want to work or communicate with the router but then claim it's connected to the internet but instead only identifying the bridge and not the router whilst not communicating.
Well now they've put the sky channels on the guide so what would that be? And I'm with yeah but I only know so far to be totally honest Roy because it is out of my field lol I don't do setting up boxes or routers the closest I get to that side is terminating a panel and using a patching schudule to patch from panel to switch. I just hoped I helped.
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Sky on the TalkTalk guide is indeed multicast.

But if I understand your setup correctly, the bridge then talks to the router via wifi?

This would imply that TalkTalk, unlike BT, do put multicast out over wifi, if I have this correct, and you are using the TalkTalk supplied router.

But as BT don't do this on their supplied router, the jury is still out on whether this solution will cover multicast use with that.
No i stopped using the talk talk router it is crap same goes for even the YV box they're given out for free because they are cheap and crap. I previously brought a Belkin router for a £100 I've put that back on and all my problems are sorted half of the time the talk talk crap doesn't want to talk to other stuff like a wifi bridge etc abit like them power line they supplied they last 5mins then pack up. So I have TT YV box to Edimax Wifi bridge which talks to my Belkin router my internet is a lot faster too. Them talk talk routers are crap they're bin jobs same as everything else they supply and that's where they've gone.
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I assume that would be a "technicolor TG582n", as supplied by most ISPs, including Plusnet and Primus (NewCall).  Yes, I found them to be rubbish too, and now have two of them languishing somewhere.  I bought a Netgear A300 which seems to work much better, including much extended wifi range, which was the intention.
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TalkTalk mostly supply Huawei routers, which aren't generally all that, although I agree that this is on a par with most ISP provided kit. Tweaking the out-of-the box wireless settings generally improves things in my experience.
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We seem to have established from this and other related posts that: you can have a wireless connection from a YouView box via an ethernet connected client device to a TalkTalk router; you can do likewise with other makes of router; you cannot do this with the BT Home Hub, this appears to be the only router deliberately locked down to prevent wireless broadcast of multicast.
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A specialist application of that nature would require the custom "SO" version, but I believe that they are quite expensive. A similar but more cost effective result could be achieved by using two or more of the basic version, connected orthogonally.
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Funnily enough, I have heard the effects of an inadequate power supply; I used to have a Rogers Cadet MkIII as the amp in my hifi system. And it got so that, as I told the repairer I took it to, 'When the music gets loud, it seems subjectively like a car struggling to get up a hill'

The repairer diagnosed a faulty main capacitor in the power supply, replace it, and all was well again. So from the power point of view, what I thought it was sounding like was exactly what was happening.

But that was a fault, and in a budget amp at that. Devices like the one you linked to I regard as an affront to everybody who designs the power supplies for high end hifi devices :-)
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I use my Rogers speakers every day. The Rogers Cadet V amp is available, and rather lovely it is too. I don't think that it is a budget model though.

http://www.rogershifi.com/ENG/spec-Cadet_V.php .
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The Cadet III cost me about £30 in 1966, IIRC

About equivalent to £220 today, which is still what a budget hifi amp would cost, roughly.

And by a strange coincidence.....

http://www.gumtree.com/p/amplifiers/r...
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It looks like they are now made in China and marketed in some countries as "British Hi-Fidelity"!
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@JOM


Since you have expertise and experience in this are, could you kindly look at

https://community.youview.com/youview...

and tell me if you think it might have worked?